Close Encounters with Celebrities & Show Business

[feliciag]

I'd like this thread to be a place where anyone who has firsthand, in person, experience with interacting with celebrities can talk about what they have observed. This includes anything "anomalous" which might speak to the idea of replacements, clones, synthetics, and - yes- spiritual possession.

Even if all you did was see someone perform "live" at a concert, or you attended a book signing or political rally, or maybe you had a random moment where you walked past a famous person, I'd love for you to post observations here.

Also I would love people who have worked onstage professionally, worked as model, or worked on film, TV, or music video sets to share any observations they might have about weird "things that make you go 'HMMMMM?" The entertainment world is FULL of high strangeness.

My own history comes as both a former actress/singer and also as a writer. Also, I am just someone who has come across a lot of celebrities and people who work in show business as part of my daily life. Some of it comes from the area where I live, which is an artistic area where lots of celebs and artistic people chose to vacation and/or retire.

I think I only understood the idea of replacements being possible on an intuitive level for a long time. Most of what I've observed has to do with significant emotional/spiritual/and interpersonal changes that happen when people are presented with really big show business opportunities.

Please understand something very important as you read this thread. At any given time, the members of the Screen Actors Guild are 99% unemployed. And there are many, many other actors who are non-union who are also working in the industry on and off, and they are also about 99% unemployed. There is also a TV actors union called AFTRA, and a union for stage actors called Equity.

For the years I worked as an actress I was "Equity eligible," which at the time was a sub-category of stage performers who had worked on jobs earning Equity minimum rates, but had never actually been hired in an Equity show. At the peak of my "acting career" I was making Equity minimum rates, which in the late 80's/early 90's was $300 per week. That was "rich living" in the acting industry, believe it or not!

Most acting jobs last from four weeks to three months if you're doing a stage show, such as with a regional theater, dinner theater, or youth theater. That's part of the reason why the unemployement rates are so high. Jobs don't last very long because shows might have a run for just a few weeks, and then you have several weeks of rehearsals before that. So your entire "work" period might consist of a very short period of time.

I did many different kinds of work ranging from regional theater to Shakespeare in the Park type stuff to summer stock to kids' theater/school tours and more. In between, I worked as much as possible doing things like voice over work, live events like industrial work at auto shows as a spokesmodel, and TV and film bit parts.

I was lucky to work steadily during the time I was a professional actress. I never took work as a waitress, for instance, to keep me going between jobs. I seemed to always have a gig going on. Most of my friends, in the meantime, made more as waiters and hostesses in restaurants and worked for 2/3rds of the year in the restaurant industry. And many of them were a LOT more talented than I was. Show business is just a brutal, brutal industry.

The competition for women is also horrible. For every fifty women who would audition for a show, there would be one or two men. This was at the Actors Equity offices in New York. And then you have the horrible math of the shows themselves. Almost always, there would be about two major female roles to about 10 - 15 male roles in a given show. So to get a major speaking role, let alone a major role, as a female performer took a helluva lot of work - and some talent. I only ever worked in major roles as an actress with the exception of one dinner theater musical I did as a chorus player. So I think I was pretty good back then!

In the stage world, which centers in New York, you have the Gay Mafia running things. Befriend this crowd and you will continually get work. Piss them off, and you'll never work in this town again.

I had written a play once that a former Broadway producer was looking at. She was a lesbian woman who had worked on several big name Broadway musicals in the 1980's and 1990's. At one point, she pissed off some of the gay males who run the industry in New York. And she literally became homeless almost overnight from blacklisting. She liked my play but told me she couldn't really help me since all her former friends had turned on her. So, to be clear, it is the gay MALE mafia that runs the theatrical world in New York.

This makes for a very weird dynamic when you seek stage work in New York, as I did. Many gay males took to me because at the time I was pretty glamorous and looked like Jennifer Connelly/Brooke Shields, a popular look at the time. They got me work.

When the rare straight male stage director auditioned me, it was always a casting couch situation - sleep with me or you dont' get work - and I always refused. So the only work I got in the theater from my New York auditions was from gay male directors.

