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Post by faulconandsnowjob on May 31, 2009 2:01:37 GMT -5
Around 40 minutes in, John Lear talks about who killed Kennedy:
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Jun 8, 2009 2:03:30 GMT -5
Dr. Peter Beter's take on how JFK was killed:
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Jun 12, 2009 20:45:32 GMT -5
Here's the Zapruder film - you can see that something blew up in JfK's face:
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Jun 18, 2009 21:17:06 GMT -5
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Jun 23, 2009 2:34:23 GMT -5
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Post by beatlies on Jul 16, 2009 13:33:50 GMT -5
Media pre-clues/signals to the JFK assassination coup in November 1963; they were caught by Eugene Dinkins--- www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg10848.html[CTRL] The Strange Tale of Eugene Dinkins RoadsEnd Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:33:20 -0500 -Caveat Lector- In this story is one of the raison d' etre of this list. What I call 'reading the river.' Eugene Dinkins called it "exercise in 'psychological sets.'" Om K -----
The Strange Tale of Eugene Dinkins by Robert Mitchell
The amazing facts contained in the follow- ing F.B.l. document, which we are reprinting in full, are true. Dinkin's story has been verified through the existence of cablegrams between the C.l.A.'s Geneva and Washington offices. both before and after the Kennedy assassination. Careful examina- tion of those cablegrams, as well as other documents. reveal that the C.I.A. actively tried to coverup the fact that prior to November 22, 1963 PFC Dinkin was at- tempting to reveal the existence of a plot to assassinate Kennedy. The cablegrams also, reveal that efforts were made to silence Dinkin and suppress the story.
Following the assassination, published reports revealed that someone had advance information of the assassination. and the Warren Commission requested to be fur- nished documents relative to the allegation.
In a secret memo to J. Lee Rankin, Chief Council of the Warren Commission, C.I.A. Deputy Director Richard Helms states "Im- mediately AFTER the assassination (our source in) Geneva, Switzerland reported allegations concerning a plot to assassinate President Kennedy were made by PFC Eugene Dinkin, U.S. Army, on 6 and 7 November. 1963." But Helms appeared to be withholding the fact that the Agency had knowledge of Dinkin's allegations prior to the assassination.
One of the cablegrams, titled "IN CABLE No. 56631," dated November 7 1963. reported on Dinkin's background and allega- tions of a plot. At the end of the cable, Geneva asked: "DIRECTOR: Advise any ac- tion desired. will continue to monitor developments via army attache, F.B.l, Geneva contacts, but will not become involv- ed visavis Swiss unless so directed." Thus. the C.I. A.. and others in the intelligence communi- ty had full knowledge of Dinkin's assertions. prior to the assassination.
Evidence abounds that the cables were weighted with subliminal suggestions, design- ed to give a predisposition to the notion that PFC Dinkin was mentally unstable. For exam- ple, cablegrams tend to be written in short. choppy sentences. often including abbrevia- tions. omitting articles, and avoiding adjec- tives. However. when Dinkin is referred to, adjectives are freely added, intending to imp- ly that Dinkin was a crackpot. "IN CABLE 56631" dated November 16. 1963 refers to Dinkin's "Wild but amazing coincidence. . . " and states that Dinkin ". . . had given his wild story in Souisee"(Switzerland). Later, it states that a Time-Life stringer ". . . RECOLLECTED. OR THOUGHT SHE RECOLLECTED TALE TOLD BY SUBJ." This wording subtly-throws a shadow of doubt on the corroborating reporter. Dinkin is further referred to as "unbalanced" on two separate occasions in this one, short cable.
Evidence that the C.I.A. tried to suppress the story and keep it from coming to the at- tention of the Secret Service, also, emerges. In early cable communications, pertinent facts are conspicuously absent, thus carefully suppressed. Coupled with evidence that the cables were weighted in an obvious attempt to discredit Dinkin indicates that the C. I. A. was trying to cover up the matter prior to the Kennedy assassination in an effort to silence the many who were attempting to expose the plot But for the two journalists in Geneva. the story might never have sur- faced.
