MOTIVATIONS in Creating Doppelgangers

[GetSmart]

This thread is a place to further explore the possible reasons for creating replacement individuals.

1. Power by its orientation and extension;

2. Wealththrough its allocation and transmission;

3. Control from the privileged position of creator (god);

4. Engineering of original prototypes and duplicate entities;

5. Intelligence gathering information and transferring memories to perpetuate minds and boost mental abilities.


These potential motivations were presented in random order, with one not being more likely, more important or presumed more frequent than any other. We might actually be surprised to one day learn the real motivations behind much of the doubles programs, as they may be entirely different from the above.


So this is an initial list to be modified and enriched with new ideas and analysis of actual doubles cases investigating the motivation factors. It is likely that many cases of doubles respond to various combinations of motivational factors, sometimes with one or another as the dominant cause.


I would like to kick off the discussion with an idea which may seem unusual, it is the possibility of creating clones to perpetuate the intellect of bright minded people, so that their knowledge and understanding isn't totally lost when they die. It can be presumed that one's mind, when transferred to a new body, would adjust better to one's own clone than to someone they had never met and didn't feel at home "inside".


This could be done also to help obtain information, knowledge or special skills which would be refused the parties involved by the original carrier of such qualities. In an ideal proposal, one would find a great mind which wishes to continue its work for the good of humanity, someone like Albert Einstein who would help advance scientific thought and human progress beyond the grave. However, the world is seldom an ideal place, and other scenarios could be imagined which would be far more likely.


A scientist who for moral reasons would not cooperate comes to mind. Their clone receiving a holographic memory transfer could be slightly tweaked or even preconditioned to change that over-riding parameter of unconditional refusal, and instead open the gate to cooperation and collaboration, bringing all of the researcher's knowledge and ongoing prospective thinking to forward a different goal. Capturing an enemy scientist and cloning them would then become a practical option which most intelligence agencies would pursue if technically feasible.


I am not saying that this is ongoing, possible, practical or even desired by those in a position to decide. This is only speculation about one of the potential motivation factors for only one of the human duplication methods, namely cloning. Maybe this process remains in the realm of science fiction. On the other hand, maybe it is something which has been experimented for some time and is currently being perfected? The advantage of speculation is that at least we will know what we should think and would do if ever this came to be. And if it already is, we'll be better off knowing what we can do about it.


Please add motivational reasons for different types of duplication, or just ramble on and give some feedback. Often, unstructured spontaneous reactions reveal a lot more about the world than formal lists or judgmental rationalizations.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Another motivation for imposter-replacement is to exploit a person's popularity to promote some agenda. Maybe the original person wasn't a team player & had to be done away w/, maybe s/he died in an accident or natural causes. In any event, that popularity can influence other people's actions. One example is Paul McCartney. I really believe Faul used Paul's mega-popularity to promote the LSD/MKULTRA drug agenda. George Harrison even said after Faul gave that famous LSD interview that the "whole world went crazy."

Powerful people may also choose to have themselves cloned so that they can continue to have power & influence after their original body dies.

Another motivation that comes to mind is creating an alibi or a frame up.

The physical similarities of doubles allows intelligence agencies to place an individual in different places at the same time. One twin could be involved in an illegal or clandestine operation, while the second twin could be in a different location among people who could provide an alibi. If the first twin were identified by witnesses as having committed a crime, then s/he could be apprehended by authorities. When questioned, the first twin would simply provide the names of witnesses who were with the other twin in a different location when the crime was committed. When authorities interviewed those witnesses, and verified the story, the first twin would be released. Unless the authorities knew about the second twin, it would be very difficult to charge the first twin with a crime. In a professional and carefully planned covert operation, no one would realize what had happened, and both twins would walk away. [John Armstrong - www.jfkresearch.com/jfk_101.html]

A similar covert operation could involve one of the twins, "C" (criminal), committing a crime while the second twin, "P" (Patsy - ex. Lee Harvey Oswald), was in a different location and knew nothing about what was happening. Twin "C" would commit the crime in the presence of witnesses, but twin "P" would be identified as the culprit and arrested. "P" would deny any involvement in the crime, but with numerous witnesses he would not be believed. If the twin "P" were killed before having a chance to tell about his twin, then the truth might never be known. [Id.]

[GetSmart]

Falcon, thank you for bringing to our attention these other important motive for doubles.


Having had the odd experience of crossing paths with a number of very wealthy and powerful people, those behind the scenes, not the ones working away in the public eye, I couldn't help but notice that quite a few seemed to be inordinately healthy and young looking for their age.


At first I assumed that it was because they were protected from age inducing stress, having such power and wealth to insulate themselves from unpleasant experiences. But this is unlikely because no amount of money can remove the stress of human existence, which is not simple unless you don't think or feel. If heartless people feel no emotions, then it would be conceivable that they'd 'wear out' less quickly not experiencing the related stress.


