Lee Harvey Oswald

[faulconandsnowjob]

He wanted to print interest free money

Ah... yes, that would do it. I just finished watching this really excellent video about the international bankers & how they control govts & kill anyone who tries to take any of their power away:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#

According to William Cooper, Division 5 of FBI, Naval intelligence, & CIA were involved in the JFK assassination. Maybe he said another agency that I've forgotten now...

[lucy]

According to the David Icke book, Mossad was involved as well as Jewish Mafia...and I don't know if I mentioned that here or another forum...So if I repeat...please excuse me...don't mean to.

[GetSmart]

Oct 18, 2009 19:21:53 GMT -5 GetSmart said:

The Fake FOSWALD and Tsar Alexander III: different chins

This second photo of Oswald shows a considerably thinner chin pointing out that it probably wasn't the real Oswald who got arrested and murdered by Jack Ruby.

The Romanov Oswald is a very close match to Tsar Alexander III who also had a squarish chin. Cloning this Tsar was possibly intended to infiltrate the Soviet Union with an Imperial Tsarist implant. That would have left the option open for him to later reveal himself to the Russian people by "coming out of the woodwork or out of the woods" as in the German Aus Wald which phonetically sounds identical to Oswald. By a stretch of the imagination Lee Harvey sounds like the French for "the arrival of" or L'arrivee.


This would make his full name signify:

The arrival from out of the woods Lee Harvey Oswald

Oct 18, 2009 19:21:53 GMT -5 GetSmart said:

The Real OSWALD and Tsar Alexander III: a Clone?

[faulconandsnowjob]

German Aus Wald which phonetically sounds identical to Oswald.

Actually, "aus Wald" would sound like "ow-s Vault." I always thought "Oswald" was a corruption of "Ostwald," which would be "East forest/woods." However, I suppose it could be "aus [dem] Wald," which would be "out of the forest/woods."

[hotman637]

The "Oswalds" were hillbillies!!Just like the Kennedy's.It was all a hillbilly feud.I should write a book," The Hillbilly Conspiracy,are we Controlled by Hillbillies?"Rehtorical question.

[GetSmart]

Oct 24, 2009 12:49:18 GMT -5 @faulconandsnowjob said:

German Aus Wald which phonetically sounds identical to Oswald.

Actually, "aus Wald" would sound like "ow-s Vault." I always thought "Oswald" was a corruption of "Ostwald," which would be "East forest/woods."...

That was conjecture, something that seemed like their brand of twisted humor. However it was a long shot and it was probably not the origin of his name. Regardless, that he would be issued a Tsar's DNA and then stationed in the Soviet Union for espionage purposes is more than a coincidence.

[beatlies]

Interesting that Nazi-backed-CIA-Lee Harvey Oswald's name antecedent was the British 1930s, pro-Nazi-Germany leader OSWALD Mosely:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y2sJ_Evh50

"Here comes Mister Oswald with the swastika tattoo"---Elvis Costello

[beatlies]

Also posted in the Operation Mockingbird
(CIA media control) thread:


my-retrospace.blogspot.com/2008/09/ventriloquist-and-jfk-assassination.html

Saturday, September 13, 2008

The Ventriloquist and the JFK Assassination
The Beverly Massegee LP has become something of an all-star in the world of bad albums. You can listen to a sound clip from it at bizarrerecords.com and read about it in the book Horrifically Bad Album Covers, which I own and love.

The biggest oddity surrounding this album is not the strangeness of the record, but Beverly herself. Many believe she is actually the Babushka Lady. Let me repeat this to ensure that you hear me loud and clear - Beverly is the Babushka Lady. That's the woman who filmed JFK up close at the very moment he was assassinated! Here she is at the scene of the crime.



To read more on her possible connection and witness to the president's assassination go here. I'm not much of a JFK assassination expert, so I really can't make heads or tails of how credible the story is. But it does seem like a strong possibility that she was actually there.