The shocking tale of what happened to Eugene Dinkin following his revelations has finally come to light It includes frame up. false arrest and imprisonment. unlawful medical treatment. and medical malpractice. Dinkin has also suffered libel and misrepresentation at the hands of the Government.
Mr. Eugene B. Dinkin, 534 West Oakdale, Chicago. Illinois, advised that he had been recently discharged from the United States Army after having been in detention for four months while undergoing psychiatric tests. Dinkin advised that while stationed in Europe with the U.S. Army in 1963. he had begun a review of several newspapers in- cluding the Stars and Stripes as an exercise in "psychological sets." He explained that he had taken courses in psychology at college and was extremely interested in this subject matter. He advised that "psychological sets'' was a term referring to a series of events, ar- ticles, etcetera which, when coupled together, set up or induce a certain frame of mind on the part of a person being exposed to the series. He stated that this method of implanting an idea was much in use by the "Madison Avenue" advertising people who attempted to influence one who was expos- ed to these "psychological sets" to "buy" the product being advertised, whether this produce was physical or an idea.
Dinkin stated that while so reviewing the newspapers for "psychological sets" he discovered that Stars and Stripes, as well as certain unidentified Hearst newspapers, were carrying a series of "psychological sets" which he believed were deliberately maneuvered to set up a subconscious belief on the part of one reading these papers to the effect that President John F. Kennedy was "soft on communism" or "perhaps a communist sympathizer." Further study of these newspapers and the "psychological sets" contained therein made it evident to Mr. Dinkin that a conspiracy was in the mak- ing by the "military" of the United States. perhaps combined with an "ultra-right economic group," to make the people of the United States believe that President Ken- nedy was, in fact. a communist sympathizer and further, that this same group planned to assassinate the President and thus was prepar- ing these "psychological sets" to pave the way for this assassination to the point where the average citizen might well feel that "President Kennedy was sympathetic to communism and should have been killed. " In addition. Dinkin believed the "psychological sets" were adjusted to present a subliminal predisposition to the effect that a "com- munist" would assassinate President Ken- nedy.
Dinkin advised that he discussed his theories with certain individuals stationed with him in the Army, but had declined to furnish this information to persons of authority in the United States Army since he believed that the plot against President Ken- nedy was being set in motion by high ranking members of the military. He said that in Oc- tober, 1963. his research had not, in fact, reflected a certain date. but that he believed the assassination would take place on or about a religious or semi religious occasion which he felt would be picked by the group behind this plot in order that the murder itself would become even more reprehensi- ble to the average citizen because of the religious connotations, since he believed that the plot consisted in part of throwing blame for the assassination onto "radical left-wing" or "communist" suspects, he stated that the religious tie-in would lead the average citizen to accept more readily the theory that a "communist" committed the crime since "they were an atheistic group anyway."
Dinkins advised that he had been in trouble with the officers of his military group, the 599th Ordinance Group stationed in Ger- many, due to his refusal to purchase United States savings bonds. He stated that he was against the enforced purchase of these bonds because of his political convictions which made him believe that the United States should not spend 52 per cent of its income for material of war, part of which would be financed by any enforced purchases made by him. He stated that he had been outspoken in his views concerning these bond purchases, and that he and others who felt that compulsory purchase of bonds was an infringement on their civil rights, had been denied "passes" as a result of their stand.
As a result of his opposition to the bond purchases. according to Dinkin, he was removed from his position in the code sec- tion and transferred to an Army Depot at Metz. France. On October 25, 1963. Dinkin went to the United States Embassy at Lux- embourg where, he stated, he attempted for several hours so see a Mr. Cunningham, the Charge D'Affaires at the Embassy. He stated that he sent word to Mr. Cunningham that he had information concerning a plot to assassinate President Kennedy, and at one point spoke to Mr. Cunningham by phone. He said that Cunningham refused to see him in person or to review the newspapers and research papers which Dinkin said were evidence proving his theory of the impending assassination. Dinkin advised that he spent ap- proximately two hours with the United States Marine Corps guard at the Luxem- bourg Embassy and had generally set forth his theories to this individual, whose name he did not know.
