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Post by sherlok on Sept 1, 2011 23:14:16 GMT -5
Leonid Elenin is said to be the discoverer of the comet Elenin about which there is currently a great deal of discussion, speculation, "conspiracy theories," etc. on the net. But, is Leonid a real person? Some people don't think so and there is a definite scarcity of photos of him. Here is the one that is usually shown:  There is an alleged interview of him available on YouTube but some believe even the person in that interview is really an impostor (if an non-existent person can be said to have an impostor): Check out this little video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxcd4EtcUI0The use of sims (simulated non-existent personalities) is a subject I've been looking into lately and I believe it's another aspect to the topics discussed here. I believe It's another aspect to the identity scams that are being used on the public. It may not be used with celebrities so much but rather with persons like witnesses to celebrated events, "experts" who make scientific claims and in other situations where a person is needed to help convince the population of some propaganda or psyop. Such fictitious personalities are actually very easy to create using today's commonly available imaging software such as morphing programs and other applications that can create faces from a combination of other real faces, etc. Such "persons" may also be used to help support the illusion of replaced celebrities by creating family or friends of the celeb that don't really exist but who "talk" about the faux celeb as if they've known them all their lives, etc. which helps keep the illusion alive in the minds of the deluded public. I have also come to believe that many of the witnesses and/or victims of 9/11 were actually fictitious personalities. The same is probably true of other major psyop type events. Anyway I think sims are something to watch out for. |
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Post by beatlies on Sept 3, 2011 15:56:30 GMT -5
"I'm the urban spaceman baby
Here comes the twist:
I don't exist."
---"Urban Spaceman," written and sung by Neil Innes: Bonzo Dog band singer, Monty Python-affiliate and possibly one of the John Lennon Fohn Fennon imposters. Just as Bonzo-er Vivian Stanshall was an Apollo C. Vermouth imposter Faul.
Comet Leonid Elenin,
Comet E-Lennon?
Not sure what to make of the Elenin story yet, but you are spot on correct about the fake identites and real-fictional characters created for the CIA-NSA-Pentagon's "9-11" inside job and mass mindrape.
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Post by treegenus on Sept 4, 2011 16:57:30 GMT -5
I have also come to believe that many of the witnesses and/or victims of 9/11 were actually fictitious personalities. The same is probably true of other major psyop type events. Can you elaborate on that theory? Sounds very interesting. Thanks! |
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Post by beatlies on Sept 4, 2011 17:18:35 GMT -5
I have also come to believe that many of the witnesses and/or victims of 9/11 were actually fictitious personalities. The same is probably true of other major psyop type events. Can you elaborate on that theory? Sounds very interesting. Thanks! There's a lot more great material on the fake identities and televised "9-11" street CIActors and CIActreSSes plants on this forum: www.letsroll911.orgSee some threads on this "Identity games in politics" section of this forum for more on this, with links to the letsroll911 forum. |
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Post by sherlok on Sept 4, 2011 19:21:02 GMT -5
I have also come to believe that many of the witnesses and/or victims of 9/11 were actually fictitious personalities. The same is probably true of other major psyop type events. Can you elaborate on that theory? Sounds very interesting. Thanks! Lots more data on this forum: www.cluesforum.info/index.phpespecially under the topic of: "VICSIMS - the simulated victims of 9/11" BTW- The subject of Beatles replacements has also had some mention on this forum. (not by me) |
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Post by treegenus on Sept 6, 2011 16:44:51 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on that theory? Sounds very interesting. Thanks! Lots more data on this forum: www.cluesforum.info/index.phpespecially under the topic of: "VICSIMS - the simulated victims of 9/11" BTW- The subject of Beatles replacements has also had some mention on this forum. (not by me) Interesting forum, thanks very much! |
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Post by treegenus on Sept 8, 2011 13:18:37 GMT -5
Interesting forum, thanks very much! Thanks but now that cluesforum opened up another can of worms as I was mentioning the idea of VicSims and immediately got the cold shoulder and eyes rolling (and something about going over the edge since I already sometimes verbalize about clones and replacements on TV and in films). At work tomorrow we have to do a 9-11 Day of Service and my friend could understand the 'inside job' but said people died..and I said I wasn't really sure about all that. That's when I got the silent treatment for over an hour! Someone wrote at that forum about 'the psychological barrier can be used as a weapon: if someone brings up TV fakery of 9/11 on forums and by claiming a hypothetical moral highground with emotion manipulation of supposed friends and family lost, he does not have to prove his claim, but in the eyes of other readers, the no-planer will appear a cruel, immoral and inconsiderate, heartless bastard. This is about third-party awareness and manipulation. The 3000 VicSims of the official story are built in as a psychological barrier. People are afraid of that barrier, because they do not know for sure what happened-never forget, we are speculating (forum folks) only what really happened-and are afraid that if we are mistaken, that means we are desecrating the memories of innocent people who died a terrible death and then we are on the moral levels of grave-robbers or something.' Interesting stuff, but needs more research. |
