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Post by lucy on Jul 23, 2011 15:21:58 GMT -5
Makes me think a similar thing that these things were setups. Though I've never heard the "story" on how these girls were supposedly taken, like in their own homes, while on the way home or at a mall....
but most of the stories I've heard about abuse, were from so called "religious" leaders, like priests, pastors, sunday school teachers, scout leaders, coaches, and the occasional "freak" that lives in the area...like those cult type leaders who have "followers" and other such stuff.
It seems that the stories all seem to ape each other, perhaps tweaking the title of the abuser, but they are "spokespeople" of kidnap victims??? Anything that gets the attention of mainstream media and they run off with the story...makes me think it was a set up.
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Post by artemis on Jul 23, 2011 16:02:18 GMT -5
The shape of the face, even someone who has aged, and even with the possibility of gaining weight to make the face appear wider, the shape of the face is different. You don't have an oval face and then grow up and have a round face. You may have an oval face with some added weight, or such that comes from aging, but I was thinking this myself as being a different person. Makes you wonder if the story is really that pathetic. How many "law enforcement" people were at that home and never suspected something strange about the back yard? Neighbors??? Something rotten in Denmark if you ask me. (I'm just popping back onto the board for a quick second and then it's back to work and travel stuff - hope to get back again late next week;) ....but anyway, I agree, Lucy! I'm also wondering if her "captors" paid for her dental work or if her teeth were fixed within the past year or so when she's been home? And, really - how clueless were these "neighbors" to not notice a girl giving birth on two separate occasions in the tents out back?  ? I notice they have Elizabeth Smart and Jaycee out their now doing public advocacy/spokewoman stuff -- probably the official "poster girls" now for whatever Powers that Be want to promote a particular idea. My guess would be....the horrible C.H.I.P.S program which even my local MASONS were out aggressively trying to get parents to join....in which they MICROCHIP YOUR CHILDREN.....to "protect them from predators/kidnappers/etc." So...I'll make a prediction that both women/clones/replacements etc. will be used to promote the "there's a sexual molester around every corner" meme --- instead of teaching people how to report the molesters WITHIN THEIR OWN FAMILIES......many of whom are the same masons, teachers, and clergy promoting this lie that it's "outsiders" you should mostly be worried about. It's INSIDERS, people inside your own life and home, who aren't being policed or told on, that's the problem primarily when it comes to sex abuse cases. I've long supposed that Elizabeth Smart was offered up by her own family.....and perhaps the original Jaycee, too. My next post will be on ELIZABETH SMART and will prove Goro (and I) was right. |
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Post by artemis on Jul 23, 2011 17:00:53 GMT -5
Just as I said, time for ELIZABET SMART... Childhood. Different ears in the 2nd and 4th pic of is it just me?         Soon after her release   (In 2005)  (In 2006)  Others             "i just saw her on larry king live.
i watched this case very closely when it unfolded. i watched elizabeth very closely tonight to confirm or deny what my impressions were at the time.
larry king is a media whore. john walsh has become a professional entertainer/politician/hero. these two men are who they are.
the question in my mind was why elizabeth was going to be on tv. the answer was forthcoming in that the sex offender registration legislation was on the table and they were basically campaigning. that was the reason she was on there - her dad.
her dad is a liar and a paranoid freak-nut. he also sees himself as powerless so he tries to weild as much power over people as possible. this legislation was one of his pet projects, even though the "perp" in his daughters case had no priors. freaky.
but i didnt watch that squeaky little chipmunk, i watched his daughter. she had to have some idea of what she was in for. larry, the ho that he is, went straight for the juice - what do you remember most about that night you were abducted? what did you think about during those nine months? with every question about the "abduction" itself, she hemmed and hawed and really didnt have any answers. you would think a girl who had gone through what she had gone through would have had much counseling by now and would have worked through the whole experience and know exactly what she thought of it. nothing.
when asked if she had forgiven her abductors, she said yes right away and then hwed and then recounted almost word for word a conversation with her mom sitting her down and explaining to her she could be bitter and blame them for her bad life or forgive them and move on and have a good life. a stark contrast to the way she viewed the actual experience. she did say she tried not to think about it. that was one of her pat answers when king probed for tintilating tales.
which brings me to my original impressions and my current conclusions. they are one in the same.
this was a teenage girl from a freaky house and a very controlling dad and who was starting to go goth. she was rebelling and was a force to be reckoned with. the severity of her restriction led her to "show them". she ran away.