Following this incident, Dinkin was notified by his superiors that he was to undergo psychiatric evaluation on November 5, 1963. Due to this pending development, Dinkin said he went absent without leave to Geneva Switzerland, where he attempted to present his theory to the editor of the "Geneva Diplomat," a newspaper published in Geneva. Switzerland. In addition to this editor, Dinkin spoke to a Mr. Dewhirst (phonetic). a Newsweek reporter based at Geneva. Dewhirst would not listen to Dinkin's theories. While in Switzerland, Dinkin attempted to contact officials of Time-Life publications and succeeded in speaking to the secretary, name unknown, of this organization in Zurich. According to Dinkin, all of his efforts in Luxembourg and Switzerland were made to present to ap- propriate officials his warning of the impen- ding assassination of President Kennedy. He stated that he did not attempt to see these people in connection with his personal dissatisfaction with the program of the United States Army in regards to bond pur- chases.
When he was unable to accomplish his pur- pose in Switzerland. Dinkin advised that he then returned to Germany where he gave himself up to the custody of the military authorities.
Dinkin advised that he first became aware of this "plot" to assassinate President Ken- nedy in September. 1963. At first, he did not have enough facts, as taken from the newspapers, to support his theory, but as of October 16. 1963, he felt that his research into the "psychological sets" had substan- tiated his theory. As of October 16. 1963. he wrote a registered letter to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy in which letter he set forth his theory that President Ken- nedy would be assassinated, adding that he believed that this assassination would occur on or about November 28. 1963. He stated that he signed this letter with his own name and requested he be interviewed by a representative of the Justice Department.
He said that on the envelope, he placed the return address name of PFC Dennis De Witt an Army friend. He said he did this to preclude anyone from intercepting this letter since he felt that Army authorities might well be censoring his mail. He stated that he never received any answer to this letter, nor was he ever contacted by any representative of the Justice Department prior to his interview with agents of the Federal Bureau of In- vestigation.
Dinkin advised that on his return to the custody of the United Sates Army in November 1963, he was held in detention. While in detention. he stated he was con- tacted by a white male who identified himself verbally as a representative of the Defense Department. This individual asked Dinkin for the location of the newspapers which Dinkin had compiled as his proof of the theory of the assassination of President Kennedy. This individual stated that he desired to obtain these proofs and would furnish Dinkin a receipt for the papers. Dinkin advised that he instructed this individual as to where the papers were located at the base, at which point this man left. Dinkin advised that on his release from detention, he discovered that all of his papers and notes were missing and presumed that the individual mentioned above had taken them. He never received any receipt for his papers.
Mr. Dinkin advised that he had undergone numerous psychiatric tests at Walter Reed Army Hospital in Washington. D.C. He stated that he was aware that the Army psychiatrist had declared him to be "psychotic" and a "paranotic." He said that several of the tests given him were familiar to him from his studies in psychology at the University of Chicago. Because of his familiarity with these tests, and his background knowledge as to what the test answers should be, he believed it impossible that the results of these tests could have shown him to be "psychotic" and ' 'paranotic.'' He stated that: if he had desired. he could have "faked" the answers to prove he was sane even if he were, in fact. mentally disturbed. Mr. Dinkin stated he believed that the psychiatric evaluation given him by the Army psychiatrist was, in fact. and attempt on their part to cover up the military plot which he had attempted to expose.
