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[The Mask]

Yes, please start a new thread on that subject.

In the meantime, I will see if I can consolidate some of these other threads.

[lucy]

Some of the new folks start threads and have not seen some of the threads which have upwards of 70 + pages. It's hard to sift through all of the posts on threads that big....when you are new to the forum.

As long as the comments is not a gossip column, but shedding light on the behavior of celebrities on and off screen.

[artemis]

Hmmm...
icydk.com/2010/08/25/lady-gaga-poses-as-her-alter-ego-jo-calderone/

[The Mask]

Aug 23, 2010 18:57:29 GMT -5 feliciag said:

Last post today, I promise!

About Jennifer Connelly. I can say with 100% certainty that the "Fennifer" we see today is not the Jennifer I worked with on a John Hughes film called Career Opportunities. I didn't get to act with her much, but I did see her film several scenes. At that time I only knew her from Labyrinth, and I knew she had been a model.

Back then she had a more - elfin - quality than Fennifer has ever had. Hard to describe. But definitely there was an overall look to her features, especially since she was about 19 or so when she filmed this and she was young, of a slightly off kilter elfin quality. All the features were "perfect," but the symmetry made you think "supernatural, beautiful creature" instead of plasticized girl.

One thing I was shocked by at the time was that a lot of the crew and production team, including the assistant director, were making really dismissive and nasty comments about her. I remember them arrogantly asserting that if this film didn't work commercially, if it wasn't a success, then "it would be over for her." Or they might have said "It's all over for her."

I was really struck by the implied violence of that statement. And these people were drop dead serious as they said this. I heard this said by two crew members and also by the assistant director at separate points in several days worth of filming as they were standing around before and after scenes were filmed. At the time I just dismissed it as the cruelties of show business and how you only get one shot sometimes at a big breakthrough role. But since learning about how many replacements are happening, this statement keeps haunting me as I consider its implications.

The film didn't do well at the box office at all, and you didn't hear from Jennifer again until she did The Rocketeers which did okay commercially. And she did a movie where she was topless and was suddenly in the limelight again. I think at this point it was all Fennifer, though. It's like the original quiet, shy, and pretty girl I observed is gone and this version is more womanly (bigger in her frame and curvier than Jennifer was. The Jennifer I saw was tallish and skinny all over. No extra flesh anywhere! More of a classic waif thin model physique. )

One thing that they did seem to get right with Fennifer is the eyebrows. The seem pretty close to the original's eyebrows. I'm amazed at how they can get the really bushy eyebrow look on a woman who doesn't have thick eyebrows, but they can do it. The most dramatic illustration of eyebrow transplants is the new Megan Fox- Fegan. You'll see in some early photos of Megan that at one point she had extremely thin, over-plucked eyebrows. Once you've damaged the eyebrow line to that extent it doesn't grow back out into a full bushy line again. The Fegan has perfect, thick brows, and they look so perfect you can tell the hair is a transplant. (Yes, they DO eyebrow transplants. Kind of a common procedure if a woman has overplucked and doesn't have a good eyebrow line anymore.)

Felicia, based on your experiences, what do you think happened to the original Jennifer Connelly?

In general, what do you think happens to the originals that are replaced? Almost everybody here seems to think they are killed but I think it's more complex than that. I see many of them living a life in seculsion with a different identity. Any ideas?

[feliciag]

Aug 26, 2010 17:49:44 GMT -5 The Mask said:

Aug 23, 2010 18:57:29 GMT -5 feliciag said:

Last post today, I promise!

About Jennifer Connelly. I can say with 100% certainty that the "Fennifer" we see today is not the Jennifer I worked with on a John Hughes film called Career Opportunities. I didn't get to act with her much, but I did see her film several scenes. At that time I only knew her from Labyrinth, and I knew she had been a model.

Back then she had a more - elfin - quality than Fennifer has ever had. Hard to describe. But definitely there was an overall look to her features, especially since she was about 19 or so when she filmed this and she was young, of a slightly off kilter elfin quality. All the features were "perfect," but the symmetry made you think "supernatural, beautiful creature" instead of plasticized girl.