What's perhaps even more interesting is that Beverly Massegee (then Beverly Oliver) was a strip club dancer and was a regular entertainer at Jack Ruby's club, the Carousel. Now, what are the odds that an affiliate of Ruby, the guy who would kill Lee Harvey Oswald, would just happen to be at the exact spot of the Kennedy assassination? True or not, the mystery is extremely intriguing.




Side note: Don't you find it kind of strange that a ventriloquist act would even make a record? Isn't the whole basis of ventriloquism, like a magic show, in the presentation? Yet, believe it or not, there was actually an entire sub-genre of ventriloquist records! We live in a strange and interesting world.


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5 comments:
Pierre Fournier said...
Edgar Bergen worked his Charlie McCarthy puppet on RADIO for 19 years!

September 14, 2008 12:15 AM
Uranium Willy said...
Sorry my comment is off topic. That can be frustrating I know. Thanks for the heads up about the Collector post. I removed the post and ow it all works, in IE and my other browsers. The only thing I can think of is I used a new video capture program GOM, that really looks nice, the captures. But the two images that were not GOM appeared then all posts vanished after them. WTF!!!! I have been here for 3 hours dealing with this crap again damn... now I am too tired to do a new post or practice my music stuff.

Maybe I can convert the files or something. Why is this stuff so hard. It is hard enough to jut do the work, much less this tech crap all the time.

Okay, a comment: How damn funny could a ventriloquist album be? I thought half the humor was watching the human and puppet interact/

September 14, 2008 3:04 AM
gilligan said...
pierre- good point. Wasn't Edgar Bergen Candice Bergen's dad?

bill- I just checked your site, and things seem to be looking good again. I plan to read your post on the Collector as soon as I get a chance. Hang in there.

September 14, 2008 10:26 AM
Uranium Willy said...
As I said there was issues with some files from my new GOM player, which takes great looking caps. I had to rename all the files in an editor and they seem to be fine now.

A lot of information here lately that you tie together quickly. Your various sites, like the country friend idioms and stuff. I guess I do not have a mind that ties together varied but related topics like that. I sort of focus on one thing and may have blinders on. I am going to do the Miranda movie essay after a few more posts.

Thanks for the media (it does work in my IE or Safari browsers...not my Mozilla).

Bill

September 14, 2008 11:21 PM
The King Of Cool said...
I never knew there were even albums like this. That's definitely one of the strange things out there in music. I guess if they had ventriloquists on the radio back in the day, then they could do albums as well. I wonder what these were like.

I don't know as much about the conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK assassination as some people do. I do find that quite weird that she was there and her connection to Ruby. It does make you think.

September 17, 2008 8:41 AM
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[beatlies]

Beverly Massegee's website!
Note the JFK section.


www.massegee.org/Donations.htm

[GetSmart]

I'd be ready to place a bet that those ventriloquist and puppet act Radio Shows were used to make improbable off the cuff comments which included Mind Control messages and signals to trigger behavior and convey tacit orders. We can imagine a ventriloquist conveying spy messages, I even remember a movie about that once. There is substantially no difference in this case, except that the recipients do not consciously know they are receiving a message. Why else would you put a visual spectacle on a non visual medium?

[beatlies]

The revolving actors, role play meta-character known as "Lee Harvey Oswald"/Alec Hidell/Leon Oswald/"Ozzy the Rabbit" etc.

[GetSmart]

Regarding Lee Harvey Oswald, this was originally posted in the excellent Above Top Secret thread which follows:


Imposter-replaCIAments: they don't want you to know

Originally posted by switching yard
As we all (so far) on this thread are aware, there were the "many faces of Lee Harvey Oswald" to add to our growing list of known replaCIAments.

The first time I became interested in the concept of intelligence agencies using doubles was when I realized through JFK assassination research that not one but several doubles were used to impersonate LHO.

When you study the JFK assassination, it's number one, obvious it was an intelligence agency black ops and number two, there are so many layers of confusion it's very difficult to sort out the "real" and "true" from CIA actors playing parts in order to create a "legend".