On the flip side of things, if you were a gay man auditioning for work and a gay male director was casting, you also needed to be ready to sleep with the director. One of my friends was very willing and got a supporting role in a Broadway musical - but the show bombed, unfortunately. He didn't care about sleeping wiht the director, he thought it was just fun!

I am explaining the background here about the stage world. The stage is very different from TV and film, which I'll discuss in a moment.

Most of my steady work came from auditioning in New York for theaters that were out of town, so I travelled and did tons of work up and down the East Coast. A lot of the jobs were very fun (again, because I worked for either gay male directors who admired me or straight female directors who simply cast me for my talent.) I mostly did comedies, kids shows, and period pieces like Shakespeare, with a few musicals thrown in.

Stage work can be very beautiful because you get to project loving and positive energy to a crowd and attempt to share something uplifting or educational with the masses. All of the actors I knew were very sweet, and we all tended to be the typical right-brained creative types who were idealistic and naive about the world.

And often very, very over-sexed. Any cast I was in always became an orgy of almost everybody sleeping with everybody else! Where it got weird was when the power players, the producers or directors, "adopted' a cast member as a lover. Then that person was usually elevated to a position of power - they suddenly took over the lead, for instance, with the original person suddenly not showing up for work, etc.

But the theaters I was involved with were relatively small time, so I didn't see much of the bigger, darker stuff until I started to work in TV and film.

I will continue that story in my next post.

[feliciag]

To continue - for whatever reasons, maybe because the arts allow us to express ourselves and be creative, show business attracts tons of wannabe performers all over the world. This desire to be seen, to be noticed, and often, to receive "love" and adoration on a massive scale seems universal.

I was fortunate to come from a loving family, but many of the performers and models I knew did not. When they came from abusive homes or single parent homes they almost always became more vulnerable to prostitution, abuse, and drug addiction. Some of it is driven by the very real harsh economics of working in that industry. 99% unemployment is really bad, let alone trying to compete with a gazillion people who are prettier, more talented, and who have bigger boobs/skinnier bodies than you do!

So from a director or producer's perspective, when you have thousands of gorgeous young men and women dying to get a part, why not have some "hidden" job requirements like sleeping with the director? If one woman refuses to do it, chances are there are hundreds behind her in line who will say yes.

That's the mentality.

The problem is that young women often think that sleeping with the director means that they will be taken more seriously as a performer and get more access to meatier roles. It doesn't always work that way.

I knew two actresses, one who was a comedienne/actress, one who was just an actress, who were trying to make it in New York and were pursuing every option possible, knocking down doors, pounding the pavements, etc.

One of them ended up sleeping with yucky Jewish "comedian" Jackie Mason because he told her he would help her get live comedy gigs in the city. He did invite her to perform at one event, but that was it. She stopped sleeping with him pretty quickly and the entire experience really darkened her, blackened her spirit. She went from this gorgeous Italian-American New Jersey comedienne to this saddened, heavy drinking, harsh-toned woman almost overnight. She told me he gave her drugs, too, so God knows what really happened.

The other girl, the actress who was friends with the comedienne, actually had a TV agent in the city who put her up for a minor speaking role on the TV show ER. This actress was told that she needed to sleep with - I think it was the casting director, not the episode director - and she did. She got the small performing role. Her agent had basically operated as a madam - setting her up to sleep with the director to get the role. After the agent knew the actress was willing to go that route to get work, she set her up to work as a full-time escort between acting jobs. The last I talked to this poor actress, she had descended into full-time prostitution because she wasn't getting audiitons for acting work, but her agent was sending her loads of johns to sleep with! So many acting agencies are fronts for prostitution, escort services, S&M/dungeon master stuff, and worse.

Joe Franklin who had a late night TV talk show in New York was another one famous for getting young girls to sleep with him while making promises about how he would set them up in show business. Which never happened for any of the women. It was all a set up.

When men of power see all these gorgeous, talented, and often very sexual women pursuing jobs in New York, many of them take advantage.

Now, I'm still talking about stuff happening on a relatively human level. Man to woman. It's abusive, it's nasty, but in some ways, it's a story as old as time.

