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Post by slimyslug on Jan 31, 2008 14:49:07 GMT -5
Poe himself was not a doppelganger (that I know of), but they seemed to have a role in his works and in his life. invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Clues&thread=1169606334&page=1beatlies wrote: "Interesting fact: former Liverpool resident Adolf Hitler's mother was named Klara POElzl . Klara Poelzl and Alois Hitler, Adolf's parents, were second cousins once removed. In 1836, 27-year-old Edgar Allen Poe married his thirteen-year-old first cousin, Virginia Clemm. "JoJo wrote: "an interesting fact: (1829) On January 1, Edgar receives promotion to the rank of Regimental Sergeant-Major. During the year, Frances Allan, wife of John, dies. Poe receives his discharge from the Army, (by) hiring a substitute. He begins to make contacts which will lead to his appointment to the Military Academy, even walking from Baltimore to Washington for an appointment with Secretary Eaton. Before the end of the year, the young man publishes Al Aaraaf, Tamerlane and Minor Poems. I've also read that during the beginning of the stint in the army, he assumed the name of "Edgar A Perry". Why, I haven't been able to determine yet. "beatlies wrote: "From wikipedia: Fiction and mythology See also: List of fictional doppelgängers Doppelgängers, as dark doubles of individual identities appear in a variety of fictional works from Fyodor Dostoyevsky's The Double to Season of Migration to the North to Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man. In its simplest incarnation, mistaken identity is a classic trope used in literature, from Twelfth Night to A Tale of Two Cities. In these cases, the characters look similar for perfectly normal reasons, such as being siblings or simple coincidence. These simpler cases of mistaken identity may not constitute true doppelgangerdom. Some mythology offer more mystic explanations, where the double is created as a kind of curse or otherwise through magic. These doppelgängers are typically, but not always, evil in some way. The double will often impersonate the victim and go about ruining them, for instance through committing crimes or insulting the victim's friends. Sometimes, the double even tries to kill the original. The torment is occasionally earned; for instance, in Edgar Allan Poe's short story "William Wilson," the protagonist of questionable morality is dogged by his doppelgänger most tenaciously when his morals fail. Some works of fantasy include shapeshifters, as either talented individuals or as a separate race, who can mimic any person. Another variant, usually seen in science fiction, involves clones. While genetic cloning in actual science may create a genetically identical new being (that will not have the memories and experiences of the original), some futuristic variants in fiction clone living beings in their entirety, albeit sometimes with modified memories and motives. The idea of doppelgängers is also seen in fiction involving time travel and parallel universes. In this case, the doppelgänger really "is" the doubled person, but from a different timeline or different version of the universe. "Other excerpts continue below in next post.
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Post by slimyslug on Jan 31, 2008 14:58:36 GMT -5
beatlies wrote: "The story begins with the narrator, a man of "a noble descent" who calls himself William Wilson, denouncing his profligate past, although he does not accept blame for his actions, saying that "man was never thus [...] tempted before." After several paragraphs of, the narration then segues into a description of Wilson's boyhood, which was spent in a "large, rambling Elizabethan" schoolhouse, "in a misty-looking village of England." The house was huge, with many jumbled paths and rooms, and situated on extensive grounds; the students were kept on site perpetually, however, hemmed in by a fence surmounted by broken glass, only being released for short, guided walks and church service.
William describes meeting another boy who shared the same name, who had roughly the same appearance, and who was even born on exactly the same date -- January 19, which was also Poe's birthday. The other William represented his only competition for academic and sports success, and especially for social supremacy. The boy seemed to compete with him so easily, however, that William thought it "a proof of his true superiority; since not to be overcome, cost me a perpetual struggle." William's name (he asserts that his actual name is only similar to "William Wilson") embarrasses him because it sounds plebeian, and he is irked that he must hear the name twice as much on account of the other William.
The boy gradually begins copying William's mannerisms, dress and talk; although, by a "constitutional defect," he could only speak in a whisper, he imitates that whisper exactly. He begins giving William advice of an unspecified nature, which he refuses to heed, resenting the boy's "arrogance." One night he stole into the other William's bedroom and saw that the boy's face had suddenly become exactly like his own. Upon seeing this, William left the academy immediately, only to discover that his double left on the same day.
