I remember completely losing interest in her after liking her first album - I think subconsciously it was already registering with me that she wasn't herself anymore. Or what I THOUGHT was the original, anyway.
One thing that always puzzled me is her "back story" about living in a truck and going from place to place when she was younger, homeless. It seemed like a very convenient "story arc" , the usual rags to riches crap biography, when Mask has shown us that quite frequently these stars are replaced long BEFORE they even get famous. Plus, you don't just get a record deal after living that kind of life - no way she'd be able to make the necessary connections unless her family was already connected in some way or she slept with somebody powerful.
So I guess I wonder based on that just WHEN she was replaced and also I wonder how fake that famous back story about her is.
Either way, I really liked her first album and that Jewel seemed to have a funky spark and originality to her that none of the other Fewels have had.
Indeed, a (wiki) bio full of blatant contradictions:
"Jewel was born in Payson, Utah. Shortly after her birth, her family moved to Homer, Alaska, where her grandfather Yule Kilcher, a delegate to the Alaska state constitutional convention and a state senator, had settled after immigrating from Switzerland. She spent most of her young life in Homer, living with her father, Atz Kilcher.
The home she grew up in did not have indoor plumbing; it had a simple outhouse instead.
She and her father sometimes earned a living by singing in bars and taverns. It was from these experiences she learned to yodel, a quality demonstrated in many of her songs. Her father was a Latter-day Saint, but they stopped attending the church shortly before she turned eight."
So her grandfather was a very important man but she lived in poverty? It may happen but please... Weirdly, no mention of her mother or other siblings. She lived only with her father who was a Mormon? This screams "ABUSE". I have absolutely no doubt she was abused by her father.
And this is what she has stated recently:
"I grew up on a ranch in Alaska".
Ranch in Alaska? ;D But sheeple cant tell the difference, they dont even bother to search in Wikipedia.
^Good detective work. I had never thought of that but there are contradictions in her story. Growing up on a ranch and growing up without plumbing are two completely different lifestyles. And children and grandchildren of politicians don't grow up in poverty. These rags to riches stories are sold to the public so people will think these scenarios are possible thereby selling the mentality that if you don't make it on your own then it is your own fault because hey Jewel had an outhouse as her bathroom as a child yet she is a famous singer now. blah blah blah
Alaska is a very convenient place to stage fake stories -- Sarah Palin's own dad had a very weird and contradictory back story about just how and why he ended up in Alaska - some in Alaska say he was fleeing criminal prosecution of some kind and Alaska was a convenient place where he could completely reinvent himself. I wouldn't trust ANY stories involving that state!
FTIPE's words for Interview Magazine. Do I sense his first replacement happened then?
"Stipe: I distinctly remember a conversation with my band in the van where I was having a complete meltdown. It was 1984, I think, and I was huddled in the back corner of our van and saying, “I can’t do this. I can’t do this. I can’t do this.” I didn’t want to play any more shows. I just wanted to stop. I went through this difficult time when we were making our third record where I kind of lost my mind. That’s when the bulimia kicked in. And that’s when I got really freaky…. It was like that thing that happens in prison. People can’t control anything in their environment so they start manipulating their body with tattoos and pumping up. [It went on for] about a year. It was rough. We were playing 2-, 3-, 4-, 5,000-seat halls. We were headlining. We had moved out of opening for the Gang of Four or The English Beat. At that point we were playing our own shows and people liked us, but I was unraveling on the inside."
I have a report regarding two entertainers that have been discussed on this forum: John Mellencamp and Arlo Guthrie.
I saw both artists this weekend at Jazzfest in New Orleans. First, I'll discuss Mellencamp. I had seen him once before, two years ago as part of the Dylan/Mellencamp/Willie Nelson tour.
Whether or not the John I saw two years ago was the original or himself a replacement, one thing is certain: there has been a major change recently. Two years ago, Mellencamp was by far the most energetic entertainer on the tour. He hit the stage running, and his band swept through his hits in a blaze of glory.
John seemed young, thin, and confident. He ended songs with a punch, and always seemed in control. He joked with the audience, talking almost too much. He sang a new song he had written that was very positive and uplifting.
