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Post by lostworld on Nov 27, 2008 18:09:11 GMT -5
So funny... I'm stuck in listening to old Yello songs on youtube right now. Some classics there...
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Post by davestewart on Nov 27, 2008 19:13:40 GMT -5
So if the evidence is that convincing why haven't the mainstream press, or the majority of Paul McCartney enthusiasts, been up in arms about this? I think this is a reasonsable question for you to answer.
And guys, you are also really spoiling my macca buzz. You have to understand I've collected everything the guy has ever done, I'm a huge fan, I love the man. And now thanks to yous, I'm viewing him with a cynical eye.
The Paul Is Alive people seem to be pretty convinced that it's the same man. Can't people change over time? The main two reasons that you are disputing that it's the same man, and correct me if I'm wrong, are that: his face has changed, primarily his face is longer, and that his behaviour has changed.
But surely loads of drugs and drink and stress can thin people out and make them look a lot different, seen Boy George recently? Seen Elton John? Okay you'd probably argue that Elton John is the same man because his eyes etc are all still lined up no matter what weight he is.
But for the record, how serious are you about this? What is your point in this and where do you intend on taking it? For such a big cover up, this theory seems to occupy such a small part of the internet.
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Post by davestewart on Nov 27, 2008 19:59:00 GMT -5
And btw regarding the photo where the older Paul has 6 toes:
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Post by lostworld on Nov 27, 2008 20:01:09 GMT -5
So if the evidence is that convincing why haven't the mainstream press, or the majority of Paul McCartney enthusiasts, been up in arms about this? I think this is a reasonsable question for you to answer.Dave, who do you think controls the media? And guys, you are also really spoiling my macca buzz. You have to understand I've collected everything the guy has ever done, I'm a huge fan, I love the man. And now thanks to yous, I'm viewing him with a cynical eye.Understand. But remember - almost everyone here are as huge Beatles and Paul fans as yourself. So they are not doing this to bash Paul or the Beatles. And I don't think anyone here is doing this to break someone's world. We just feel that something is wrong not just with Paul but with the whole world in general. Like I've said before -it's all connected and PID is just a piece of the bigger puzzle. That's why you should study and research some more about those other things too - to get the whole picture. Maybe then it makes more sense to you. If you are ready for it. It IS heavy stuff. Many of us here has not always been awaken. It's a process. I started mine about ten years ago but this last year I've gone through some real soul development/growth. Not just because of PID but also due to other things that happen in one's personal life that makes you THINK. I have also my favourite artists, Sting and George Michael are among those and I would have prefered not to find these things out about them - and yet I was the one who started the threads about them! Still - the truth is better than being deceived and to live in the dark. And to lie to yourself. I think there is a reason for you to be here. You wouldn't have been here and discussing this with us unless you are a searcher somehow. It' s never easy to have your view on life tested - especially when it's as revolutionary as this. Not everybody is ready to believe. I also think some people CAN'T see, for whatever reason we don't know. (compare it with those who are psychic and those who are not). I think it's good to view everything with a cynical eye. Even if it's sad that we have too. However I think it's crucial to do so in these times we're living in... Can't people change over time? Of course they can. Didn't you see my post on Paul Newman? That is a good example of normal aging, even if he was exceptionally good looking. There I also made some comments on aging. It all depends on WHERE the changes are. But surely loads of drugs and drink and stress can thin people out and make them look a lot different, seen Boy George recently? Yes, I agree. Boy George doesn't look well at all. But for the record, how serious are you about this? What is your point in this and where do you intend on taking it? For such a big cover up, this theory seems to occupy such a small part of the internet.I am very serious. And it's a part of my search and my personal growth as a human too. I just feel a need to talk to others who are like me and hopefully, as a bonus, make other people aware of this too. But I' m not a prophet If you don't believe or once again - can't, there is nothing I can do about that. No one is here to force anyone. Your beliefs has to come from within YOU. That's always the case with everything. If these pieces don't fit into your puzzle that's fine by me. We all have our own road to take in this life. BUT if you don't want to go further with this because you're afraid of what you might find, then I think you should challenge yourself some more...
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Nov 27, 2008 20:19:46 GMT -5
So if the evidence is that convincing why haven't the mainstream press, or the majority of Paul McCartney enthusiasts, been up in arms about this? I think this is a reasonsable question for you to answer.Absolutely. To even begin to understand this, you have to have some background knowledge about TPTB/Illuminati. From The Illuminati FAQ by Abner Whateley at www.chaosmatrix.org/library/humor/illum50.html13. The Illuminati conspiracy is hundreds, if not thousands, of years old. Many of the most famous names of history have been Illuminated, or Illuminati agents. Indeed, all of history is nothing more than an outside view of the schemes and struggles of the Illuminati.