My next supposition was that they probably had access to far better medical care than we commoners, and possibly even to miracle anti-ageing drugs which gave them resplendent health. The alternative and less tasteful hypothesis was that they maintained their youthfulness by drinking "adrenalchrome", a substance concentrated in the blood of children terrorized by satanic ritual torture. The Elite are known to scrupulously attend such ceremonies and partake in the drink.


Your alternative suggestion, that cloning has become a wardrobe solution for eternal life, is most compelling. Getting too old and tired? Shed your skin and get into a spanking brand new ride!


Just like trading in a used car, if your mind and memories are moved into a new identical younger and healthier body, the only thing missing would be a transfer of soul. Maybe this can also be done, although they probably only offer this option to the ruling Elite. Lesser mind controlled clones have to do without a soul, and take orders, or else.


Or maybe the ultra-rich and powerful don't even have much of a soul they'd care to take with them? Having sold their soul to the devil, it was no longer their own inhabiting them anyways. So they had nothing to lose by abandoning it. It might actually be a sort of liberation for them to be reborn without such an evil, dark and haunting presence dwelling in the depths of their damned being. Are they in this way able to evade the voyage to Hades?

[faulconandsnowjob]

My research seems to indicate that soul transplants are possible:

Human souls can be extracted from their bodies, reprogrammed while in an etheric state, and inserted into a duplicate physical body. Upon completion, this process results in an individual who shares his or her former superficial identity but is covertly and perhaps unknowingly in complete subservience to the agenda of his or her programmers, to the point of going against his own previous ideals and opinions and instead disseminating disinformation dressed up by the credibility of his former self.
Memory is stored in the etheric, between the mental and etheric bodies, and it can be altered in the human. It can also be erased, and by taking the soul and these bodies from one physical body and putting them into another replica of the physical body, they can actually bring about a changed person with a different philosophy or different values, and yet the entity would essentially be the same personality. it is also on this level that the technique whereby souls can be extracted from the physical and transferred into other bodies or into replicas. That in the transference there can also be the alteration of memories, values and qualities of the soul, so that an entity can appear to be the same, but there will be certain changes that have occurred that may be unseen, and the attitude and purposes and directions of the entity may then be controlled. this occurs when the vibratory qualities of a soul are extracted by these electronic equipment from a body and moved into another. This needs not necessarily be a replica of the entity; it can be a totally different person’s body, in which case it becomes what is termed a walk-in. if it is a replica, it will tend to work with the replica to create the final features that result in a duplication of the features of the entity. This generally takes place on the almost human form, when the mind-state or soul energies, including the various electro-body energies are transferred, and as they begin to grow and attach themselves to that almost human form. The features then begin to solidify, to match the features of the electro-magnetic energies and the soul energies and astral energies and other mental and etheric bodies of the older original being.

[GetSmart]

Oct 11, 2009 21:06:36 GMT -5 @faulconandsnowjob said:

My research seems to indicate that soul transplants are possible...

Faulcon,

You will never cease to surprise us!

If this is the case what better motivation could there be to create a double? A clone of oneself, maybe even with some genetically engineered improvements? Gents will ponder the possibilities.

We can therefore add Eternal Life to the possible motivations of cloning oneself, or an Elite client or sovereign.

Heads of State under one's total discrete and secret control could be a valid motivation for replacing them with synthetics or clones, we know of the incident of father Bush in Tokyo (died at dinner and bounced back in a younger version with freckles), the several glitches with Jimmy Carter needing firmware upgrades, and the well-known G.H.W. Bush cloning with rapidly degenerative speech production, a back mounted control box during his second election campaign and countless logical incoherences and absence of conscience.

Designing super soldiers and invincible warrior spies could figure as a close third place given that sometimes the stakes in conflict situations are measurable, and these are sufficiently demonstrated in James Bond films to not delve further, if only to note a well known doppelganger who is a look-alike for French actress Sophie Marceau, Olga Kurylenko (incidentally this actress was intimate with Illuminati leader and close friend of the Rothschilds French President Francois Mitterrand who may have advanced cloning technology during his 14 years in office).

Control over populations would thus be knocked down a notch into fourth place even if it means power over the final destiny of the planet. Using doubles to operate cultural control through celebrities or entertainers would thus take a hit, being relegated to fourth place.

We can also consider another motivation of Doppels:

For clones to become an army of enslaved technicians without aspirations for freedom, enabling a ruling Elite to survive human extermination while maintaining most of the advantages of a society populated by service providers, minus the issues of needing to respect their innate humanity.

We could be drifting towards a New World Order without room for normal people. There would be GODS with genetically improved "Designer Genes", "beautiful people" with culture gained over multiple lifetimes, having the vantage point of lengthy experience and the accumulated wealth and power and position only accorded people living in a world with great resources allocated only to a few individuals. In such a NWO the clones would go about their normal order of business thanks to genetic firmware and mind controlled software designed for them to work without qualms about the extermination of the rest of humanity or their own dismal existential conditions.

Technological progress allowing, the Illuminati may have fine-tuned their plans far beyond what has now become the obsolescent Utopia of 1984.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Getsmart: I'm posting what you posted on ATS here.