now i dont know if she made a plan with this mitchell guy or simply ran into him after she took off. her sister watched her run away. maybe someone did come and get her. maybe she made up the story with elizabeth prior to leaving. who knows. but she ran away. and from the time she ran away to the time they reported it was some hours. they conveniently blamed the scared sister for the delay.
ed smart is not that smart, but ill get to that. anybody in his position in the media in salt lake city, being as connected as he was, knew runaways got no attention whatsoever from the media or the police. none. zip. nada. in order to find his daughter, he would have to report her as abducted.
the rest of the story is easy to follow. as they needed, they shaped the story to be whatever they needed it to be. all of a sudden the sister remembers who it was that took her. these people were living in the woods behind their house in a tent! surely elizabeth spoke to someone during that time, perhaps one of her siblings. thats how they knew who she was with. that is also how they knew that she was alive!!!
as long as this drug on, no matter how sorry you felt for the family, with what we were told, it was a given that she was dead. or worse. but most likely dead or would be before she was found. people dont break into houses and steal little girls and let them live. it just doesnt happen. but this family stated on numerous occasions that they KNEW she was alive. believe in whatever hokus pokus you want, i believe them. i believe they KNEW.
then there was the attempt in another part of town to abduct - whoa, wait, it cant be - elizabeths cousin using exactly the same MO but they were not sucessful. this news came at a time when the story about elizabeth had been exhausted by all concerned and even the most hopeful had consigned themselves the the fact that this girl would be found as a skeleton somewhere inthe coming years and identified using modern forensics.
not ed. he knew his daughter was out there so he rekindled the case with a second abduction attempt. this was attributed to the fact that elizabeth probably wanted company do mitchell was going to get her cousin for her. funny how larry didnt stick his probiscis down that hole with her. that would be the most interesting question of the whole case - is the attempted break-in at her cousins house now solved?
mitchell and barzee were street people. they helped this girl out. they were different. elizabeth was on an adventure so she went along with it. whether she dreaded coming home and facing her dad or wanted to punish him by being gone for so long or just got lost in this different world, who knows. but she couldnt have been so sheltered as to not know she could have gotton away from these people if she wanted. and if she was that sheltered, then that would explain a little girl taking off into the night. most girls her age at that time already knew the dangers out there, or at least their potential. so she was either being spiteful or was overprotected or both. looking at ed, she was both.
ed smart is dumb. he is a liar. and tonight, he made his daughter the hotest ticket in provo next fall. for the sake of his ego and to perpetuate the lie so he never gets caught and to feel powerful, even over his daughter(she did not want to be there), he paraded her out to help pass this bill. they got word it passed just as they were going to air, so it was too late to back out. wouldnt want to disappoint his new friend larry.
ed is an idiot. elizabeth is a cute girl who continues to be victimized by her family, her church and her society. i hope for her sake that mr ed hasnt set in motion a self fulfilling prophecy regarding his worse fears.
and mitchell and barzee. just more meat for the criminal unjustice system which is as interested in the truth as a fish is in dry land.
i will leave you with this reminder - when elizabeth was first approached on the day of her "rescue", she answered the person who recognized her and approached her with, "you think i'm that girl that ran away."
"i saw a piece on npr on this one, actually i heard it on the radio. seems mitcxhell was a well known street person or woods person or whatever in that area, many people knew him and his little tribe. he, his people, and elizabeth travelled all around provo the whole time she was "abducted." many people saw her. AFTER she was rescued they cam eout of the woodwork, "oh yeah i saw her at the 7-11, i saw her here and there" they just didn't realize who it was. so here is this girl wandering around provo, not under lock and key or anything of that nature, talking to people, intereacting, not trying to get away.
and mitchell was very well known. he has some kind of radical extremist religious philosophy he harangued people with on the street, but that didn't stop him from bumming a beer and drinking it down once in a while. they made him out to be some kind of cult mastermind, nonesense, he was just a local eccentric weirdo who lived in the woods and somehow gathered a handful of people around him.
he himself may not have even known who this girl was, just another runaway he befriended is all. i am sure it wasn't the first.
yeah, its a demonstration how the media can twist something into anything they want it to be, like how they can manufacture a war out of nothing. they do it just about every ten years, so they're pretty good at it, doesn't take much, but you know they gotta keep in practice." |
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Post by artemis on Jul 23, 2011 17:24:48 GMT -5
This is the allegedly Norway shooter/patsy, ANDRES BEHRING BREIVIK. Take a closer look and compare the earlobes. Not the same. Different guys, more deceit to come.   |
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Post by goro on Jul 23, 2011 23:08:28 GMT -5
Hi again! Had to try to come back this evening to follow up and see if there were more comments here - thanks lucy and Artemis for chiming in - and excellent photos and analysis with Elizabeth Smart (plus the Norwegian guy/s).
