Willing Replacements - Who Are They?

[bzzerk]

I thought I'd start a thread in an attempt to try and answer some aspects of replacements that puzzle me.

We already know replacements can be synthetics and clones. I wonder though, how doubles/lookalikes (ordinary humans) are selected and whether they are forced into taking on the role of a replacement with threats/bribery, or if they willingly do it in exchange for fame and money.

With regard to human replacements, how do you think they're selected? Are their CIA programs that find people and then recruit them? Are these people then plucked from their jobs/ordinary lives and trained to take on the role? Are they schooled on how to act or play an instrument or sing like their replacement? Are they mind conrolled into believing they're the original? Is there technology available to transfer the talent/skills of the original entertainer into the replacement? My thought is no on the last one, because clearly Eddie Murphy's replacement lacks the charm, charisma and humour of the original and many replacement singers (McCartney/Lennon to name a couple) lack the talent of the originals.

Also, if ordinary, non mind-controlled humans are used, who in their right mind would willingly take on the role? We’ve seen some celebrities have had several replacements, which suggest several ‘versions’ have been killed off. Who would want to perform the role of an entertainer that could possibly be killed and replaced again without warning?

We know that Lennon’s replacement used to contradict himself in interviews all the time and somehow seemed to ‘forget’ a lot of his and the Beatles' history. This suggests either Lennon’s replacement was in fact just an ordinary human that didn’t bother to study/learn the real Lennon’s/Beatles’ history very well, or that perhaps he was mind controlled and his programming was breaking down.

I’d be very interested to hear people’s opinions on any of this.

[flyingeye]

Also interesting is why we have mere human replacements in some cases and clones or synths in some others...

[goro]

Four words. Out of work actors.

Unemployment is over 98% in that industry.

See the movie Dave starring Kevin Kline. I think it pretty much revealed what's going on when they are using human replacments. (Of course, it didn't show mind control or programming, or plastic surgery.)

[bzzerk]

Perhaps a human is used where a suitable candidate is found and synthetics and clones are only used 'where necessary'.

It's been mentioned on this site that synthetics and clones are prone to premature ageing and sometimes erratic/weird behaviour so perhaps humans are still the preferred replacement type due to their predictable nature and ability to be controlled via blackmail and bribery.

I'm interested to know people's thoughts on how human replacements are selected/recruited/trained etc.

[goro]

Well, I know a girl who wasn't a performer, she was a hairdresser in LA. She occasionally worked on people in TV and film production or people in various show business-related fields. This girl has a slight resemblance to Angelina Jolie. Mostly around the lips and jaw.

She was asked to do a photo shoot with a guy who looked a little bit like Brad Pitt for a small regional magazine where they were going to shoot fake versions of celebrity couples as part of a photo spread in the magazine. She had never done modelling before and thought it was weird, but they were going to pay her well, so she did it. Just a bunch of photos wearing some fun clothes, posing with a nice guy who was also NOT a professional model or actor whom the scouts had found and he DID look like Brad pretty much.

After the shoot, she started getting lots of calls from different places who wanted her to "play" Angelina Jolie at parties and events. Some of these gigs would have paid a lot. Also, a major lookalike agency specializing in getting bookings for celebrity lookalikes wanted to sign her on. They said with her look she could make as much as $30,000 a month easily. What sort of things would they send her to? They said tons of corporate events like to have lookalikes come in, sometimes as a keynote speaker, or sometimes just to mingle with the crowd. Themed events like weddings, bar mitzahs, and more, many of which are being booked by very high end people and they have huge entertainment budgets. If you can't get the real Angelina, get the next best thing, that type of thing.

This girl turned it all down because she didn't like the idea of running around trying to pretend to be somebody else.

But imagine if she had? Would that be the beginning of her getting tested out to potentially be a REAL replacement over time? Or even one of the many "I'm too tired to go to this after-party, so I'll send a double" gigs that some of the Fangelinas have been spotted at? At what point does it go from that to being groomed as a real replacement? It might start with lookalike work like my friend turned down. She thought the whole thing was very creepy.

[bzzerk]

Very interesting there goro.

Perhaps this is one way in which replacements are selected and groomed. Perhaps the person could later be threatened or blackmailed into taking on the role fulltime in the event the original isn't going along with the 'agenda'.

[artemis]

Why another useless thread? Couldnt all be said on the existing threads already? I suggest opening another thread "FORCED REPLACEMENTS" so it could all "match". Or "HALF WILLING REPLACEMENTS"...

[goro]

I don't think this is a useless thread, Artemis. I don't get you. One minute you're talking about how some of the really huge threads here are a total mess (I guess because they veer off into so many different side subjects.) Then when someone tries to start a discussion focusing in a specific aspect of one of those larger subjects -- in this case, the how, the why, the psychology, the happening of how someone might end up playing a replacement --which is different from showing before and after pics of replacements, as in other threads - this is "wrong."

If you're going to appoint yourself forum librarian, responsible for filing, then give us some rules. Threads are too big, other promising threads that start out are inappropriate. Let's hear from Mask. I lurked a long time before I ever posted here and you pull this stuff just about every time somebody starts a new thread - whether the person is an older, "seasoned' poster or a newer member. EVERY f**kING TIME.

Let's have some ground rules, then, about when a new thread can be started. Or just tell us we need to email Artemis first to get approval before we can start a new thread. Give us some rules. I'm tired of Artemis constantly shutting new people down with condescending and bitchy remarks, weird quasi-editorial rules (like how dare you start a new thread) and the like. BLEAH.