2. The Illuminati infiltrate and take over organizations of all kinds, from churches to the post office to the corner grocery store, and turn them to their own ends.
8. Their first means of dealing with opposition is to buy it off. To any group as rich as the Illuminati, a few million dollars are nothing.
9. Next they try threats. Danger to possessions, status or loved ones has dissuaded many a would-be foe of Illuminati schemes.
10. And, of course, murder is an ancient political weapon. The Illuminati have been responsible for some of the most shocking assassinations of modern times.
11. They also replace people with doubles. For many years they recruited look-alikes who would serve their ends. Now they are perfecting cloning technology that will let them replace anybody.
12. Those who can't be dealt with any other way are discredited or driven mad.
15. They control the news media, so you hear what they want you to about today's news. Any event that doesn't fit in with their program will be quickly hushed up.
16. In particular, they control television. They don't permit intelligent shows to survive; they encourage mind candy that will keep people from thinking. The only reason good shows are permitted to appear at all is to convince intelligent people that nobody else likes such material, and that there must be something wrong with them.
28. They encourage resistance to authority among young people and political dissidents, to distract government attention from the real enemy within.
29. But when they reach a satisfactory level of control, they turn their efforts toward extinguishing independence and encouraging mindless obedience to whatever orders come from the Illuminati or their servants.The fact that the imposter hasn't been exposed is what convinces me TPTB are involved. The Illuminati control the media, so they control what is "reality" for most people. When people really started to question whether Paul was dead in 1969, LIFE magazine trotted out someone claiming to be Paul as proof Paul was alive. A lot of people were relieved, but some saw right thru the charade. And guys, you are also really spoiling my macca buzz. You have to understand I've collected everything the guy has ever done, I'm a huge fan, I love the man. And now thanks to yous, I'm viewing him with a cynical eye.LOL! I LOVE Paul. I cried for 3 days when I figured out he'd been replaced. At first, I was made at Faul, but now I like him. I will always like him for what he's done to try to help animals - esp the poor seals who are skinned alive in Canada... Anyway, I don't really understand all that went on, of course, but I don't like that he's being portrayed as someone he isn't. I don't like the mind games, the manipulation, the control. People are mesmerized into believing someone is somebody he isn't. That's just wrong. The Paul Is Alive people seem to be pretty convinced that it's the same man. Can't people change over time? Yes, of course, people can change over time, but usually not that much in one year! There's a huge difference in Paul from 1966-67. Besides, basic features such as width between eyes & eye color would never change. The main two reasons that you are disputing that it's the same man, and correct me if I'm wrong, are that: his face has changed, primarily his face is longer, and that his behaviour has changed.While those are factors, they are not the only ones. The eyes are different, the nose, the ears, the chin, the cheeks, the forehead. Paul's style also changed. I personally prefer Paul's songs. I don't think Faul has ever been able to match "Yesterday" or "For No One." The voice is also different. Faul was also taller w/ a bigger frame, & had less hair on his hands (Paul had hairy hands). The feet were also difft: And body type: But surely loads of drugs and drink and stress can thin people out and make them look a lot different, Again, we're talking about a big change in one year. There's no evidence Paul did hard drugs that I know of. He also seems to have had some sort of stomach problem that made him look puffy towards the end, but he still looked like Paul. But for the record, how serious are you about this? What is your point in this and where do you intend on taking it? For such a big cover up, this theory seems to occupy such a small part of the internet.It's important to get the truth out - not only to set the record straight about Paul/Faul, but also to open people's eyes to how much they are manipulated into believing things. This is just one part of the "awakening" that's going on. PID may still be small, but it's growing. It was recently listed as #14 top conspiracy theory of all time. 14. PAUL IS DEAD “Paul is dead” is an urban legend alleging that Paul McCartney died in a car crash 1966 and was replaced by a look-alike and sound-alike. "Evidence" for McCartney’s death consists of “clues” found among the Beatles’ many recordings. Hundreds have been cited at various times by various people. They include statements allegedly heard when a song is played backwards, symbolism found in obscure lyrics, and ambiguous imagery on album covers. A few of them are well known, such as the fact that McCartney is the only barefooted Beatle and is out of step with the others on the cover of Abbey Road, pictured.www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3483477/The-30-greatest-conspiracy-theories-part-1.html
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Post by lostworld on Nov 27, 2008 20:47:03 GMT -5