Here's what I want to know about Elizabeth Smart. Why was she (and possibly her sister) suddenly BLEACHING HER HAIR blonde when she was still relatively young? Look at photos six and eight. She was still young, although not a little girl, in both photos - and hair when she was younger had already turned "dirty blonde" where she had lots of natural brown tones coming out in her hair. You don't go from dirty blonde as a still very little girl and then a few years later have bright blonde hair.
All I could think when I saw that was -- shades of poor JonBenet Ramsey and pageant mom types who dye their daughter's hair blonde. And perhaps to offer them up to someone somewhere, which usually goes with that territory.
In picture eight (her sister is in it with her) her sister may or may NOT have dyed blonde hair, but "Elizabeth's" definitely is. So some sort of theatrics and fakery was already being done here, and it would be a VERY rare parent who would let a daughter dye her hair when Elizabeth was the age she is in that photo. Maybe mom made sure she had TWO bright blonde daughters to show off.
And if picture number 14 is really her, look at how dark her roots are - in none of the photos are her hair roots that dark except that one - and how extremely bleached out her hair is. Some of the other Elizabeths have more natural looking hair where there is that dirty blonde look with some brown tones but you don't see that bleached out look.
Pictures eighteen and nineteen are definitely of a completely different person/replacement or something, and what's eerie is that she looks a LOT like Jaycee Dugard in those two photos. They could be sisters or close cousins. (I'm referring to her looking like the Jaycee replacement, not the original Jaycee.)
Pictures 21, 22, and 23 are of someone else - another replacement -- and that one has to resort to brightly bleached hair while some of the others dont' need that bleaching to still have a nice honey blonde tone to the hair.
For me, the hair is the most clear sign of replacements -- I'd say at least three different people in these photos, possibly more.
If you have extremely pale blonde hair when you're a kid and it starts to darken and get more brown in it over time, you don't then GO BACK TO PALE BLONDE naturally. And in some of these childhood photos she's definitely going from a girl who would probably have ended up with mostly brown hair and then that same little girl suddenly changes back to having extremely pale blonde hair - obviously dyed and heavily bleached out.
That's interesting that she was so blank and had nothing to say in that interview with Larry King. I saw a clip of that Jaycee Dugard interview with Diane Sawyer from last week or the week before -- and she said something eerily similar about not hanging on to bad feelings about the guy who did that to her, that holding on to it would be giving him a piece of herself or something -- echoes Elizabeth's alleged talk with her mother in which the mom supposedly advised her to let go of it all.
It's easy to let go of horrible memories if they were never yours to begin with.
Or if you were mind controlled and you've been put in an alter.
But mostly I'd say with Elizabeth there are least three and maybe four of them.
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Post by artemis on Jul 24, 2011 4:51:07 GMT -5
But, Goro, maybe she was replaced since childhood, early teens? Bleached hair or not, do you think its the same person in all her childhood pics? Eager to know ur point on that. On a side note: FICHAEL FACKSON also used to bleach his older son's (PRINCE MICHAEL) hair while he was a child. Hawk eye, Goro, I didnt notice her hair is bleached in some pics, I mistook it for having its natural color. GWEN STEFANI's older son, WINSTON, also got his hair bleached...
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Post by goro on Jul 24, 2011 11:31:12 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely, Artemis - I think that pic I was mentioning of how she looked like she had bleached hair as a little girl could actually have been the first replacement since it looks like they had to resort to bleaching her hair to get her to look blonde! Sorry I wasn't clearer. To me there are differences in the angularity of the face, the nose shape and the chin shape in many of the little girl photos which to me stink of replacement.
Just who are her parents, anyway? Influential? Rich? Masons? I will have to read more because you seem to have a good handle on the dad but I dont' remember seeing much about the parents in the news before. I wonder why she was targeted for replacement.
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Post by artemis on Jul 24, 2011 12:30:37 GMT -5
Goro, read the text from my ELIZABETH SMART post and u'll get a clue of how here "parents" are.