William eventually attends Eton and Oxford, gradually becoming more debauched and performing what he terms "mischief," such as stealing money from a rich nobleman by cheating him at cards and seducing a married woman. At each stage, his double eventually appears, his face always covered, whispers a few words sufficient to alert others to William's behavior, and leaves. After the last of these incidents, at a ball in Rome, William drags his "unresisting" double -- who was wearing identical clothes -- into an antechamber, and stabs him fatally.
After William does this, a large mirror suddenly appears, showing "mine own image, but with features all pale and dabbled in blood" -- apparently the dead double, "but he spoke no longer in a whisper," and the narrator feels as if he is pronouncing the words: "In me didst thou exist-- and in my death, see [...] how utterly thou hast murdered thyself."
"William Wilson" is semi-autobiographical and relates to Poe's residence in England as a boy. The "misty-looking village of England" of the story is Stoke Newington, now a suburb of north London. "
4000 Holes wrote: ""The doppelgänger theme, prominent in such works of Poe as "William Wilson", appears as well in "The Fall of the House of Usher". The reflection of the house in the tarn is described in the opening paragraph, and "a striking similitude between the brother and sister" is mentioned when Madeline "dies"."
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Post by beatlies on Feb 1, 2008 7:04:50 GMT -5
1967: Edgar Allen Poe in top row of Sgt. Pepper cover. Sideways hidden image of Penguins dancing a la Hare Krishnas and kicking the head of Edgar Allen Poe like a soccer ball in the face of Sri Yuktevasar "Yu should have seen them" next to Aleister Crowley. This is the reference in the "I am the Walrus" line. Early Faul looks like an Edgar Allen Poe doppleganger in the Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane videos and Sgt. Pepper period. Procul Harem comes out with this video, with a Poe doppleganger lead doing "A Whiter Shade of Pale." There is a doppleganger song of AWSOP that comes out soon before Procul Harem's, by another obscure British group, but it is quickly forgotten. www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ9He63JcNMThe U.S. ramps up their Vietnam War holocaust of Vietnamese civilians, turning their yellow and brown skin into white. Edgar Allen Poe is synonymous with horror and fantastic torture. The melodic and chord structure of AWSOP is stolen from Pachelbel's Canon in D. Faul's ghostwriters reused it in January 1969 and varied it slightly to form "Let It Be."
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Post by beatlies on Feb 1, 2008 7:23:39 GMT -5
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Post by beatlies on Jun 9, 2008 16:13:48 GMT -5
Edgar Allan Woolf ---screenwriter of two Faul/Beatles-conspiracy related movies: Freaks and The Wizard of Oz---
Edgar Allan Woolf
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Overview Date of Birth:25 April 1881, New York, New York, USA more Date of Death:9 December 1948, Hollywood, California, USA (accidental fall) more Trivia:Died in a fall when he tripped over his dog's leash and fell down a long... more [MAYBE KICKED?] Alternate Names:Edgar Allen Woolf
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Filmography
Writer: 2000s 1990s 1950s 1940s 1930s 1920s 1910s Apocalypse Oz (2006) (screenplay "The Wizard of Oz")
Workteams & the Wizard of Oz (1993) (V) (1939 screenplay The Wizard of Oz)
"Ford Star Jubilee" (1 episode, 1956) - The Wizard of Oz (1956) TV episode (screenplay)
Ziegfeld Follies (1946) (writer) ... aka Ziegfeld Follies of 1946 (USA: poster title) What's Cookin'? (1942) (story "Wake Up and Dream") ... aka Wake Up and Dream (UK)
The Wizard of Oz (1939) (screenplay) The Kid from Texas (1939) (screenplay) The Ice Follies of 1939 (1939) (screenplay) Everybody Sing (1938) (story and screenplay) Mad Holiday (1936) (writer) Moonlight Murder (1936) (writer) Tough Guy (1936) (original story and screenplay) Mad Love (1935) (contributing writer) (uncredited) ... aka The Hands of Orlac (UK) The Casino Murder Case (1935) (screenplay) The Night Is Young (1935) (screenplay) Have a Heart (1934) (additional dialogue) Murder in the Private Car (1934) (screenplay) ... aka Murder on the Runaway Train (UK) Hollywood Party (1934) (story) This Side of Heaven (1934) (screenplay) Broadway to Hollywood (1933) (writer) ... aka Ring Up the Curtain (UK) Flesh (1932) (adaptation) The Mask of Fu Manchu (1932) (writer) Freaks (1932) (uncredited) ... aka Forbidden Love (USA: informal title) ... aka Nature's Mistakes (USA: informal title) ... aka The Monster Show The Great Lover (1931) (dialogue and continuity) The Slippery Pearls (1931) (uncredited) ... aka The Stolen Jools A Tailor Made Man (1931) (writer)