I'm sure Getsmart can elucidate on some of these concepts... "sheep dipping" and "legend" being two favorite techniques of CIA and MI5 or whatever the MI in UK.

So much of the black ops are, I think, agents being actors playing roles. At one time, I theorized that every major figure surrounding "Oswald" and "Marina" plus the two of them, their scant "relatives" and in fact Ruby were ALL agency actors playing roles. We'll never know, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if LHO, Marina, Marguerite, brother Robert, the Paines, de Mohrenschilt, Jack Ruby plus all the other characters like David Ferrie, Clay Shaw and all the rest of them were all agent/actors playing roles.

Somehow, I think that the moment JFK was shot or moments later, LHO or the person set up to be LHO suddenly realized he was being framed. But before the shooting, I think LHO thought he was one of a team of agency operatives working an assignment of some sort. When LHO asked for "legal representation or someone to come forward" in jail, he was actually asking CIA/FBI to get him out of the frame up, but of course they were the ones who set him up and as terrifying as it is, I think he knew he'd been had and there was no way out. Of course, they shut him up by way of agent Ruby, probably after some part of the plan went wrong. I think LHO was supposed to have been killed within an hour or so of the assassination, but something went wrong.

Hi Switching Yard,


Thanks for your strong vote of confidence, but I am not yet familiar with the impersonation techniques you mentioned, although I had heard of such occurrences without knowing there was a name for such acts.


Regarding them all being accomplices conspiring to Take Out the President of the United States, you'd almost think you are pointing at a Conspiracy Theory ? But maybe your intuition was revealing. Here is another clue, which ties together the CIA, the Nazi aftermath transfer to the USA, and the Kennedy Assassination.


First, you should click to enlarge and download the highest resolution of the photograph presented for the past couple of years under the following link:


Wikipedia: Operation Paperclip


Then use your cursor to scroll to the right until you reach the center of that photograph, which has been downsized and displayed below, to see where the 2 individuals I have circled in RED are located in this picture.


Operation Paperclip Group Photo


FULL SIZE pic go here == i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo36/getsmartwakeup/ProjectPaperclipLeeHarveyOswaldandJ.jpg


Then take a closer look of these 2 men which I zoomed in on to enlarge from the fairly low quality original picture which was probably scanned from a print source, given its tell tale shadow pattern. Don't they look similar to 2 key individuals closely associated with the assassination of John F. Kennedy ?


Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald Lookalikes



There are others involved in the Kennedy Assassination who also appear to be in this photograph, which is presented by various sources on the Internet as regrouping former Nazi scientists working for the USA stationed at Fort Bliss New Mexico (a few miles south of Alamagordo). Also present in this same picture are several noteworthy founders of the CIA. Is this a coincidence, or trick photography ?

[beatlies]

Verrry interesting, GetSmart. I'd like to see follow-up posts on this if there are any.

That photo is chilling: a veritable "Legion of Doom." They should have all been under guard and in the dock at the Nuremberg Trials or with EIchmann in Jerusalem. Completely nauseating.

[fauxster]

[fauxster]

www.jfklancer.com/Page4.html

Oswald the Impostor

* . . . It was inconceivable to us that someone would have been impersonating Oswald -- for what purpose, you see?*
-- CIA's *John Scelso* to Michael Goldsmith of the HSCA
In any event, when we consider the possibility of a second Oswald or of Oswald's having been impersonated in these southern Texas sightings in early October, we need to note that whoever this was did not appear to have been behaving in an especially suspicious or violent manner -- unlike a number of multiple Oswald sightings in and around Dallas in the days and weeks immediately preceding the assassination. Virtually all of the sightings involving potential Oswalds and, for that matter, potential Marinas discussed in this paper -- with the exception of the Irving Furniture Mart's being confused for a gun shop -- do not appear to have been directly involved in the plot to implicate Oswald as the lone nut assassin. In fact, the *Oswald* seen in Alice and neighboring cities and towns appears to have been doing nothing more than what he would have been expected to be doing had he not already caught a bus back to Dallas: looking for a job. So it is important to recognize that the Oswald *family* sightings appear to be in a second category of possible attempts to impersonate Oswald which may NOT be directly related to the assassination.