What I want to talk about next has to do with the price of celebrity and the whole replacement issue.

[feliciag]

What I've talked about so far is what happens in the very lowest levels, the lowest "tier" of show business. This is where I was, where people were basically just working for a living, trying to keep themselves and their integrity intact, naive about the larger stuff going on for the most part. Some made bad choices, fell into prostitution, drug use, and/or porn - amongst the models, actors, and actresses I knew. But most of the people I personally knew well then stayed at that level. They never became famous or "big."

I did, however, have many firsthand brushes with celebs who were on a much higher tier. And weird stuff was constant within these circles.

As I mentioned in another thread, I do believe that there are two realities within the industry. Insider/bloodline types who literally make a phone call after they get out of Juilliard or film school and immediately get work in the industry - who have often come from multi-generational abuse families. And then there are nobodies like me who get work but don't have those connections. In my career, whenever I would cross slightly over into the reality of potentially getting bigger roles (in TV or film,) I was always presented with the "pay to play" prostitution demand, which I refused. I kept thinking each time I hit that wall in various cities, and various shows and film projects, that surely, at some point I would find a big role that didn't require that, but I never did. Casting directors, agents, and/or directors always made it clear that you not only make yourself available to sleep with that specific power player, but most actresses are expected to be on call in what's basically a pool of prostitute/escorts for other powerful people that particular person might know.

Models also end up in this situation, only it starts very young for them, since a model's career is usually over by 25. They start working at 13 - 16 and begin working as prostitutes from day one in addition to going on modeling calls. Because models also have to keep an extremely, inhumanly thin physique, they are fed cocaine the very first time they are at a modelling shoot, usually, and this keeps them lively and bouncy for the photo shoot, lowers their sexual inhibitions, and makes them feel part of the "adult" crowd.

I have lived on a property where many Ralph Lauren and other high profile clothes catalogue shoots have been held, in addition to many women's magazines shooting photo spreads there. Cocaine was handed out at the refreshment table much of the time. (I usually showed up, grabbed a snack, and left! I couldn't believe how open the drug use was. The models were sickly thin but looked great in the bulky clothes. )

So to cross into the higher echelons of entertainment if you DON'T have family connections, you work yourself through the drug use/sexual permissiveness/prostitution/escort levels, and this in turn leads to things like mind control, having handlers, and into darker levels of what I believe is spiritual possession or soul loss at a profound level. At some point, if you "wake up" from the almost constant mind control and trance induction, and you say "No," you can either be told you will never have a career (As happened to me before I got involved with the crap;) and/or you can have your physical well-being threatened.

I had death threats from one assistant director who had chosen me to play a recurring character (non-=speaking) on a TV show. I did about ten episodes. He was always inappropriately flirtatious with me, in a really creepy way, and when I showed up one day with an engagement ring on my finger after getting engaged, he got really nasty. He threatened my boyfriend's life and mine. I couldn't figure out why. I was just a bit player, nobody famous, nothing. I just laughed it off at the time but I knew another girl who had gone the prostitution route on the show and slept with this same assistant director, which got her exactly six speaking lines in one episode, and she became creeped out by him very quickly. She talked about how he was violent with her during sex, always feeding her copious drugs, and talked about how the next time she came over he would bring some of his friends over from the set and she would have to sleep with them.

She refused and broke up with him after that, naively thinking that theirs was a relationship of equals. She moved back in with her ex-boyfriend and the boyfriend had the tires shot out of his truck, she was gang-stalked while out driving for months, and her agent would no longer return her phone calls for her "unprofessional" behavior. The unprofessional part was her breaking up with the assistant director.

Again, though, I'm just talking about lower level shenanigans in the industry. I will talk more about observing actual celebs next. I just wanted to provide more background on the thuggery, mandatory prostitution, and drug use that is a constant in the TV/film world. ( I really didn't see this in the stage world at all, so it seems more tied to the modelling, TV, music video, and film worlds.)

