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[artemis]

Aug 23, 2010 21:48:14 GMT -5 beatlies said:

Faneane Farofolo "Mistaken for Herself" (wink wink):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV1jlU6P7-I&feature=related


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Dig the swastika necklace.

I have a swastika necklace myself ;D

[artemis]

Aug 23, 2010 18:40:39 GMT -5 feliciag said:

About Jane Fonda and the various possible Fanes......I remember in an interview she did (one of the Fanes probably?) she said that when she first came to Hollywood and tried to get work she was told very plainly that she was going to need to have a LOT of physical alterations in order to be "qualified" to work in the industry. I remember one of the alterations she mentioned was that people told her she was going to have to have her jaw broken and realigned to be considered camera worthy. She did not mention in this interview if she had agreed to have this process done, but she said it in a very matter of fact way, as if starlets having their jaws broken was absolutely a commonplace occurence in the 1960's in the Hollywood mill.

Now, of course, this was probably a Fane telling this story - because I watched this interview sometime in the late 80's or early 90's, and she was probably replaced at least once by that point. Perhaps she said this to explain aware the severe differences in her face shape between her early days as a starlet and later times.

But it really struck me - we tend to think of things like nose jobs, breast jobs, and the like as relatively newish required procedures for starlets. But this stuff has been pretty commonplace since at least as far back as the 1950's/1960's. Jaws broken? Sounds pretty extreme, doesn't it?

Another thing that struck me in that Fane interview was how calm and unconcerned she was describing this stuff - sure speaks to the mind control that wannabe celebs step into where they will do literally anything to their bodies to get work in Hollywood - and the horrible enslavement of the women, too.

It has long been rumored that Marilyn Monroe was an early recipient of silicone injections to her body/torso - the early version of a boob job - and that chronic pain stemming from this procedure was part of what nearly drove her mad, led to her severe emotional ups and downs, and her drug and alcohol addictions. I think it might well be a contributing factor if Farilyn the replacement had all of that stuff done to her. (I'm not talking about the original Norma Jane here, obviously.)

In the 40's (mabe even earlier, I dont know) it was "fashionable" in Hollyweird for the actresses to have a certain look, of course. Higher and sucked in cheeks were a trademark of sophistication/intelligence, therefore many actresses were forced to follow the "fashion", which meant to have their back teeth removed. Terrible, isnt it? I recall reading about MK victim/sex kitten RITA HAYWORTH going thru such an ordeal...

[feliciag]

Mask - Yes, I'm not entirely sure that the Jennifer Connelly replacement came in that early, either - only that she definitely was replaced at some point. Very sad because the girl I got to see on the set was very sweet, hard-working, creative, and dedicated to what she was doing. Why get rid of her? She seemed compliant and willing to do everything director John Hughes asked of her, and Hughes seemed very happy with her work. She would come up with little improvisations to the scenes and he loved all the little things she added. Like she was filming a scene where she was shoplifting and she was supposed to go from point a to point b in a store. She added lots of funny little moments along the way, interacting with a woman who was an extra whose character was supposed to watch her and discover she was shoplifting. Everything was unscripted and she had great natural timing and instincts. She would seem "perfect" in the sense of being a good actress - but something went on behind the scenes, obviously, to end up in a replacement situation. My guess is the casting couch. It's not usually just a casting couch - in show business it's like with modelling, they also usually prostitute young actresses out to other powerful people. Maybe that's where she drew the line? Or went along for a while, got the Rocketeer movie, that other drama where she was topless, and then had enough?

Artemis - I had forgotten about actresses having their back molars removed. You're right, that was common, to give actresses that high cheekboned look. I just was kind of shocked at the idea of having your entire jaw broken and realigned as Fane Fonda was talking about in that interview. Surely, such severe reconstructive surgery would take a long time to recover from? Anybody here ever had a broken jaw? Wouldn't it be many months of recovery? Sounds horrible, doesn't it!