One thing I was shocked by at the time was that a lot of the crew and production team, including the assistant director, were making really dismissive and nasty comments about her. I remember them arrogantly asserting that if this film didn't work commercially, if it wasn't a success, then "it would be over for her." Or they might have said "It's all over for her."

I was really struck by the implied violence of that statement. And these people were drop dead serious as they said this. I heard this said by two crew members and also by the assistant director at separate points in several days worth of filming as they were standing around before and after scenes were filmed. At the time I just dismissed it as the cruelties of show business and how you only get one shot sometimes at a big breakthrough role. But since learning about how many replacements are happening, this statement keeps haunting me as I consider its implications.

The film didn't do well at the box office at all, and you didn't hear from Jennifer again until she did The Rocketeers which did okay commercially. And she did a movie where she was topless and was suddenly in the limelight again. I think at this point it was all Fennifer, though. It's like the original quiet, shy, and pretty girl I observed is gone and this version is more womanly (bigger in her frame and curvier than Jennifer was. The Jennifer I saw was tallish and skinny all over. No extra flesh anywhere! More of a classic waif thin model physique. )

One thing that they did seem to get right with Fennifer is the eyebrows. The seem pretty close to the original's eyebrows. I'm amazed at how they can get the really bushy eyebrow look on a woman who doesn't have thick eyebrows, but they can do it. The most dramatic illustration of eyebrow transplants is the new Megan Fox- Fegan. You'll see in some early photos of Megan that at one point she had extremely thin, over-plucked eyebrows. Once you've damaged the eyebrow line to that extent it doesn't grow back out into a full bushy line again. The Fegan has perfect, thick brows, and they look so perfect you can tell the hair is a transplant. (Yes, they DO eyebrow transplants. Kind of a common procedure if a woman has overplucked and doesn't have a good eyebrow line anymore.)

Felicia, based on your experiences, what do you think happened to the original Jennifer Connelly?

In general, what do you think happens to the originals that are replaced? Almost everybody here seems to think they are killed but I think it's more complex than that. I see many of them living a life in seculsion with a different identity. Any ideas?

Hi Mask - (*pause for a big sigh*)

I think it's extremely complex and that it gets into a lot of esoteric territory. Like, allowing something else to come into your body and possess you physically, emotionally, and sexually.. Deal with the devil stuff. And I'm not really talking about Lucifer as a Biblical entity, because, who knows, it sounds like he was the same as the entity Marduk from the ancient Sumerian texts, who in turn sounds exactly like the bloodthirsty Jehovah/Yahweh who is the founding father of the Judeo/Christian faiths.

But I've been presented with this "deal" a lot of times. As an actress and as an author. Turned it down every time after sensing the horrible energy of what it would entail - literally having your entire being and free will consumed by something awful.

I know, very science fiction. I don't want to get into too much high weirdness here - although I know you folks can handle it!

I want to start my "Close Encounters with Celebrities" thread which I hope will explain what I've seen in more detail. A lot of actors and actresses I know took the deal, I'm afraid. It didn't work out well for any of them. None of them became famous or powerful enough to end up being replaced, fortunately, I guess? But most of them ended up working as prostitutes, riddled with drug and alchohol addiction, and worse, even at the very lowest echelons of the entertainment industry.

There are a lot of layers and I don't think the players necessarily know what is going on, themselves. I will post more, promise!

[feliciag]

Re: Jennifer Connelly in particular - all I can say about her is that, given what I've experienced and seen within the industry, it's likely at some point that she was "required' to do a certain amount of prostitution to powerful industry people and maybe objected to that? Usually after you agree to do that you end up getting much more powerful roles, and you can, if you're very lucky, end up fast tracked to an Oscar, etc.

All I know is that the Jennifer Connelly who won an Oscar is not the original. Which is sad. I think the original was very nice and talented!