"... The cloning program is there to develop designer bodies for the reptilians of the "in between world" that would not require the overpowering of an already incarnate consciousness.

Once activated, the DNA opens the body to possession by these reptilians and other beings, and this is what is happening, for example, to Freemasons in the rituals that most of them deliver in parrot fashion, while having no idea of their vibrational significance. This is why the Illuminati are so obsessed with knowing a person's bloodline. They know which bloodlines have the potential for this activation and possession and which ones do not.

The Mormon Church genealogical data base and now the DNA data banks are designed to identify those with the bloodline. These are the people who are given jobs and roles that serve the Illuminati agenda, while most of them have no idea what is really going on and what they are being used for. Their DNA is then activated and they go through a "change of character" (a phrase I have heard so many times in relation to such people once they advance in the system) and a very different consciousness takes over their mental and emotional processes.

Each new generation of the Illuminati bloodline families is exposed to the appropriate ritual to activate their possession by the reptilian entities and so the cycle continues.

Apparently, this DNA infiltration is known within the inner circles of the British royal family as the "family disease". They are actually in fear of it, because they know that once it is activated, they will be taken over. But of course they are caught in a world of constant ritual and ceremony designed specifically to activate their possession. Without the ritual they cannot be the royal family, but with the ritual, they are activated and possessed. The thought and emotional processes of the UK's Queen Mother are not those of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, the little girl officially born into that body. They are controlled by the reptilian entity, or entities, which possessed her after her hybrid DNA activation..."

Reptilian Bloodlines
hardtruth.navhost.com/bloodlines.html

[lucy]

I watched a video that was sharing teachings of the Freemasons. They search for eternal life, and will use clones and other bodies to perpetuate this.

Makes me wonder if something like "Death Becomes Her" actually exists...some sort of Black Magick that enables celebrities to live in seclusion....perhaps they have the clones working the "stage and film"....

[faulconandsnowjob]

perhaps they have the clones working the "stage and film"....

Kind of like in "Surrogates?"

[lucy]

What I was thinking is this...those big stars..no matter how hard they try age. They get old and wear out. I don't know...maybe some of those icons left the scene and we have been told they died of overdoses, committed suicide, was killed in some "accident" or was killed by someone else's hand....but exist in some occultic "place"..maybe there was some sort of witchcraft spell they underwent or some ritual and a shapeshifting entity took over their image and that is the "image" we see.

Just a thought. Not saying that I wholeheartedly believe in such a place ...but have wondered if there was some sort of occultic ritual these famous people took part in...and strange creatures came as a result...

Hmmmm

[faulconandsnowjob]

What you just made me think of is maybe these stars have their souls transplanted into "updated" versions of themselves. I think Getsmart has already suggested that...

[GetSmart]

Hi Faulcon,

Thanks for reposting that source of info which is a very interesting analysis of this phenomenon. I am really wondering who or WHAT is behind this stuff. I did once witness a Reptilian entity which I posted about in the Clone thread at ATS and which probably discredited anything else I may have said there up to that point. But that doesn't matter because for mainstream folks the rest was pretty much way out there also.

So I am forced to wonder just what is going on with respect to the entities behind these clones and doppelgangers. Who is putting them in place and who is pulling the strings. Because to operate an agenda of Population Control and mass manipulation there is absolutely no need either for duplicates or for clones.

For example in the case of The Beatles, they have time on their side and could have started over with a new band. They didn't have to swap them out for fakes. Something entirely different is going on. I think that there is some sort of Agenda to play out the past in present times, bringing back to life as many important actors of human history for a forthcoming event such as 2012 or something else we are not informed of. Of course some of these are clones of Bloodline people, but some are of non bloodliners who rose to fame and fortune by their capabilities and not because of their genetics. Plus today there are already a lot of bloodline carriers available without needing to clone them from the very distant past. The demonic possession issue is probably a factor, but I don't buy it as being the central fundamental motive for this extensive cloning. Something else is up, I sense.

I don't know if there isn't some other form of "occupation" of our planet. I don't think we are about to face an Alien invasion, because it is starting to look more and more like we were invaded a very long time ago and that we have been left in the trust of secret society caretakers. They are not our shepherds as much as our farmers, raising us like so many heads of cattle. For what finality?

We don't know and maybe they don't know either. It may be a forgotten reason from orders given by Alien visitors eons ago but which were scrupulously obeyed through secret societies which are not by coincidence also called "obediences". Possibly we will encounter the Alien rulers or Gods who gave these instructions ages ago and will be confronted with the cold harsh truth or our human condition which may be less enviable than that of farm animals. George Orwell's novel Animal Farm comes to mind, and it may be no coincidence that he came up with that book as well as 1984.

While the idea of a faked Alien invasion is conceivable, using holograms beamed down by satellite to simulate religious revelations or miracles and simulating UFO attacks using our own technology kept secret for half a century, this cannot explain the treasure of efforts deployed to create and bring to power an army of clones and to penetrate all media and cultural arts with doppelgangers too.

Something awfully strange is going on and this is one important riddle we need to solve.