[feliciag]

PS About the casting couch and prostituting out young models and actresses - this was why I gave up on show business. I could post a lot of stuff about this but it might not be appropriate in this thread. Suffice it to say that I had a TV show host, an assistant director on another TV show, and several "modelling agents" pretty much present the classic deal with the devil. You get work on TV or in films, but you work sporadically since jobs are not always available and the competition for women in the industry is so bad. In between you earn a living as a call girl/escort and you're often working for the same people who are in a position to get you bigger and more consistent acting work, so you want to stay on their good side. It's kind of a "pay to play" situation. You pay with your sexuality and remain on call 24/7 for these creepy guys, and if you're lucky, you might get some real acting work out of the deal. I kept ending up right at the brink of getting serious TV roles and some movie parts and always hit that wall where it was pretty much "do this or we just get the next girl to do it." There's no incentive for the system NOT to do this because so many men and women fall into it willingly.

I think this tends to happen more with unconnected people. I'm a nobody, no blue blood connections or money or anything. So I had to actually go to acting school, slave to get parts anywhere I could, and gradually try to approach acting like a real career. I wasn't one of those connected types who could make a phone call to my uncle fresh out of screenwriting school and instantly get a job on network TV as a writer. That stuff happens all the time. There are basically two tiers in show business. People who are legitimate in the sense that they actually have talent and don't have connections - but they're willing to prostitute themselves in some way (and if they change their minds, they probably get replaced at some point if they're famous enough.) And then there are those with connections who might have talent or might not, but they end up making good money and steady money in the biz usually due to their insider contacts.

[artemis]

This thing with jaw breaking mabe has smth to do with wider jaws/more pointed chins we found in many replacements? Bones rearrangement? Gosh...

[feliciag]

Aug 24, 2010 10:41:27 GMT -5 artemis said:

This thing with jaw breaking mabe has smth to do with wider jaws/more pointed chins we found in many replacements? Bones rearrangement? Gosh...

I think they must be connected somehow. Why do the replacements seem to have a standard issue pointy/funky jawline? It's very weird to me.

Speaking of weird jaws, check out this un-Photoshopped version of Fennifer Aniston from a recent magazine cover - very different from the Photoshopped version:

jezebel.com/5619903/why-you-must-see-unretouched-images-and-why-you-must-see-them-repeatedly

The version without Photoshop is pretty horrifying, actually. She kind of has that look that people get when they've had too much reconstructive facial surgery and as they get a little older it starts looking like parts of their face are falling off.

Also on Jezebel they recently posted a picture of Katy Perry as a child. I think she was mentioned here as a possible replacement, but then others say she wasn't replaced - I'm not sure myself but I figure this might be useful for comparision purposes:

jezebel.com/5619470/katy-perrys-kiddie-glamour-shot-reveals-an-early-love-of-pink-cheesy-posing

[michelle]

Much younger woman is attending events as Jennifer. Maybe by chance they got picture of real thing on the beach.

[sherlok]

^ Thanks for posting the link. Here is the before/after pic:



The real Fennifer looks like a Vlasic pickle. ;D

[michelle]

Dorian Gray thing unfolding.

[feliciag]

Oh dear, I think we may have a Fusan.

(Bear with me - I still need to get a handle on image posting -)

Is this young woman from Rocky Horror the same as the woman presented as Susan Sarandon many years later?

Young Susan:

templeofgodrobert.blogspot.com/2009/10/women-of-rocky-horror-pictuer-show.html

Fusan of today's era: (photo notes say it's from 2005)

www.digitaljournal.com/img/9/0/1/2/2/1/i/4/5/3/o/Susan_Sarandon_2005.jpg

If it's the same woman, how did she go from a much thinner, more aquiline nose as a young woman to someone whose nose got a lot pointier? The second photo almost looks like she has a fake nose on.

The rest, I'm not sure of - needs more examining for sure.

[artemis]

I must admit theres a difference, speaking of SUSAN. What u see first, its the nose. She played together with CATHERINE DENEUVE in THE HUNGER and I noticed they have similar facial features. So the snub-nosed woman sold to us as SUSAN SARANDON isnt... SUSAN SARANDON at all... More comparisons to come...
I dont think KATY PERRY was replaced. Not yet, at least. Even as a child she looks like the same person to me.