Dinkin advised that during his detention at Walter Reed Army Hospital, arrangements had been made through his family for him to be given a psychiatric test by a private psychiatrist chosen by his family. He stated when these arrangements were finally made, he had declined the services at this private physician. Dinkin explained that he had reach- ed a point where his only desire was to be released from custody and discharged from the Army. He stated that in order to do this, he had felt it necessary to "go along" with the examining Army psychiatrist and pretend that he had. in fact been suffering from delu- sions but was now cured. He was afraid that if an outside psychiatrist should examine him and be told by Dinkin the facts as set forth herein, that this psychiatrist would probably believe Dinkin to be mentally disturbed. and this would result in further detention. Mr. Dinkin stated that he was well aware that his theory and the facts surrounding his attempts to bring the theory to the proper authorities was extremely "wild" and could be con- strued by a person untrained in psychology to be "crazy." Despite this, Mr. Dinkin advised he was still of the belief that there had been, in fact. a plot plot perpetrated by a "military group" in the United States and aided and abetted by newspaper personnel working with this military group, which plot had to do with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. -YIPster Times, Jan/Feb. 1977
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Post by J Gimmysum Truth on Jul 29, 2009 1:25:54 GMT -5
feedproxy.google.com/~r/BlackOpRadio/~3/tnejfqIqJ_w/black425c.mp3Show #425 Part 3 - Mark Lane Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:00 PM Oswald's Political Background * The murder weapon changes early on * Identifying Oswald... Someone had to have informed on him * The speed and accuracy of the Mannlicher Carcano is questionable at best * The ammunition was extremely faulty with many hang-fires and duds * Only an expert could have possibly performed the shooting... Oswald was a poor shot * Reasons why Oswald could never have practiced on weekends at any rifle range * A gunsmith had mounted a scope for "an Oswald" but it could not have been a Mannlicher Carcano * The Carcano was apparently sent with a scope mounted already * Fingerprints found on the rifle and boxes could not have been Oswald's * Daryl Click, the apparent taxi getaway driver did not exist * The paraffin test proved negative to facial powder burns... Oswald never fired a gun that day * The Tippit murderer could not have been Oswald. The eyewitness described a different man -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Oct 7, 2009 2:32:22 GMT -5
About 1/2 way thru about JFK/LHO
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Post by lucy on Oct 8, 2009 20:06:32 GMT -5
The single bullet theory has so many holes in it....
I remember seeing a documentary some years ago about the actual car Kennedy was killed in. It was sent back to the Ford factory and the man who worked on the car remembered there was a shot in the windshield. But there was something fishy going on and when the car left the factory, there was no "report" about a hole being in the windshield. They didn't want the record of having a shot coming from in the front.
While there may have been something planted on the car, there were shots that hit the Gov. Connelly that could not have been the same shot that killed KEnnedy.
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Oct 8, 2009 20:18:42 GMT -5
William Cooper seems to have an explanation for why JFK's brain was switched
They did silence him, eventually...
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Post by lucy on Oct 18, 2009 16:20:01 GMT -5
Did they take his brain to use in cloning or some other bizarre research?
Strange how that Ruby shot Oswald or Foswald and then he died of "cancer" a few years after the assassination of JFK???
One bullet could not have been shot from behind because the exit would was on the back of JFK's head.
In 88 there were some documentaries that showed graphic pics of the dead president and the wound on the neck was not big. When you see the Zapruder film you see him bring his hands up to his neck...the Gov in front of him turns and then you see the exploding mass of brain blowing out behind him. While there may have been an explosive devise in the car, this is the first I've ever heard of that...you can see in the background some figures dressed in dark clothing running the other way of the car. If someone had shot him from that grassy area, they would not have run following the car, as a spectator may have done to see what happened. But you can also see, a few feet away, another figure running away from the direction that the car is going.
There's been alot of History channel presentations on the subject. The material I am looking at are vintage footage of the event...not the talking heads or other reports afterwards kinda crap. They had some footage where people who were by a fence saw someone shooting from behind the fence from where they were.
I remember watching a documentary in the 25th Anniversary in 1988 and there was a police motorcycle that had recorded the event and there were experts who swore they could hear 4 shots fired.