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Post by beatlies on Jul 25, 2011 16:37:04 GMT -5
Just as I said, time for ELIZABET SMART... Childhood. Different ears in the 2nd and 4th pic of is it just me? Soon after her release (In 2005) (In 2006) Others "i just saw her on larry king live.
i watched this case very closely when it unfolded. i watched elizabeth very closely tonight to confirm or deny what my impressions were at the time.
larry king is a media whore. john walsh has become a professional entertainer/politician/hero. these two men are who they are.
the question in my mind was why elizabeth was going to be on tv. the answer was forthcoming in that the sex offender registration legislation was on the table and they were basically campaigning. that was the reason she was on there - her dad.
her dad is a liar and a paranoid freak-nut. he also sees himself as powerless so he tries to weild as much power over people as possible. this legislation was one of his pet projects, even though the "perp" in his daughters case had no priors. freaky.
but i didnt watch that squeaky little chipmunk, i watched his daughter. she had to have some idea of what she was in for. larry, the ho that he is, went straight for the juice - what do you remember most about that night you were abducted? what did you think about during those nine months? with every question about the "abduction" itself, she hemmed and hawed and really didnt have any answers. you would think a girl who had gone through what she had gone through would have had much counseling by now and would have worked through the whole experience and know exactly what she thought of it. nothing.
when asked if she had forgiven her abductors, she said yes right away and then hwed and then recounted almost word for word a conversation with her mom sitting her down and explaining to her she could be bitter and blame them for her bad life or forgive them and move on and have a good life. a stark contrast to the way she viewed the actual experience. she did say she tried not to think about it. that was one of her pat answers when king probed for tintilating tales.
which brings me to my original impressions and my current conclusions. they are one in the same.
this was a teenage girl from a freaky house and a very controlling dad and who was starting to go goth. she was rebelling and was a force to be reckoned with. the severity of her restriction led her to "show them". she ran away.
now i dont know if she made a plan with this mitchell guy or simply ran into him after she took off. her sister watched her run away. maybe someone did come and get her. maybe she made up the story with elizabeth prior to leaving. who knows. but she ran away. and from the time she ran away to the time they reported it was some hours. they conveniently blamed the scared sister for the delay.
ed smart is not that smart, but ill get to that. anybody in his position in the media in salt lake city, being as connected as he was, knew runaways got no attention whatsoever from the media or the police. none. zip. nada. in order to find his daughter, he would have to report her as abducted.
the rest of the story is easy to follow. as they needed, they shaped the story to be whatever they needed it to be. all of a sudden the sister remembers who it was that took her. these people were living in the woods behind their house in a tent! surely elizabeth spoke to someone during that time, perhaps one of her siblings. thats how they knew who she was with. that is also how they knew that she was alive!!!
as long as this drug on, no matter how sorry you felt for the family, with what we were told, it was a given that she was dead. or worse. but most likely dead or would be before she was found. people dont break into houses and steal little girls and let them live. it just doesnt happen. but this family stated on numerous occasions that they KNEW she was alive. believe in whatever hokus pokus you want, i believe them. i believe they KNEW.
then there was the attempt in another part of town to abduct - whoa, wait, it cant be - elizabeths cousin using exactly the same MO but they were not sucessful. this news came at a time when the story about elizabeth had been exhausted by all concerned and even the most hopeful had consigned themselves the the fact that this girl would be found as a skeleton somewhere inthe coming years and identified using modern forensics.
not ed. he knew his daughter was out there so he rekindled the case with a second abduction attempt. this was attributed to the fact that elizabeth probably wanted company do mitchell was going to get her cousin for her. funny how larry didnt stick his probiscis down that hole with her. that would be the most interesting question of the whole case - is the attempted break-in at her cousins house now solved?
mitchell and barzee were street people. they helped this girl out. they were different. elizabeth was on an adventure so she went along with it. whether she dreaded coming home and facing her dad or wanted to punish him by being gone for so long or just got lost in this different world, who knows. but she couldnt have been so sheltered as to not know she could have gotton away from these people if she wanted. and if she was that sheltered, then that would explain a little girl taking off into the night. most girls her age at that time already knew the dangers out there, or at least their potential. so she was either being spiteful or was overprotected or both. looking at ed, she was both.