On a more esoteric level, there are other things going on related to soul loss and spiritual/emotional damage, which are usually brought on by someone agreeing to become a prostitute/gay escort (depending on one's sex), and then that usually ends up creating alcoholism and drug use in the person because they are trying to make their situation feel okay when it most definitely ISN'T okay....and somewhere along the line dark energies come in. Or the person finally wakes up, protests, and then they are killed off and replaced. Lots of nastiness unfortunately.

[The Mask]

^How about AFTER they are replaced?

[feliciag]

Aug 26, 2010 20:23:52 GMT -5 The Mask said:

^How about AFTER they are replaced?

I don't know. I don't have any firsthand or anecdotal information about what really is going on post-replacement, unfortunately. So I do think it's complex most likely. I definitely don't think it's as simple as one of the Paul McCartney/Faul scenarios floating around, with the original horribly disfigured and disabled after a car accident, and Faul coming in to preserve the brand. (Some say he was disabled and lived in seclusion afterwards; some say he was killed.) But it's possilbe that that situation spawned the replacement thing becoming more pervasive and "in your face" since they were able to effectively repress most of the "Paul is Dead" rumors and pass of Faul pretty well with the masses. Maybe that encouraged the new, much more common and frequent, scenarios of replacement? Because that one was so successful. (Not that it was the first. As you and others pointed out, folks like Frank Sinatra, Elvis, Doris Day, etc. predated the era of the Faul/Paul replacement. I just think post-Faul that the program went a lot "wider" and broader, became more frequent.)

What happens to the originals - I wish I knew!

[artemis]

"What happens to the originals - I wish I knew!" The same questions Im asking myself and others since my 1st day on this forum

On another note, the real SANDRA BULLOCK. Well, more for profile comparisons...

www.toofab.com/2010/08/26/sandra-bullock-betty-white-brad-pitt-jay-leno-matt-lauer-will-smith-yearbook-photos/

[msmoonlite]

It is my guess that after the replacements are made the originals are scavenged for parts, much like an old automobile. And what they can't use or preserve is discarded.

[artemis]

A newcomer?
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1306712/Has-Serena-Williams-nose-job-Tennis-players-fresh-faced-look-prompts-speculation.html

[Eternity]

Aug 28, 2010 5:58:52 GMT -5 artemis said:

A newcomer?
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1306712/Has-Serena-Williams-nose-job-Tennis-players-fresh-faced-look-prompts-speculation.html

That is not the same person. The skull and symmetry are completely different.

[The Mask]

^I do notice a larger forehead on the new Serena but everything else looks pretty close.

[lucy]

Why would she need to have her nose done? What was wrong with the way she looked before? She looked that way for how long in the spotlight? Why change it now?

Hmmmmm.

[artemis]

ANN MARGRET time:
In 1961


1962




In CARNAL KNOWLEDGE (1971)









After her accident
In TRAIN ROBBERS (1973)


Around the time of "PAUL MCCARTNEY saga", TOMMY


1984. Compare her profile to that pic from CARNAL KNOWLEDGE. Same features?


And a couple of precious comments:

"She was on a platform that was lowering her to the stage at the start of one of her shows. She fell about 22 feet to the stage and landed on her face and left arm. She had to get her jaws wired shut and wear a cast on her arm for a while. I've always thought she looked a little different after her accident than before it."

"Though I have to say that the accident didn't really stall her career. What did cause a gap was her taking time off to care for her husband, Roger Smith, who suffers from Myasthenia Gravis."

"A survivor with inspirational determination, she nearly died in 1972 when she fell 22 feet in a freak accident while performing in Lake Tahoe. She landed on her beautiful face. The gutsy performer fought back through tedious reconstructive surgeries and convalescence. Within a year she was back on stage."

My take is that the accident was definitely far worse than we were let to know and that put an end to her acting/entertaining career. No more ANN MARGRET. Enter the imposter/s. Perhaps she died indeed then, will we ever know? "Freak" accident? What if it wasnt an accident at all? Anyway methinks we deal with 2 ANN's (xcept the original, of course). What do u think, ppl?