[artemis]

OK, then u can go on, like Tabasco did. Almost the same "modus operandi"... Everybody - generally speaking - opens useless threads, fully convinced that those already existing aren't enuff and they have "more interesting", "new stuff" to post. If I want to order to be kept on this forum, then Im ridiculed and worse. So I wont bother anymore. U're free to make a mess out if it. I can only "quote" u: "BLEAH!"

[The Mask]

There is no rule against opening new threads.

But I prefer if, before anyone opens a new thread, to look at the existing ones to see if their topic can be added to that one. This helps prevent the board from getting too convoluted.

[bzzerk]

I started this thread for the reason goro stated - all other celebrity non-specific threads have turned into before/after comparisons of possible replacements and news/updates on celebs, a lot of which has no real link to replacements.

If this thread should be merged into an existing one, Mask, please feel free to do so. I also agree that artemis could try and exercise a little more decorum when addressing members of the forum.

This is a very complex topic and all of us have questions we'd like answered. We should all be encouraged to post our thoughts and questions. If they belong in other threads, that's fine, let Mask do their job as moderator and move the thread and politely suggest it may have been more appropriately added to an existing one.

[sherlok]

Dec 14, 2010 22:24:02 GMT -5 goro said:

Well, I know a girl who wasn't a performer, she was a hairdresser in LA. She occasionally worked on people in TV and film production or people in various show business-related fields. This girl has a slight resemblance to Angelina Jolie. Mostly around the lips and jaw.

She was asked to do a photo shoot with a guy who looked a little bit like Brad Pitt for a small regional magazine where they were going to shoot fake versions of celebrity couples as part of a photo spread in the magazine. She had never done modelling before and thought it was weird, but they were going to pay her well, so she did it. Just a bunch of photos wearing some fun clothes, posing with a nice guy who was also NOT a professional model or actor whom the scouts had found and he DID look like Brad pretty much.

After the shoot, she started getting lots of calls from different places who wanted her to "play" Angelina Jolie at parties and events. Some of these gigs would have paid a lot. Also, a major lookalike agency specializing in getting bookings for celebrity lookalikes wanted to sign her on. They said with her look she could make as much as $30,000 a month easily. What sort of things would they send her to? They said tons of corporate events like to have lookalikes come in, sometimes as a keynote speaker, or sometimes just to mingle with the crowd. Themed events like weddings, bar mitzahs, and more, many of which are being booked by very high end people and they have huge entertainment budgets. If you can't get the real Angelina, get the next best thing, that type of thing.

This girl turned it all down because she didn't like the idea of running around trying to pretend to be somebody else.

But imagine if she had? Would that be the beginning of her getting tested out to potentially be a REAL replacement over time? Or even one of the many "I'm too tired to go to this after-party, so I'll send a double" gigs that some of the Fangelinas have been spotted at? At what point does it go from that to being groomed as a real replacement? It might start with lookalike work like my friend turned down. She thought the whole thing was very creepy.

Food for thought.

[lucy]

Dec 15, 2010 23:16:07 GMT -5 sherlok said:

Dec 14, 2010 22:24:02 GMT -5 goro said:

Well, I know a girl who wasn't a performer, she was a hairdresser in LA. She occasionally worked on people in TV and film production or people in various show business-related fields. This girl has a slight resemblance to Angelina Jolie. Mostly around the lips and jaw.

She was asked to do a photo shoot with a guy who looked a little bit like Brad Pitt for a small regional magazine where they were going to shoot fake versions of celebrity couples as part of a photo spread in the magazine. She had never done modelling before and thought it was weird, but they were going to pay her well, so she did it. Just a bunch of photos wearing some fun clothes, posing with a nice guy who was also NOT a professional model or actor whom the scouts had found and he DID look like Brad pretty much.

After the shoot, she started getting lots of calls from different places who wanted her to "play" Angelina Jolie at parties and events. Some of these gigs would have paid a lot. Also, a major lookalike agency specializing in getting bookings for celebrity lookalikes wanted to sign her on. They said with her look she could make as much as $30,000 a month easily. What sort of things would they send her to? They said tons of corporate events like to have lookalikes come in, sometimes as a keynote speaker, or sometimes just to mingle with the crowd. Themed events like weddings, bar mitzahs, and more, many of which are being booked by very high end people and they have huge entertainment budgets. If you can't get the real Angelina, get the next best thing, that type of thing.

This girl turned it all down because she didn't like the idea of running around trying to pretend to be somebody else.

But imagine if she had? Would that be the beginning of her getting tested out to potentially be a REAL replacement over time? Or even one of the many "I'm too tired to go to this after-party, so I'll send a double" gigs that some of the Fangelinas have been spotted at? At what point does it go from that to being groomed as a real replacement? It might start with lookalike work like my friend turned down. She thought the whole thing was very creepy.

Food for thought.

Indeed. Which brings up the subject of others who DO look like Angelina and make a living off someone else's identity. While it may seem to be fun, and a quick buck, when the line is blurred, and what was once fantasy is reality to those people...or they get caught into a "look a like" situation that could endanger their lives, be taken into porn, or doing things to make it look like the real celeb is caught doing something, somewhere with someone else...like those paparazzi pics...

[bzzerk]

We've all told lies before and I know 'money talks' but I can't fathom how someone could volunteer to lie to the entire world and pretend to be someone they're not, often changing their bodies to more closely resemble the original entertainers by undergoing plastic surgery and getting tattoos.

Our identity is what gives us personality and character. To lose that and assume the identity of someone else and hide it for the rest of your life, knowing that the person you're replacing has been killed...I just can't comprehend how anyone could do that or what the motivating factors are.

[test1]

Bzzerk- they are either hypnotised demon posessed or just plain after the money or all 3.

Check out the 'film' Manchurian Candidate- not the 60's version but the Denzel Washington version.

You might find it enlightening.