Dave, I think you should read this too: from www.illuminati-news.com/index.htmlAs much as the information I am spreading regarding the Illuminati is giving me a wider and wider positive response, I have had a harder time with the information about mind control in the field of music and art. That part of my website (a whole website of its own actually) has not always been well received(1). Angry people have contacted me, saying I am way off and a crazy fool, to put it lightly. However, there have also been quite a few people working in the music industry that have acknowledged my work and assure me that the industry is pretty much controlled by the same forces as the banking industry, with other words the Illuminati(2). When I tell people that many of their heroes are possible mind controlled slaves, it is like I destroy the very ground on which their lives are built up around. This is understandable, as it did for me too. I myself is a musician and composer, and many of the rock artists from the 60's and 70's were my icons and heroes too. However, I had to face the fact, and even if I felt betrayed, angry and lost when the truth slowly revealed before my eyes, I felt grateful when the disappointment had diminished. Another revelation on the road to truth ...Wes Penre (webmaster illuminati-news.com) AND from: www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/index2.htmThe Beatles were made "Members of the British Empire" by Queen Elizabeth II of England in the 60's. The Queen is one of the highest Illuminati members on this planet. If the Beatles were so "rebellious" and against the system as John Lennon always said they were, how come the Queen accepted them? Quite recently Paul McCartney was knighted as well. Elton John is another example of a number of artists and actors who have been knighted. The ONLY ones being knighted by the Queen of England are those who have served the Illuminati Agenda well. Things are not what they seem to be. We have been severely tampered with and extremely deceived.You will always find the Beatles when searching for "occult music" etc. Since I think the illuminati /TPTB had their claws in them I believe that they were being used (just like the Police) etc. They were NOT satanists but in that phase they were contributing as puppets of the evil agenda. However, I believe they soon discovered AND protested against it all and wanted no part of it anymore. One good reason for killing Paul (maybe he wanted out before the others did).
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Nov 27, 2008 22:23:27 GMT -5
However, I believe they soon discovered AND protested against it all and wanted no part of it anymore. One good reason for killing Paul (maybe he wanted out before the others did). That's what I believe, too - that Paul wouldn't "get w/ the program." I believe TPTB were controlling or attempting to control the Beatles. I think they started to get too independent. For ex, John started talking out against the Vietnam War in 1966. We know TPTB were pushing a drug agenda (MK ULTRA, Chaos, Mockingbird). I don't believe Paul was particularly amenable to encouraging people to take drugs. In contrast to the present image of "Paul McCartney," the real one seemed to be a bit of a rebel. Coleman: "Do you think you have some sort of responsibility to your fans? Do they look up to you?" PAUL: "No, it would probably be a nicer answer if I said yes, we have a responsibility to fans. But I can't be noble for the sake of it. The answer's no. I don't believe we have any responsibility frankly, and it takes a bit of saying. It's insulting the intelligence of a lot of young people to say we have. We used to get requests from people, asking us if we'd go to a meeting and tell loads of people they shouldn't drink. What do they take us for? We'd get laughed at if we said the youth of Britain shouldn't drink. It'd be bloody impertinent. I haven't the right to interfere with anybody else's life. Do you think just because a Beatle said, 'Don't go beating people up.' the crime figures would go down? They wouldn't. And it's a cheek to expect us to do it. And I'd feel a right nit saying, 'Thou shalt not drink'."From an article from Melody Maker 27 March 1965 posted by Truecolors at only1rad.proboards62.com/index.cgi?board=frontman&action=display&thread=841Yeah, I just don't see him encouraging people to take drugs (or not take drugs).
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Post by davestewart on Nov 27, 2008 22:45:21 GMT -5
How many of you, honestly, honestly, honestly, if you had the pleasure of meeting Paul McCartney, would bring this topic with him? Btw have you seen this video? uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fVGk5qm6Mac
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Nov 27, 2008 23:47:51 GMT -5
Faul makes lots of references to a double or twin, doesn't he? For ex: People who know him say there is the real McCartney and there is Beatle Paul. "I've learnt to compartmentalise," he says. "There's me and there's famous Him. I don't want to sound schizophrenic, but probably I'm two people"....From November 21, 2008 -- The Sunday Times (UK) article, "Sir Paul McCartney confronts the ghosts of his past" And of course, this is an excellent example Official Ever Present Past Video uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fVGk5qm6MacHave you seen this video? Someone does bring the topic up. It's a weird response. paul is dead - nothing is real 4 www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUX9qmnlx6U
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Post by lostworld on Nov 28, 2008 4:46:05 GMT -5
Have you seen this video? Someone does bring the topic up. It's a weird response.