[feliciag]

What I've described so far is really the "grooming" stage which I believe later can set the stage for a performer, once they get famous, to become deeply embedded in a very dark world, indeed. And having seen how dark it is, I can't help but see that there must be people who protest and wake up at some point, and also I see how their waking up must be a real threat to the controllers of this system, so of course they are threatened, silenced, or killed. That's the way the game seems to work. Awful.

One TV show I did starred Carroll O'Connor and the show was haunted by problems. Parasitic drug dealers literally took up residence in the tiny Georgia town where we filmed, preying on the cast and crew. Actor Howard Rollins had a major cocaine problem throughout filming. Carroll O'Connor's son Hugh, who had been given a small role on the show so Carroll could keep an eye on him (he was prone to drug problems) became a sitting duck for the drug pushers and sunk deeper into drug addiction. Some years later he died of an overdose. And the women on the show were so horribly skinny and coke-addicted, it was terrible. They keep the women of TV and film horrifically thin. I could see the ribs and backbones of the main actress, Anne Marie Johnson, and a guest star who was a woman from soap operas, when they filmed a party scene wearing backless gowns. They seriously looked like refugees from a concentration camp - just like models. And neither of these women was large in any respect - they needed to each put on another 20 pounds just to be healthy. Many of the episode directors complained about how Anne Marie was getting too fat. Yeah, the residents of Dachau were SO frickin' fat, what lard-asses they were. What twisted people.

I didn't see any signs of replacements in these people, although celebrities are always different in person than you'd expect. Carroll O'Connor was always polite yet distant with everyone. Once in a while you'd see his famous humor come through in some improvising - shades of Archie Bunker coming through. The show was very serious and dramatic and slow-paced (It was the TV version of the film In the Heat of the Night.) I was struck by how Carroll O'Connor seemed smaller and frailer than he did as Archie Bunker, but I wrote it off as age. Plus he had a heart condition and the stress of having to film extra hours due to his co-star's drug problems added to that. At one point during production he had a heart attack, but I wasn't working with him then.

Still--I should double check some photos of him to see if he's a replacement possibility, just because you never know! And there was a big gap between him filming his last Archie Bunker material, Archie's Place, I believe, in the early 80's? And In the Heat of the Night, which we were filming in 1989.

Anyway, the environment of filming on TV and film is just very toxic and it would seem that most of the players on this set were trancing out with drugs most of the time. Other TV and film sets I was on were much the same. It's a pretty miserable life, in many respects, and it doesn't surprise me one bit that people might try to "rebel" at some point and later get replaced. Especially given the intense demands these days to be in front of cameras 24/7 and to be just as "interesting" off camera as on.

[feliciag]

I want to fast forward and mention some candidates for replacement that I'd like to research more up ahead.

I had a friend who was friendly with Ann-Margret's biographers and sometimes saw her backstage after her various shows. He had been going to see her live in concert since the 1970's, when he was a young boy. He never spent more than a few minutes with her, but she was always friendly and knew him by name. One time she was performing at Caesar's in Atlantic City, doing a stripped down version of the same show she had recently done at Radio City Music Hall in New York. (I think this was 1996 or so?) My friend got us tickets and also, through the influence of his friends, her biographers, got us backstage to talk to her in her dressing room reception area for a few minutes after her show.

She wore dark sunglasses throughout and you couldn't see her face very well. She was a petite thing, curvy and sweet, very polite. My friend had made it sound like she really KNEW him and would call him by name, but she didn't do that. It was more like she was forcing herself to be polite and do the obligatory guest greetings backstage. We made small talk for a few minutes, complimented her on her show, and then left.

My friend was shaken and freaked out afterwards. He talked about how her face looked really, really different (beneath heavy makeup and her hair hanging over her face I did think I saw some signs of facelifts and facial work, but I didn't think anything of it - such is the way with older women in Hollywood.) He also said how she didn't recognize him by name, and usually she did. (Admittedly he hadn't seen her for a while backstage one on one. He had SEEN her backstage at various points in the mid to late 80's but not one on one like we did that day in - I think it was - 1996 or so? She probably met lots of fans, so did she forget him? Probably?)