ed smart is dumb. he is a liar. and tonight, he made his daughter the hotest ticket in provo next fall. for the sake of his ego and to perpetuate the lie so he never gets caught and to feel powerful, even over his daughter(she did not want to be there), he paraded her out to help pass this bill. they got word it passed just as they were going to air, so it was too late to back out. wouldnt want to disappoint his new friend larry.
ed is an idiot. elizabeth is a cute girl who continues to be victimized by her family, her church and her society. i hope for her sake that mr ed hasnt set in motion a self fulfilling prophecy regarding his worse fears.
and mitchell and barzee. just more meat for the criminal unjustice system which is as interested in the truth as a fish is in dry land.
i will leave you with this reminder - when elizabeth was first approached on the day of her "rescue", she answered the person who recognized her and approached her with, "you think i'm that girl that ran away."
"i saw a piece on npr on this one, actually i heard it on the radio. seems mitcxhell was a well known street person or woods person or whatever in that area, many people knew him and his little tribe. he, his people, and elizabeth travelled all around provo the whole time she was "abducted." many people saw her. AFTER she was rescued they cam eout of the woodwork, "oh yeah i saw her at the 7-11, i saw her here and there" they just didn't realize who it was. so here is this girl wandering around provo, not under lock and key or anything of that nature, talking to people, intereacting, not trying to get away.
and mitchell was very well known. he has some kind of radical extremist religious philosophy he harangued people with on the street, but that didn't stop him from bumming a beer and drinking it down once in a while. they made him out to be some kind of cult mastermind, nonesense, he was just a local eccentric weirdo who lived in the woods and somehow gathered a handful of people around him.
he himself may not have even known who this girl was, just another runaway he befriended is all. i am sure it wasn't the first.
yeah, its a demonstration how the media can twist something into anything they want it to be, like how they can manufacture a war out of nothing. they do it just about every ten years, so they're pretty good at it, doesn't take much, but you know they gotta keep in practice."The ELIZABETH SMART psy-op icon girl was famously displayed across the mass media in photos of her with her head and face covered with an Islamic-like headscarf and veil, despite her NOT being at all Musliam and completely Christian; this was during the time when the Bushes-Cheney regime was engaging in heavy combat/invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan and installing police state laws in the post-"9-11" era. There was talk of her being pregnant and having given birth in the kidnap-absence period. |
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Post by artemis on Jul 26, 2011 0:06:31 GMT -5
Absolutely no wonder. Good info, Beat. Yes, she is/was a Mormon indeed.
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Post by The Mask on Jul 28, 2011 21:05:32 GMT -5
Here's another example of what I consider cloning at a very young age. Take Darrell Green, a star athlete in high school in football and track and field in the Houston, TX area. He then became a cornerback and kick returner in college at Texas A & I University. He then went on to become a star cornerback in the NFL for the Washington Redskins and he was the fastest man in the NFL for many years. The first two pics below are his football pics at Texas A & I taken at different years. Notice the difference in the pics? The eyebrows suddenly got thinner in the pic on the right and also there appears bags under the eyes which are not present in the pic on the left. Also, the nose goes from crooked to straight.   A more recent pic of "Darrell".  Compare again-Three different clones? |
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Post by artemis on Jul 29, 2011 4:05:47 GMT -5
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Post by The Mask on Jul 29, 2011 11:51:11 GMT -5
Really, from those 2 black&white pics which one is the real DARRELL? Well it's either this one ....or imo, more likely they are all clones and the original is not pictured. Darrell's case is probably similar to Magic Johnson's in that he was replaced right after high school or in the first year of college. That seems to be the MO of whoever is behind this. |
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Post by artemis on Jul 29, 2011 11:58:18 GMT -5
But still we know how the original MAGIC looked like. I share ur point on DARRELL.
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Post by goro on Jul 30, 2011 13:53:54 GMT -5
Sports figures totally make sense as targets for replacement since they essentially end up being "gladiators" paid to entertain and make huge bucks for their owners/managers/team owners/etc. Great pics of Darrell, Mask, and I wouldn't be surprised if all of them were fakes.
I don't follow sports much and I can't believe how much press coverage there has been about NFL contracts or whatever lately -- I mean, really, who cares? They're covering it like it's as important as the national debt problems.
I'm reminded of the interesting information I've come across a few times about secret sports enhancing drugs used on people like Lance Armstrong (maybe have been responsible for him developing cancer at such a young age) and other big sports earners. These people (and their replacements) are used like guinea pigs to make money for the powers behind the scenes, for sure.
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