The Three Diamonds (1929) (writer) (as Edgar Allen Woolf) Love Birds (1929) (writer) The Royal Pair (1929) (story) The Love Tree (1929) (writer) (as Edgar Allen Woolf) Sweethearts (1929) (writer) (as Edgar Allen Woolf) Gang War (1928) (dialogue) ... aka All Square (UK) April Fool (1926) (play)
A Black Hand (1914) (writer)
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Additional Details Other Works:Rock-a-Bye Baby (1918). Musical comedy. Music by Jerome Kern. Material by Edgar Allan Woolf and Margaret Mayo. Lyrics by Herbert Reynolds. Based on a farce by Margaret Mayo. Musical Direction by Frank Tours. Choreographed by Robert Marks. Directed by Edward Royce. Astor Theatre: 22 May 1918- 3 Aug 1918 (85 performances). Cast: Gus Baci, Mae Carmen, Constance Carper, Sydney Chon, Ruth Collins, Frank Derr, Dorothy Dickson, H. Nelson Dickson, Louise Dresser (as "Aggie Jinks"), Florence Eldridge (as "Florence"), Evelyn Ferris, Alan Hale (as "Monte Laidlaw"), Edna Hibbard, Claire Hillier, Carl Hyson, Olive Jacqueline, Walter Jones, Frances Kaufman, Arthur Lipson (as "Pasquale"), Albertine Marlowe, Janet McIlwaine, Eddy Meyers, Frank Morgan (as "Alfred Hardy"), Edna Munsey, Claire Nagle, Bert Pullaney, Norah Sprague, Phil Stanton, Charlotte Wakefield, Gladys White, Lilyan White, Clothilde Woods. Produced by Selwyn & Co. more Genres:Comedy | Drama | Musical | Short more Plot Keywords:Based On Novel | Police | Actress | Dog more STARmeter: 53% since last week why?
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Post by wowposter on Oct 31, 2008 5:24:36 GMT -5
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Post by beatlies on Nov 8, 2008 19:31:25 GMT -5
Poe himself was not a doppelganger (that I know of), but they seemed to have a role in his works and in his life. invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Clues&thread=1169606334&page=1beatlies wrote: "Interesting fact: former Liverpool resident Adolf Hitler's mother was named Klara POElzl . Klara Poelzl and Alois Hitler, Adolf's parents, were second cousins once removed. In 1836, 27-year-old Edgar Allen Poe married his thirteen-year-old first cousin, Virginia Clemm. "JoJo wrote: "an interesting fact: (1829) On January 1, Edgar receives promotion to the rank of Regimental Sergeant-Major. During the year, Frances Allan, wife of John, dies. Poe receives his discharge from the Army, (by) hiring a substitute. He begins to make contacts which will lead to his appointment to the Military Academy, even walking from Baltimore to Washington for an appointment with Secretary Eaton. Before the end of the year, the young man publishes Al Aaraaf, Tamerlane and Minor Poems. I've also read that during the beginning of the stint in the army, he assumed the name of "Edgar A Perry". Why, I haven't been able to determine yet. "beatlies wrote: "From wikipedia: Fiction and mythology See also: List of fictional doppelgängers Doppelgängers, as dark doubles of individual identities appear in a variety of fictional works from Fyodor Dostoyevsky's The Double to Season of Migration to the North to Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man. In its simplest incarnation, mistaken identity is a classic trope used in literature, from Twelfth Night to A Tale of Two Cities. In these cases, the characters look similar for perfectly normal reasons, such as being siblings or simple coincidence. These simpler cases of mistaken identity may not constitute true doppelgangerdom. Some mythology offer more mystic explanations, where the double is created as a kind of curse or otherwise through magic. These doppelgängers are typically, but not always, evil in some way. The double will often impersonate the victim and go about ruining them, for instance through committing crimes or insulting the victim's friends. Sometimes, the double even tries to kill the original. The torment is occasionally earned; for instance, in Edgar Allan Poe's short story "William Wilson," the protagonist of questionable morality is dogged by his doppelgänger most tenaciously when his morals fail. Some works of fantasy include shapeshifters, as either talented individuals or as a separate race, who can mimic any person. Another variant, usually seen in science fiction, involves clones. While genetic cloning in actual science may create a genetically identical new being (that will not have the memories and experiences of the original), some futuristic variants in fiction clone living beings in their entirety, albeit sometimes with modified memories and motives. The idea of doppelgängers is also seen in fiction involving time travel and