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Post by lindsayjudy on Jun 1, 2012 14:02:38 GMT -5
The first Bob Dylan died in late 1963 or early 1964. In fact, he wrote or covered a song 1 or 2 years before called "Fixin' To Die". He WAS the Dylan who appeared in Washington DC during the March on Capitol Hill. It looks as if he and his twin replacement may have lived together in New York City before the transition took place. Beatlies is right. The real Dylan left this world fairly early in the career.
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Post by artemis on Jun 1, 2012 14:50:02 GMT -5
Darling, cut this twin crap, its a dangerous obsession in ur case, too bad u dont or dont want to realize it...
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Post by beatlies on Jun 1, 2012 17:27:04 GMT -5
The first Bob Dylan died in late 1963 or early 1964. In fact, he wrote or covered a song 1 or 2 years before called "Fixin' To Die". He WAS the Dylan who appeared in Washington DC during the March on Capitol Hill. It looks as if he and his twin replacement may have lived together in New York City before the transition took place. Beatlies is right. The real Dylan left this world fairly early in the career. Whatever ths case, that first, chubby-faced individual calling himself Bob Dylan, perhaps the real Robert Zimmerman from Minnesota, was gone completely by 1962. |
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Post by artemis on Jul 12, 2012 6:22:42 GMT -5
"Ownership of Dylan's historic guitar in dispute
NEW YORK (AP) — Bob Dylan and historians at PBS are in a dispute over the whereabouts of an electric guitar that the singer plugged in at the Newport Folk Festival in 1965, quite possibly the most historic single instrument in rock 'n' roll.
The New Jersey daughter of a pilot who flew Dylan to appearances in the 1960s says she has the guitar, which has spent much of the past 47 years in a family attic. But a lawyer for Dylan claims the singer still has the Fender Stratocaster with the sunburst design that he used during one of the most memorable performances of his career.
If the authentic "Dylan goes electric" guitar ever went on the open marketplace, experts say it could fetch as much as a half million dollars.
The guitar is the centerpiece of next Tuesday's season premiere of PBS' "History Detectives," and the show said late Wednesday it stood by its conclusion that Dawn Peterson, the pilot's daughter who works as a customer relations manager for an energy company, has the right instrument.
On July 25, 1965, that guitar was more an object of derision than desire.
With his acoustic songs of social protest, a young Bob Dylan was a hero to folk music fans in the early 1960s and the Newport festival was their Mecca. Bringing an electric guitar and band with him onstage to launch into "Maggie's Farm" was more than an artistic change, it was a provocative act. Most folk purists disdained rock 'n' roll.
What happened next is a little foggy. Did an enraged Pete Seeger really try to cut Dylan's electric power? Was the crowd upset about the noise, or by Dylan leaving the stage after only three songs? Was it even upset at all? He later returned for a couple of acoustic songs.
Either way, Dylan never looked back.
Music has its share of memorable instruments, like Paul McCartney's Hofner bass or the Gibson guitars that B.B. King calls Lucille. Yet it's tough to think of any instrument that was the focus of an event more meaningful than the electric guitar Dylan played that day, said Howard Kramer, curatorial director of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame + Museum.
"This is not just kinda cool. This is way cool," said guitar expert Andy Babiuk. "We all love Bob Dylan, but this is really a pinnacle point not just in his career but for music in general. I don't think music in the 1960s would have been the same if Dylan had not gone electric."
Victor Quinto briefly flew music stars like Dylan, The Band and Peter, Paul & Mary around during the 1960s. Peterson, his daughter, said Dylan left the Fender behind on an airplane and Quinto took it home. She was told that her father contacted Dylan's representatives to get them to pick it up, but no one ever did. Quinto died at age 41, when his daughter was 8, and she treasures any remaining connection to her dad. The guitar was in her parents' attic until about 10 years ago when she took it.
Peterson had no idea about its history until a friend of her husband's saw it and mentioned the possible Newport connection. After unsuccessfully trying to verify it on her own, she turned to "History Detectives" about a year ago for help.
"When I heard it, I was like, 'Yeah, right,'" said Elyse Luray, a former Christie's auction house appraiser and auctioneer who co-hosts the PBS show. But there were intriguing clues. Peterson's father left behind an address book that included a phone number for "Bob Dylan, Woodstock." Luray showed the guitar case to a former Dylan roadie who recognized the name of a little-known company that Dylan had formed at the time stenciled on its side.
A sheaf of papers with handwritten song lyrics was in the guitar case and PBS took them to an expert, Jeff Gold, who said the handwriting matched Dylan's. The fragmentary lyrics later appeared, in part, on songs that Dylan recorded but rejected for his 1966 "Blonde on Blonde" album.
Luray took the guitar to Babiuk, an appraiser of instruments who consults for the rock hall. He took the guitar apart to find a date written inside (1964) that made its use in Newport plausible. He drew upon blown-up color photos from Newport to compare the wood grain on the guitar Dylan played that day to the one in his hands. He's confident it's a match, likening the wood grain to a fingerprint.
Dylan's lawyer, Orin Snyder, said late Wednesday that the singer had the guitar.
"He did own several other Stratocaster guitars that were stolen from him around that time, as were some handwritten lyrics," Snyder said. "In addition, Bob recalls driving to the Newport Folk Festival, along with two of his friends, not flying."
In a response, "History Detectives" spokesman Eddie Ward said the show continues to believe Peterson has the guitar in question and would "welcome the opportunity" to examine the guitar that Dylan says is the one he played that day. Peterson said she stood by the "History Detectives" conclusion. Babiuk said he didn't want to get involved in a dispute, but said he was "99.9 percent certain" that he examined the guitar used at Newport.