A third type of Oswald impersonation efforts dates back as far as 1961, when Oswald was in the Soviet Union and his identity was being *sheep-dipped* in absentia in the United States. We know that for whatever reason, someone tried to link Oswald's name with the purchase trucks from a New Orleans Ford dealer on behalf of an anti-Castro group, the Friends of Democratic Cuba, prior to the Bay of Pigs in early 1961. (46) We also know that a former Dallas radio station executive, Ray Carnay, told the FBI three days after the assassination that he had been contacted repeatedly by Oswald in Dallas during the summer of 1961 -- both in person and on the telephone -- and that this particular Oswald, a self-described Castro sympathizer, had tried to convince him to cease and desist anti-Castro activities and to turn over a list of names of pilots seeking to be involved in a post Bay-of-Pigs invasion of Cuba. The real Oswald, of course, supposedly was working at a radio factory in Minsk at the time. (47)

With the release of primary-source documents pursuant to the 1992 law, the evidence that Oswald may in fact have been impersonated over a period of years for a variety of reasons and in a number of locations just keeps piling up. For example, one release from *96 which provides additional fodder for proof of imposture in Mexico City is a November 27, 1963, memo from Winston Scott to Legal Attache Clark D. Anderson which says that the final one in a series of phone calls to the Soviet embassy in Mexico City regarding Oswald's visa request came from a man who was suspected NOT to be Oswald because of the broken Spanish and English spoken (rather than Russian). The call also came in at 1539 hours on October 3rd -- after Oswald is supposed to have been back in Dallas. (48)

Each one of the expanding number of categories of possible Oswald impersonation efforts points to new layers of mystery and complexity surrounding Oswald and his identity. (Hoover, of course, was concerned as far back as 1960 about the possibility of an impostor's using Oswald's birth certificate.) And more recently, some of John Armstrong's fascinating and disturbing work seems to suggest at least two different historical paper trails for both Oswald and his mother dating back as far as 1948! (49)) As additional documents continue to be declassified and analyzed, much more remains to be developed with respect the number and type of categories into which the Oswald sightings may be disaggregated. It is my belief that these categories are indicative of deep intelligence connections, only some of which may relate directly to the assassination.

New Orleans - Mexico City - Dallas?

Finally, I think that the following should be considered when attempting to evaluate that part of the official dogma which holds that the same the man gunned down by Ruby in Dallas on November 24 is also the same man who supposedly leaves New Orleans, rides a bus to Mexico City, visits both embassies, and hops a bus back to Dallas before surfacing on October 3.

The FBI and the Warren Commission had an exceedingly difficult time pinning down the initial leg of Oswald's bus trip back from Mexico City until Marina supposedly stumbled across a treasure trove of evidence in AUGUST of 1964 (!) concerning her late husband's alleged activities and travels. (50)
As mentioned earlier, Mexican immigration records relating to the cancellation of his tourist permit at Nuevo Laredo on October 3, indicate that his method of travel was in an auto (and that his destination was New Orleans, not Dallas).
In wondering what possible REASON the man going to Mexico City could have had to stop off in Alice, Texas of all places -- either prior to or perhaps even in lieu of a return trip to Dallas -- I have found a potential explanation. For whatever it is worth, one FBI document I have located describes Oswald's peripatetic seat-mate on the bus down to Mexico City, everyone's favorite itinerant preacher Albert Osborne (a.k.a. John Howard Bowen), as a "frequent visitor" to the home of the Reverend Joe Amarine of the Southern Baptist Church in "of all places" Alice, Texas. (51)

"There certainly were a lot of reasons why someone might want to impersonate Oswald. Oswald could have been the patsy he claimed to be; someone may have just been setting him up."
-- Goldsmith's response to "Scelso"

"Since there is a possibility that an imposter is using Oswald's birth certificate, any current information the Department of State may have concerning subject will be appreciated."
-- J. Edgar Hoover memo to State Department, 6/3/60