He also said how her show had been really lackluster and her singing was just awful compared to the way it had been at Radio City Music Hall. He said that show had been great, and this was really awful in comparision.

In retrospect, I'm wondering if she was replaced at some point? Or even if she sends a replacement out to do some of her shows for her? Is that possible?

I've been looking at photos and in some of her photos as a young woman she really looks like she has brown eyes, and in others they are lighter. Also she goes from being really bosomy to not having as much bosom to bosomy again. She had an accident in concert in the 1970's in which she fell from a stage and supposedly had to have her entire jaw wired shut and restructured. Now I'm wondering - was that replacement time? Or was that when a replacement took over for a while while the original recovered, and from time to time she trots out the replacement to cover her in a show? My friend said she did NOT seem like the same Ann Margret he had watched onstage so many times and seen a few times backstage - and that the performance we saw was nothing like the same version of the show he had seen at Radio City.

I also have my radar out about her since she slept with Elvis many years back when they fell for each other during a movie shoot - and who knows which version of Elvis it was? Many people say that Elvis and she were like spiritual twins, extremely connected and linked and powerful when they got together - like soulmates. Sometimes when one celeb is replaced they replace an entire surrounding constellation of people - as we've seen with the Beatles and with many of the cast of Friends, etc.

So anyway, I wanted to put that story out there to return to later for further research.

[Eternity]

You know I wanted to be a model when I was younger. I was scouted by an agent, but upon going to audition, was rejected...How I thank The Creator for that.

Accroding to my research Hellywood is based on all of the above. I am proud that you were one of the less naive that decided that fame/money is not worth selling your soul....literally.

I also believe that alot of these modeling agencies and modeling calls(like ones on Craigslist) are fronts for sex trafficking/prostitution/escortism/etc.
just like acting agencies as you mentioned above. Many people that we see in pronography were either victims of sex trafficking, were handed over by their Military/Bloodline relatives or were actors/actresses that fell into that industry as a means of trying to "get ahead" in the acting industry.

Where the mindf**k part comes in, is how the masses are made to believe that making it in Hellywood is something that is pure luck, and thses people are/were ordinary folk who just wanted to act/model/sing etc and did so through ad by "hard work", yeah right, we know what kind of hard work they did. Meanwhile 98%ofhem are Bloodline connected, Military connected, kidnapped, tortured and or sacrificed then cloned. Or the original actors were replaced after finding out what all was really about, then replaced.

Also make note that many agents both acting and singing work for the government. I knew one who worked in The White House. Most Hellywood agents and bodyguards are either active or retired CIA operatives/mercenaries/Army-Navy personnel/Secret Service agents/etc.
Note that "bodyguards" are handlers to make sure that these folk don't say anything wrong in public.

I must ask what else have you seen that really freaked you out or raised the red flag for you? Did you notice any shapeshifting.(It is said that many people on CNN and other news affiliates are Shapeshifters). Did you ever notice any CIA or FBI agents present as DeanHaglund has stated was constantly present on the set of The X-Files?

When you mentioned the Gay Elite Faction of Broadway, I remembered someone else telling me about a group called 'The Velvet Mafia' that a significant portion of Hellywood.

[artemis]

Great deal of info! Thanks, Felicia. The part with ANN MARGRET stirred my curiosity and she deserves some posts here. To me at least it is obvious she was replaced. Also when u mentioned ANNE MARIE JOHNSON. I was shocked that almost in every movie I saw her, she looked like death on two legs. And as far as I notice, shes not too different now, when she turned 50, last month. Tragic! JENNIFER HUDSON should be looked into as well.

[feliciag]

Aug 26, 2010 23:31:44 GMT -5 Eternity said:

You know I wanted to be a model when I was younger. I was scouted by an agent, but upon going to audition, was rejected...How I thank The Creator for that.

Accroding to my research Hellywood is based on all of the above. I am proud that you were one of the less naive that decided that fame/money is not worth selling your soul....literally.

I also believe that alot of these modeling agencies and modeling calls(like ones on Craigslist) are fronts for sex trafficking/prostitution/escortism/etc.
just like acting agencies as you mentioned above. Many people that we see in pronography were either victims of sex trafficking, were handed over by their Military/Bloodline relatives or were actors/actresses that fell into that industry as a means of trying to "get ahead" in the acting industry.