parallel universes. In this case, the doppelgänger really "is" the doubled person, but from a different timeline or different version of the universe. "Other excerpts continue below in next post. From the NIR forum (link in the quote above): Letter B Revolver member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 3,239 Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pa. USA Re: Poe « Reply #10 on Sept 7, 2008, 11:23am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply #7 from beatlies just blows me away. Surely this is "a fit". If "Man you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allen Poe" was meant to inspire the listener to investigate, then this is the story that John would have been wanting people to find, imo. A reason for "them" to kick Edgar Allen Poe - for revealing something. « Last Edit: Sept 7, 2008, 11:30am by Letter B » Link to Post - Back to Top Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you plan to record any anti-war songs? John: All our songs are anti-war. Better Leave my kitten alone! www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzMPsjFrPK4Maybe I'm amazed at the way you pulled me out of time. Letter B www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmVd9F1fW00
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Post by beatlies on Nov 19, 2008 21:52:27 GMT -5
1967 "I am the Walrus" lyrics spell "Poe" in all-capital letters "POE." The same as Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove movie (1964) uses General Jack D. Ripper's graffiti acrostics as the nuclear bombing holocaust code "POE" ("Purity of Essence") ....... But it was known in philosophy and theology as the "Problem Of Evil" POE: The Problem of Evil - Secular Web Discussion ForumsI'd like to discuss/debate the problem of evil. Seems to me obvious that the PoE proves that there is no omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god, ... discuss.infidels.org/showthread.php?t=76005 - 73k - Cached - Similar pages The Problem of Evil: wiploc vs. punkforchrist [Archive] - Secular ...That's the PoE (problem of evil) in a nutshell. Short, but bulletproof. There's no way around it. It is obviously valid, obviously sound. ... discuss.infidels.org/archive/index.php/t-199155.html - 55k - Cached - Similar pages More results from discuss.infidels.org » Theodicy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaSome atheists think that the problem of evil can be used to prove that no gods ..... we accept the perfect solution for the POE, than there will be no evil, ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy - 118k - Cached - Similar pages Preliminary Notes on the Various Problems of EvilBeing the most well-known strong-atheistic argument, the Problem of Evil (PoE, also called the Argument from Evil) has received a great deal of attention, ... www.strongatheism.net/library/atheology/various_problems_of_evil/ - 30k - Cached - Similar pages See No Evil: The Existence of Sin in an Age of Relativism - Google Books Resultby Harry Lee Poe - 2004 - Religion - 201 pages 1 Harry Lee Poe 2004 Kregel Publications ca-print-kregel ISBN0825433711 0825433711 ... The problem is usually stated simply as "The Problem of Evil. ... books.google.com/books?isbn=0825433711... The Problem of EvilSo, for Cleanthes, the PoE presents a serious problem because the fact that evil exists provides good evidence for rejecting the claim that God is ... www.unc.edu/~theis/uncg/evil.html - 15k - Cached - Similar pages The Eventual Death of The Problem of Evil « A Verbis ad VerberaThis argument is, however, not sufficient to refute the POE (problem of evil). The problem that is the result of inferring that X has some ability that an ... verbis.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/the-eventual-death-of-the-problem-of-evil/ - 44k - Cached - Similar pages AIS - SyllabusThe Problem of Evil: Selected Readings. Notre Dame: University of Notre Dame Press, 1992. ISBN 0268015155 (365 pages) Referred to as POE in the course ... student.asburyseminary.edu/cgi-bin/public/syllabus.cgi?sectionNumber=22580&popup=yes - 66k - Cached - Similar pages Vowell Movements: The "Problem" of EvilBecause the Problem of Evil (POE) is consider such a stalwart opponent, I feel that I have not lived up to my obligations as a critical thinking believer ... vowellmovements.blogspot.com/2008/09/problem-of-evil.html - 96k - Cached - Similar pages The Problem of EvilTHE PROBLEM OF EVIL——How can a good God allow evil to exist in the world? This web page attempts to answer that very question and resolve the problem of ... www.angelfire.com/mn2/tisthammerw/rlgnphil/poe.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next
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