paul is dead - nothing is real 4www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUX9qmnlx6UOh, that's a great video! Hadn't seen that one before. He's really uncomfortable in that situation, you can tell. Someone says Bill! 2 times! And "Paul's" reaction to it... Here are some some comments from youtube: Hilarion1771 Hahaha, good man Bill gives her the finger very subtly when she asks what is the greatest rumour about himself- Watch him scratch his chin with his middle finger and say, "I can`t think." HaHaHaPaulIsDead Here's something that no one (surprisingly) has picked up on: from :15 to :30, there's a blond guy in one of the front rows waving his hand. It's probably HE who is saying "Bill". "McCartney" looks at him for a brief instant and then turns away. A voice of authority in the background then refers sternly to "the gentleman in the front with his hand up" and it's clear that after :30, he's been removed from the audience. It's not IAAP by any chance, is it? MikeyNL1038 don't think so... IAAP has black hair HaHaHaPaulIsDead Ah. Well, I wonder who it was then. Many comments are about how "Paul" holds that guitar/balalajka and how it shows whether his left/right handed or not. I thought of another thing. Wouldn't a leftie hold the mic in his left hand? On the other hand there are arguments about how Paul even before his supposed death used his right hand many times too So I don't know... And - I have never seen that thing with the vaseline and the albumcover before. Is that right or fake? It looks fake though.
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Nov 28, 2008 5:40:47 GMT -5
I've seen a quote where Paul said he was pretty useless w/ his right hand (will look for it). Faul does seem to use his right hand way more than a left-hander normally would (esp smoking). Anyway, I read that Joe Strummer was a lefty who learned to play guitar right-handed, so it can be done (or faked). Of course, you can smoke w/ the other hand, but it's a little awkward :-P Also, Faul's right arm is on top here, which is how I do it, being right-handed... LOL - I just found this pic of Faul. Paul would NEVER be seen in something like that! :-P
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Post by davestewart on Nov 28, 2008 12:37:40 GMT -5
RE: Paul Russia Interview
Videos like this can't be used as evidence. They're full of editing and dubbing and are very suspicious. Look at the editing when sound effects have been added to make it look like he's shaving with the microphone, what's that all about lol? I hardly think this is a credible video. The 'bill' word sounds to me like it's been dubbed in by whoever edited the video.
Regarding smoking, most people including myself can smoke in either hand, depending on which is convenient. If I've got a drink to my right, I'll smoke with my left hand even though I'm right handed. It's no big deal.
Regarding him folding his arms, I am right handed and I'd put my left over my right. It feels more comfortable to protect the dominant hand with the less useful one, maybe that's evolution.
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Post by lostworld on Nov 28, 2008 13:04:47 GMT -5
RE: Paul Russia Interview Videos like this can't be used as evidence. They're full of editing and dubbing and are very suspicious. Look at the editing when sound effects have been added to make it look like he's shaving with the microphone, what's that all about lol? I hardly think this is a credible video. The 'bill' word sounds to me like it's been dubbed in by whoever edited the video. Regarding smoking, most people including myself can smoke in either hand, depending on which is convenient. If I've got a drink to my right, I'll smoke with my left hand even though I'm right handed. It's no big deal. Regarding him folding his arms, I am right handed and I'd put my left over my right. It feels more comfortable to protect the dominant hand with the less useful one, maybe that's evolution. The video is presented from the humorous side, even if the makers are serious about PID. I hardly think it's intended to be "all serious" as long as they make their point which they do. If it was to be presented as evidence, surely they would not had added sound effects etc. Even within PID we are allowed to joke sometimes too, right? And be a bit ironic about it all... It doesn't mean that what we're looking at is less obvious though... I do think he looks very uncomfortable and I do think somebody says Bill, cause he looks very disturbed and looks at the direction where the person shouting this seems to stand. It can very well be that man that is later removed from the picture. Why not? Anyway, I do hope you read mine and Faulcon's thorough and sincere answers to your questions earlier. I had hoped that you would comment something on that Would be interesting if there was something that you actually agreed with or if something made sense to you.
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Post by davestewart on Nov 28, 2008 13:05:25 GMT -5
OK I will read that information and get back to you.
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Nov 28, 2008 17:32:25 GMT -5
"Regarding him folding his arms, I am right handed and I'd put my left over my right. It feels more comfortable to protect the dominant hand with the less useful one, maybe that's evolution."
Well, I'm right-handed, & I would never put my left arm on top when crossing my arms. It just doesn't work. I don't think it has anything to do w/ "evolution."
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