Where the mindf**k part comes in, is how the masses are made to believe that making it in Hellywood is something that is pure luck, and thses people are/were ordinary folk who just wanted to act/model/sing etc and did so through ad by "hard work", yeah right, we know what kind of hard work they did. Meanwhile 98%ofhem are Bloodline connected, Military connected, kidnapped, tortured and or sacrificed then cloned. Or the original actors were replaced after finding out what all was really about, then replaced.

Also make note that many agents both acting and singing work for the government. I knew one who worked in The White House. Most Hellywood agents and bodyguards are either active or retired CIA operatives/mercenaries/Army-Navy personnel/Secret Service agents/etc.
Note that "bodyguards" are handlers to make sure that these folk don't say anything wrong in public.

I must ask what else have you seen that really freaked you out or raised the red flag for you? Did you notice any shapeshifting.(It is said that many people on CNN and other news affiliates are Shapeshifters). Did you ever notice any CIA or FBI agents present as DeanHaglund has stated was constantly present on the set of The X-Files?

When you mentioned the Gay Elite Faction of Broadway, I remembered someone else telling me about a group called 'The Velvet Mafia' that a significant portion of Hellywood.

I'm glad you didn't end up working as model. Most open modelling casting calls are really prostitution fronts, anyway, or they just force you to spend lots of money on unnecessary head shots/professional photography, and then the agency makes more from pimping and from the photos than actually getting the models work. At those open calls they want really pretty and really DUMB, submissive women. Very sad how such women are taken advantage of.

I can't speak to the military/police component of the sets - there wasn't such high security on most of the projects I was involved in, but then, this was late 1980's/early 1990's and I think the whole celebrity culture has gotten a lot weirded now, with much stronger security. The only time I saw a ton of military looking/creepy security people trying unsuccessfully to "blend in" was when they were filming A Beautiful Mind with Russell Crowe and Jennifer Connelly across from my apartment in Princeton, New Jersey and they had these creepy military looking dudes patrolling the streets while they filmed. I only had a brief glimpse of Crowe from a far distance, and I never saw Jennifer Connelly or Paul Bettany. I would have liked to have seen Jennifer just to confirm that she is now Fennifer - but I didn't!

I wasn't aware of the whole reptilian/shapeshifting stuff back then, but on an energy level, I definitely sensed a lot of characters in the casting directing/casting agent/modelling agent roles and directing/production roles who just intuitively creeped me out - and I think my instincts for self-preservation kept me away from interacting with them very much. A few directors on the TV show were nice. On In the Heat of the NIght they had guest directors for each episode and some of them seemed very sweet and not creepy, creative and artsy. Others were frightening. But I felt this stuff more intuitively and just shied away from dealing with the ones that felt "wrong." In retrospect, given how naive I was in other ways, I'm very glad I had those instincts and avoided trouble!

[feliciag]

I just wanted to quickly post that I've tried three times - last night and this morning - to compile photos of Ann Margret for comparision using Imageshack and I'm getting all kinds of technical interference. Typical when you're hot on the trail of something!

[feliciag]

About a completely different celebrity - I was kicked off an alternative news/conspiracy site some years ago for sharing this story, which was weird.

We all know Michael Jackson hadn't been Michael Jackson for a long time and was possibly replaced several times. And he came from a horrifically abusive family where his dad sold all his children into bondage, basically. Many stories about how old Joe Jackson once kicked little Michael in the crotch, which may have led to permanent damage to his testes, and possibly the reason for his very high voice well into adulthood. Anyway, lots of mess going on there.

The being who was masquerading as Michael Jackson around 1990-1995 often rented out a suite at Leona Helmsey's The Palace luxury hotel. A friend of mine in the hotel industry took me to see this huge penthouse suite, which takes up two stories, has amazing views, beautiful grand piano, endless rooms. This woman who was the concierge there during the time MJ was staying there told me about how he would have groups of 10 - 15 Mexican boys, under the age of 15, shipped in by a mysterious limo driver who would show up at the back delivery entrance and bring the kids in for "play dates" with Michael. And MJ also always had Bubbles the chimp with him and some other staff/entourage. The boys would stay over for a night or two and then be shipped back out again. My friend and all the staff used to dealing with VIP's knew that they would be blacklisted from working in the hotel industry in New York if they let word get out about this.