Peterson said she had written to Dylan's lawyers in 2005 requesting that Dylan waive any claim to the guitar. Lawyers declined the request and said it should be returned but until this week, there had been no further contact.
Unlike some musicians who prize instrument collections, Dylan has generally looked upon them as tools to convey his art, much like a carpenter's hammer, Kramer said. "I don't think he's dwelled on a guitar he hasn't played for 47 years," he said. "If he cared about it, he would have done something about it."
That doesn't mean lawyers or managers wouldn't be aware of its value and fight for it, however.
Peterson told The Associated Press in an email that she had no plans to sell or donate the guitar to anyone.
"The guitar remains in a safe place," she wrote, "away from my home."
IF THEY ONLY KNEW...
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Post by lindsayjudy on Jul 15, 2012 0:02:37 GMT -5
You don't scare me Artemis and I don't respect your opinion anyway. And what is dangerous is the way you've come to dominate this forum and everyone in it and shut down all discussion of various possible theories other than CIA-replacement. You've bullied everyone here into giving up their Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Thought for a conspiracy theory that makes them look truly nuts.
And by the way, I am Gifted, as in tested by an educational psychologist and found to be in the Gifted range. And one common characteristic of being GIFTED is having OBSESSIONS, being very interested in one topic and researching it deeply.
But you wouldn't know that because you're too busy being a shill on this forum and spreading laughable conspiracy theories about the CIA killing celebrities.
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Post by artemis on Jul 15, 2012 4:53:51 GMT -5
I didnt and dont mean to scare u or anyone else, dumbass, Im just telling my point of view! U can keep on ranting freely. All idiots are nowadays conspiracy researchers and gifted individuals and definitely u are one of them. Am I a shill? Then kiss my shill ass, idiot! Anyway, not so impressed, try harder, baby! A big and generous "f**k U". U definitely deserve it! Now sue me...
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Post by treegenus on Jul 16, 2012 13:27:25 GMT -5
If we don't 'play nice' here, does someone come and clone us to their specifications? LMAO
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Post by The Mask on Jul 16, 2012 14:37:55 GMT -5
Let's get back to the subject. The first Bob Dylan died in late 1963 or early 1964. In fact, he wrote or covered a song 1 or 2 years before called "Fixin' To Die". He WAS the Dylan who appeared in Washington DC during the March on Capitol Hill. It looks as if he and his twin replacement may have lived together in New York City before the transition took place. Beatlies is right. The real Dylan left this world fairly early in the career. lj, when you say 'twin replacement', are you talking about an actual twin of Dylan or a look-a-like, clone, etc.? |
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Post by artemis on Sept 1, 2012 17:21:38 GMT -5
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Post by artemis on Sept 1, 2012 17:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by artemis on Sept 12, 2012 5:26:51 GMT -5
More cultural marxism, more negro ass-kissing. No surprise.... FOB, u sometimes should stick do what u do best.... "Bob Dylan: Stigma of slavery ruined America NEW YORK (AP) — Bob Dylan says the stigma of slavery ruined America and he doubts the country can get rid of the shame because it was "founded on the backs of slaves." The veteran musician tells Rolling Stone that in America "people (are) at each other's throats just because they are of a different color," adding that "it will hold any nation back." He also says blacks know that some whites "didn't want to give up slavery." The 71-year-old Dylan said, "If slavery had been given up in a more peaceful way, America would be far ahead today." When asked if President Barack Obama was helping to shift a change, Dylan says: "I don't have any opinion on that. You have to change your heart if you want to change."  |
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Post by J Gimmysum Truth on Sept 14, 2012 17:28:49 GMT -5
Haven't read it yet, but I've heard that there's something much more relevant in that interview to this forum than poor Fylan's refusal to kiss Obama's ass -- "Dylan talks about his new album, a bit about his apparent belief that the soul of a dead Hell's Angel named Bobby Zimmerman (Dylan's own birth name) took over his body in the 1960s (really, and I can't explain it either)," reason.com/blog/2012/09/14/the-badgering-of-bob-dylan-or-tell-us-yo |
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Post by artemis on Sept 15, 2012 3:47:33 GMT -5
Talking metaphorically about his replacement/s....
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Post by artemis on Sept 15, 2012 9:34:26 GMT -5
"Bob Dylan: 'Wussies and p*ssies' Complain About Plagiarism
On the topic of plagiarism, Bob Dylan speaks candidly. “Wussies and p*ssies complain about that stuff,†the singer told Rolling Stone in an interview for the latest issue. “It's an old thing – it's part of the tradition. It goes way back. These are the same people that tried to pin the name Judas on me. Judas, the most hated name in human history!â€
He continued: “If you think you've been called a bad name, try to work your way out from under that. Yeah, and for what? For playing an electric guitar? As if that is in some kind of way equitable to betraying our Lord and delivering him up to be crucified. All those evil motherf**kers can rot in hell.â€
News peg: The salty, tangent-laced interview comes on the heels of Jonah Lehrer’s Dylan-quote scandal, but it’s unclear whether or not Dylan is an apologist for Lehrer.
On criticism of his occasionally borrowed lyrics, Dylan opined:
“I'm working within my art form. It's that simple. I work within the rules and limitations of it. There are authoritarian figures that can explain that kind of art form better to you than I can. It's called songwriting. It has to do with melody and rhythm, and then after that, anything goes. You make everything yours. We all do it."
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Post by glassonion on Sept 15, 2012 15:03:18 GMT -5
Isn't there a part of that article, Artemis, where he says that Bobby Zimmerman "died" in 1961, when talking about his decision to change his name? He also talks about his "changes" after the motorcycle crash. I glanced at it but don't have a copy.
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