One bullet could not have done that damage to two men from behind and especially from a building some distance away. Even the best sharpshooter there ever was could not shoot from behind and no exit wound on the front of the president's face or body. His face was intact.
It's funny that the so called report in Bethesda,MD was different from the autopsy report that was done in Dallas. They did some "work" on the dead body in MD to make it fit their pile of crap. There was a man (vintage footage) who was in the Dallas autopsy and the wound in his neck was not very big, about the size of a pencil ...but when he had seen pictures that were released, the wound on the neck was much larger.
They did a fine job of putting the scalp back in place and making it look like he wasn't shot in the head, but there was a graphic pic that showed the skull. (This was in the '88 documentary)
I've seen bogus ones in the past few years that call people Conspiracy theorists and they are all wrong about JFK..it was one lone gunman...one lone bullet...even though there were claimed 3 shots by Oswald in a short period of time. Some so called expert claims it could have been done. Blah, blah, blah....
Perhaps a fake Oswald did shoot, but the wimpy little dork who was taken by police and shot by "Ruby" was not the same man. I highly doubt a little dorky fellow could handle a rifle, much less shoot with any accuracy. The big husky Foswald may have been the shooter, but he wasn't alone...and it wasn't his shot that killed Kennedy...
Not buying it....
Also not buying the oceanfront property in Utah they are also trying to sell...
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Post by GetSmart on Oct 18, 2009 19:21:53 GMT -5
Maybe the multiple photos showing poorly disguised versions of Lee Harvey Oswald were a diversionary tactic? This way nobody would realize that he was a clone, and so was (were) his double(s). Did the CIA want to poke fun at the Soviets by sending a Russian lookalike to spy on them? Or was he to be used to keep an option open of possibly one day restoring Tsarist Russia with a plant? Regardless, there is nonetheless an unusual resemblance between L.H.O and H.R.H. Tsar Alexander III.
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Post by lucy on Oct 18, 2009 20:38:26 GMT -5
It would not be a stretch if Oswald may have been part of some Illuminati bloodline.
Though I have not read about it, does not mean that somewhere the information exists.
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Oct 19, 2009 0:41:50 GMT -5
Did they take his brain to use in cloning or some other bizarre research? According to William Cooper, they shot JFK w/ a bullet that had been poisoned - just in case the bullet didn't do the job. So, maybe that was what they didn't want discovered. It might have made the "lone gunman" story a harder sell. It might have also led the investigation to the intell services. The guy who was arrested was probably Alex Hiddell, a guy who did speak Russian. The *real* Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly did not (according to John Anderson). I think it's terrible what happened to whoever it was who was assassinated by Jack Ruby. Does anyone happen to know if JFK ever threatened the big bankers/Federal Reserve? I'm just noticing that whoever tries to take them on ends up getting assassinated or meeting w/ tragic accidents.
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Post by lucy on Oct 19, 2009 14:13:10 GMT -5
According to the material I read from David Icke's materials, one of JFK's things was pulling out of Vietnam, TPTB wanted the so called war perpetuated to bring in drugs....He wanted to print interest free money, which is a stab at the Fed Reserves...big NO NO..that's what killed Honest Abe.....
I never heard of a poison bullet before...that's new to me. And I've researched this for years. But one thing that is consistent is that removing the brains removed any possibility of studying which way the bullet entered his head...if it was proved from the front and a large exit wound on back, blows the depository shooter out of the water.
There were so many "organizations" involved with JFK, CIA, according to Icke's materials, Mossad, the Jewish Mafia, which is how Jack "Ruby" Rubenstein got involved in this thick plot. The French....Freemasons...New Orleans was heavily involved into this plot...Shaw, who was the only one who went to trial for Kennedy's assassination by New Orleans DA Jim Garrison...who was assassinated in character...
There was also a piece I was recently reading about "Preface To King-Kill/33: James Shelby Downard's Vision...interesting piece. There must be a longer version out there, but I have to research that more.
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