The rooms were always a mess afterwards, she told me. Semen stains all over the expensive couches. She showed me some of the specific couches that had had to be replaced several times. Nasty stuff.

She didn't want to tell me anything more, but suffice it to say that the insiders in the VIP hotel/lodgings world see a lot of stuff involving child sex trafficking and sex slavery and these people being shipped in for certain stars. The same goes for women sex slaves, too, it all depends on the celebrity's tastes.

Another hotel industry friend who worked in lots of LA hotels on the West coast talked about Tom Cruise (one of the Foms, no doubt) who keeps to this day a special luxury penthose apartment for parties with his male gay friends - and sometimes they ship in gay male escorts, some of them underaged.

So there is a ton of this underground sex slave/prostitution/trafficking stuff that sits right along side the drug industry, both with parasitic hands in the world of stars, celebs, and models.

Were the "originals" this goofed up? I don't know. The replacements do seem heavily indulged, though. They get all the drugs and sex they want, plus loads of spending money, fame, attention, etc.

[feliciag]

In the past there has been a thread about Joan Baez and Foan. I can confirm that Foan has been around for a while. I saw her perform live in concert at an outdoor music festival in Pennsylvania, this must have been around 1986 or 1987. While Foan had a lovely voice and a nice stage persona, I had happened to be delving heavily into her earlier recordings right before I went to see her and was very confused at the voice I heard singing. She still has a nice soprano, but it's not the original Joan. When I saw Foan it was right around the time she was coming out as a lesbian and had a memoir out about it.

I wonder how many times when a celebrity comes out later in life like that, that this is really the replacement announcing their sexuality? The original Joan by all accounts, while not an excessively promiscuous creature of the 60's like many female singers were from her era, was straight - dated Bob Dylan (before he was Fob,) etc. Also the fact that she is extremely famous for that relationship she had with Bob hints at the possibility of replacement because we know that constellations of people get replaced - lovers, family members, cast mates, etc. And Joan/Foan got a lot of mileage out of singing that one song about her romance with Dylan, I forget the name of it .....Diamonds and Rust? It's one of her classic hits that she always sings. So the two of them are forever linked as these iconic 60's characters, and we know that both have been replaced (Dylan played by a lot of different people, some of them women.)

There was a notable incident in New Jersey some years ago where Fob Dylan was picked up by a policeman for wandering aimlessly through some neighborhood and didn't have his ID on him, and it was only when he was back at the station being questioned that someone "recognized" him as Bob Dylan and sheepishly released him from custody. He had either done a concert the night before locally or he was slated to do one the night afterward, I forget. But nobody recognized him. Makes sense. Who can keep track of all the Fobs? And that was also around the time that that weird film came out where all those different actors (and one actress, Cate Blanchett) played Bob. Sometimes they throw this replacement stuff right in your face!

[feliciag]

Aug 27, 2010 4:32:04 GMT -5 artemis said:

Great deal of info! Thanks, Felicia. The part with ANN MARGRET stirred my curiosity and she deserves some posts here. To me at least it is obvious she was replaced. Also when u mentioned ANNE MARIE JOHNSON. I was shocked that almost in every movie I saw her, she looked like death on two legs. And as far as I notice, shes not too different now, when she turned 50, last month. Tragic! JENNIFER HUDSON should be looked into as well.

Artemis, Anne Marie was so extremely thin, I honestly can't believe she has physically survived this long maintaining that level of drug addiction and/or anorexia. When I met her she was shy, quiet, polite, professional, but sadly addicted to coke as was her costar Howard Rollins. She had a very pretty face with classic bone structure but otherwise was rail thin.