[The Mask]

Aug 24, 2010 10:36:17 GMT -5 feliciag said:

PS About the casting couch and prostituting out young models and actresses - this was why I gave up on show business. I could post a lot of stuff about this but it might not be appropriate in this thread. Suffice it to say that I had a TV show host, an assistant director on another TV show, and several "modelling agents" pretty much present the classic deal with the devil. You get work on TV or in films, but you work sporadically since jobs are not always available and the competition for women in the industry is so bad. In between you earn a living as a call girl/escort and you're often working for the same people who are in a position to get you bigger and more consistent acting work, so you want to stay on their good side. It's kind of a "pay to play" situation. You pay with your sexuality and remain on call 24/7 for these creepy guys, and if you're lucky, you might get some real acting work out of the deal. I kept ending up right at the brink of getting serious TV roles and some movie parts and always hit that wall where it was pretty much "do this or we just get the next girl to do it." There's no incentive for the system NOT to do this because so many men and women fall into it willingly.

I think this tends to happen more with unconnected people. I'm a nobody, no blue blood connections or money or anything. So I had to actually go to acting school, slave to get parts anywhere I could, and gradually try to approach acting like a real career. I wasn't one of those connected types who could make a phone call to my uncle fresh out of screenwriting school and instantly get a job on network TV as a writer. That stuff happens all the time. There are basically two tiers in show business. People who are legitimate in the sense that they actually have talent and don't have connections - but they're willing to prostitute themselves in some way (and if they change their minds, they probably get replaced at some point if they're famous enough.) And then there are those with connections who might have talent or might not, but they end up making good money and steady money in the biz usually due to their insider contacts.

Thank you feliciag.

Perhaps if you want you could start a thread on this subject and share more of what you know. It is definitely relevant to what is discussed on this forum.

[feliciag]

Mask, I will think about doing that - thanks for the encouragement! Although I probably should have posted that last bit in your "Use and Abuse of Celebrities" thread.

I have tales from a lot of film sets and TV sets to share. Plus a lot of stories about actors and performers and sad things that happened to them.

Maybe we could start a thread for people who make it to this forum who have firsthand observations of celebrities (from meeting them or seeing them in concert) and who also have experience working in show business? Because I think that might be useful and it would also be a good place to share some of my firsthand experiences in the meantime.

And then if others come along with these types of experiences they can contribute there. Even if you've just seen a celebrity in concert, and you suspect a replacement, you could write about that in that thread. Or if you had a run in with a celebrity in another setting like a book signing or whatever, that could go in the thread. Remember the person who reported Debbie Reynolds acting all zombied out at a book signing? Those types of stories would be great there, too. The idea would be to post anomalous things that aren't quite RIGHT about celebrities that tie in to the idea of replacements, clones, etc.

I remember you had a poster here a while back who had some firsthand observations from film sets - I think he wrote about seeing Brad Pitt act like a zombie? And he and posters like him could chime in there, too. What do you think?

Help me come up with a good title for the thread! Something like "Inside Peek at Celebrities and Show Business?" I dunno, help me brainstorm!

[artemis]

No offence, I think the forum already has all the threads needed, not to say that a little clean up must be done here.

[feliciag]

No offense taken! I don't want to clutter things up, at all.

I guess I was wondering if longtime members could see it being a good idea to post a thread that would exclusively talk about firsthand celeb encounters/experiences and also insider show business observations from people who have worked in the business. This would include if somebody has seen a celeb at a book signing, political rally, concert, etc - as well as much in depth in person interactions. And also leave room for those of us who have a lot of inside show business juicy stuff to talk about. I know there was a wonderful poster here a while ago who talked about observations from movie sets he had worked on - I was thinking of that, for instance. Or the person who saw Debbie Reynolds acting like a zombie at a book signing. A thread where all of that could be dissected. As well as stuff about the drug, porn,prostitution, and other criminal activities that tie into show business and create an environment ripe for replacement and deception and mind control.

Just my thoughts as I think about how to approach it - keep shooting me down if you feel that material would carry us off too far afield. I do have a lot of firsthand celeb stuff to relate and also secondhand from friends, boyfriends, coworkers in the industry - some sick stuff unfortunately but revealing I hope!