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Post by sherlok on Sept 8, 2011 16:51:42 GMT -5
^ Yes, it is a bit on the edge of credibility but then so is most of what we discus here I suppose. I'm looking at things now that I wouldn't have dreamed of considering a short time ago. I'm still studying the info on that forum too. I do think much of it seems valid, at least on the surface, but it does raise other questions. For example I've been wondering lately about that 9/11 hero maintenance guy, William Rodriguez. Is he for real? An actor? I don't know but something does seem strange about him. On the one hand he is celebrated as a hero by the MSM yet he is also cited by "Truthers" as a source of info that proves their points. It seems a bit odd to me that he would be accepted in both camps. In fact the more I think about it the more suspicious I become of him. ~~~~~~~~~ Addendum: I just looked at Roriguez's web site. The photos are a bit over-the-top for me. There's also one of him with "Charlie Sheen." See: www.william911.com/ |
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Post by lucy on Sept 18, 2011 10:38:42 GMT -5
Something that I find disturbing that comes from many of these "tragedies" are the famous/infamous "professional victims". What I mean by this, out of these mass tragedies, and even from personal cases, you find professional victims like John Walsh became famous after his son Adam was found beheaded after beingmissing. Natalie Holloway's mother became another famous "professional victim". Some of these people have long careers, and some shorter, as the interest in some of these disasters and tragedies fade in the public eye. Now I can see how people who have lost children/spouses/parents in a tragedy can use it as a platform to raise awareness for a particular cause, but if it was used in a localized setting. But those who get rich and famous by publishing books, doing speaking engagements, having tv programs, and strangely enough, seeing them on talk shows after the "tragedies" and looking much "younger" or more "glammed up". I've seen this with Natalie HOlloway's mother with a facelift and nosejob....even the more recent Casey Anthony display...her parents talking to Dr. Phil...and my, both of Casey's parents look "younger" and fixed up. Even after Columbine High School and 9-11, for a brief time, relatives of those who died writing books, being seen on tv alot, speaking engagements...making a living out of these tragedies is a tragedy in itself. I find it a strange trap that people want to make money out of their tragedy. I can understand wanting to tell their story for the sake of a memorial to their loved ones, but to milk it for what they can in the way of a new home, new car...etc...that's creepy. I have to ask this question, with all of the talk about getting jurors for Conrad Murray....the dr who supposedly "killed" Michael Jackson....makes me wonder if he was one of those "created" people. Just find some unlikely person and give them an identity of someone who was supposedly Michael Jackson's dr....and then display him as the ONE.... Another example of a similated person is the guy who supposedly created "Facebook" and other countless "dorky" types who supposedly got rich from something on the internet. And as Sherlok mentioned a maintenance worker who becomes famous....are these people for real, or were they created to give us the impression that they were "victims" and made a living out of their tragedies?  While they are not "famous" but more "infamous" like the shooter in Arizona that shot Giffords, or the recent guy who shot at people at the IHOP....or other such shooters...where do they come from? Are they even for real or were they made up??? |
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Post by treegenus on Sept 18, 2011 19:42:49 GMT -5
.some unlikely person and give them an identity of someone who was ...where do they come from? Are they even for real or were they made up??? Now those are TWO questions that generate so many MORE questions, Lucy! Let's not forgot to ask the question WHY b/c on a less superficial level. those answers would probably give us Ah-Hah moments! |
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Post by sherlok on Sept 18, 2011 22:11:40 GMT -5
Good points, lucy BTW, a major hollywood moovee was made on the topic of sims starring Fal Facino: www.imdb.com/title/tt0258153/There are probably others too |
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Post by sherlok on Dec 13, 2011 19:23:18 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on that theory? Sounds very interesting. Thanks! Lots more data on this forum: www.cluesforum.info/index.phpespecially under the topic of: "VICSIMS - the simulated victims of 9/11" Just for the record I've had second thoughts about the "clues forum" I linked to above. Though it may have some good information about faked media reports and faked 9/11 details, it may also contain disinfo and may be another "controlled opposition" site. So caveat emptor. |
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Post by treegenus on Dec 19, 2011 15:12:29 GMT -5
Just for the record I've had second thoughts about the "clues forum" I linked to above. Though it may have some good information about faked media reports and faked 9/11 details, it may also contain disinfo and may be another "controlled opposition" site. So caveat emptor. Yeah, I agree. It started getting a little 'crazy' with input on NO physical beings in the building at any point in time, that it was a shell, but the reason I was gearing towards believing is that my distant second cousin (who I haven't spoken with directly in years) who works in the building "called in sick" that day so I was wondering if some deep security message had gone out to employees? And if she actually worked in the building then the simulated victims couldn't be 100% accurate. Thanks! |
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Post by sherlok on Jan 17, 2012 19:30:14 GMT -5
Real or CGI?
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