I also think Jennifer Hudson should be looked into. Any of these naturally curvy women who are suddenly appearing excessively thin - including Kelly Osbourne as you mentioned in another thread - always raise a red flag. It MIGHT be the original person sometimes, but to me it just shows you how the person was probably tortured into starvation for months while her agents/handlers dangled the prospect of getting the woman more mainstream roles and work, which usually doesn't pan out if it's still the real person because her natural weight will re-assert itself. Horrid stuff.

I'm a tall gall, 6 feet tall, and many people wanted me to be a model, but I also have big bones and could never get down to the required 125 pounds to do mainstream modelling work. I did some minor modelling gigs but was told point blank that I needed to be at a minimum of 125 pounds to get work in the industry. I was told this in New York, Washington DC , Philadelphia, and Atlanta, so it's pretty much the same all over. I've always maintained the same weight and even right now my ribs stick out in my back (naturally, not from starvation,) so I've never carried any extra weight to speak of. You wouldn't say I had more than five pounds of extra flesh on me!

I tried back in the day to starve myself down but I couldn't get down any lower than 139 pounds, and then I was getting sick from blood sugar problems and so forth. Unfortunately at the time I was dating a guy whom I believe to literally have been a shapeshifting reptilian (only figured out why he was so yucky many years later) and he kept telling me, even at that weight, that I was too fat! He didn't even work in the industry.

So there is a really weird conspiracy of negative beings, physical, and non-physical, human and non-human or hybrid, industry connected and not, who want young women to remain as hungry and weakened and weak-willed as possible - and to hell with her health. Fortunately I figured out his sh*t and kicked him to the curb, but since I was young (19 or so) it all left a mark on me developmentally and it took a while to heal from those influences I was immersing myself in.

[feliciag]

Cinematographers are also heavily into the dark stuff that is so pervasive in the film and TV industries. Through friends of friends I've had several conversations with a man who has been a main cinematographer on tons of mainstream hit films. He worked on Kill Bill with Uma Thurman and Quentin Tarrentino and David Carradine. He described working on that set and his whole gleeful description of the constant immersion in blood (fake, one would hope), body parts being tossed into scenes, and other celebration of carnage really made me sick. And he just loved it because he's a nasty piece of work. He described the weird affair between Uma and Quentin and how he would sort of program her to do her scenes. The real Uma seems very different, quiet, low-key, nerdish and bookish. So definitely lots of programming and handling went on. (I've never been able to watch the movie. Tarentino's work is such an openly Satanic celebration of bloodlust, I want to kill the bastard.)

This cinematographer has also worked with some major action directors like Michael Bey, who I'm convinced is an alien, he's not human - go look at his eyes in a photo sometime! Again, this cinematographer only seems to work on these action/bloodlust/bloodletting types of movies.

This guy (the cinematographer) is also a creep who keeps a wife at home, then he'll go off to someplace to China for six months and sleep with second tier actresses and crew members who work on the set, and then come home to the clueless wife. Horrific all around. Sets pretty much operate as freefalling orgy zones. "Married" people suddenly become "unmarried" for purposes of filming, then go back to their significant others. Michael Douglas did this for years to his long-suffering wife Diandra. Kathleen Turner recently confirmed this in her biography, talking about how she and Douglas slept with each other while filming the Romancing the Stone movies, then he went back to his wife. I'm glad Diandra got tons of money from him in their divorce!

The same thing played out in the earlier marriages of Mel Gibson and Kevin Costner. Remember how for ages their publicists promoted them as the ultimate family men, still married to their longtime sweethearts, devoted dads, etc? Now the truth is coming out about how abusive Mel is. Costner just always slept around. I know someone who gave him a massage at a resort somewhere - I think in Colorado? - and he always requested "happy endings," which ends in sexual release.

Creepy world. Don't believe any of the "knight in shining armor" spin about ANY star, male or female.

[feliciag]

This is a bookmark to say that I'd like to also research Rod Stewart. I don't believe there has been a past post about him? I encountered him once in Atlanta in about 1987 and I don't believe it was the same one as the earlier 1970's Rod Stewart. He hit on me, actually. Long story!

[artemis]

Looking forward for u to telling it!