So this time, things were different. First, the voice had changed. John's voice was clearly ragged and haggard. It could have been due to the rigors of the road, but it had more gravel than ever. Also, when he held long notes, he used a vibrato that I had never heard him use before. To be honest, the voice sounded like a very bad impersonation.
The stage presence was different, too. The confidence was gone, and John seemed very unsure of himself. He seemed like an amateur, not a lifelong road dog. He had lost the grace and power he had had before. In fact, I found his presence, or his energy, to be darker. He had a creepy type of presence, and it occurred to me at the time that this man gave off a negative vibe. He played a new song again, this time one called "I Have No Friends".
This relates to a Mellencamp interview I heard recently in which John laments that fact that all of his friends have recently died in accidents and freak occurrences.
This new John also seemed shorter, fatter, and significantly older in person. He did not connect with the audience like before, and put on a very lackluster performance compared to what I had seen two years earlier.
Another interesting thing: over the years Mellencamp has refused to play "Jack and Diane", his first hit. He has talked many times about how he hates the song and never intended even to record it, much less make it a single, and then have to play it for the rest of his life.
He also has had two other tendencies: to talk about and introduce each song before playing it, and to almost never play guitar on stage.
So at Jazzfest, Mellencamp played "Jack and Diane" FOUR SONGS into the set, without saying a word about it, and it was a clumsy, uninspiring version. So he has refused to play it for thirty years, then he decides to play it and doesn't say a word about it? AND he plays it on guitar. In fact, he played guitar a good bit, clumsily.
The whole thing was strange and difficult to watch and listen to, and left me thinking that I had just witnessed in person the very phenomenon that this site deals with.
So about Arlo Guthrie. This was a different situation. Arlo sounded great and his guitar and piano playing was stellar. He is truly a gifted storyteller, and had the audience laughing, crying, clapping, hollering, and dancing.
He connected to the crowd, and told stories so inspiring that they brought tears to my eyes. He talked about love for one another and love of mother earth. He also told childhood stories about growing up around his father and his father's famous friends.
So if Arlo is a replacement, it's a situation in which the replacement has taken on the role and is using it for positivity at this point. Where Mellencamp seemed like an embarrassing imitation, Guthrie was on top of his game and delivered a beautiful message.
At this point I certainly do not understand the inner workings of what really happened behind the scenes of the folk movement. Perhaps I was once again duped by an imposter working in folk music . Or perhaps in this case a replacement is using his fame for good. He is raising the consciousness of those he reaches, and is promoting positivity and love for the right reasons. Or perhaps he is the real deal alltogether.
All I know is that if I saw two replacements, then I saw two very different types of replacements, and two examples of what can happen. One is an obvious, ham-handed, creepy situation that cheapens everyone involved. The other is an inspiring display of positivity, perhaps a good use of a strange situation.
Glassonion, thanks very much for your intriguing accounts!
I'm glad you had a nice experience with Arlo Guthrie - replaced or not, I'm not sure if he has been? What you experienced goes along with what I experienced with Joan Baez around 1987 when I saw her perform live at an outdoor concert, very informal, just her on an unlit stage at a summer music fest. Even though I think she had long ago been replaced (I didn't know this at the time) she had a lovely, positive energy and the way she sang the songs was very heartfelt and beautiful. THAT experience of Foan was someone, replacement or not, also using the power of their position for good. Interesting that she, too, like Arlo, is such a big part of the 60's/folk movement.
Your Mellencamp/Fellencamp experience sounds very weird. I have to wonder how many times a performer simply isn't feeling well and has a stand in going on for him. After all, concert promoters and so forth are going to put huge pressure on someone to perform, even if they have temporarily lost their voice due to a cold or something. So I wonder if sometimes we see replacements who aren't necessary permanent PERSONAL replacements for that celebrity, but they are basically understudies/lookalikes/impersonators. I think I would make sure I had someone like this on hand myself if I were in that situation of constantly being on the road performing!
PS _ I want to add, thank you for sharing such highly specific details, like how Mellencamp always said he refused to sing Jack and Diane for 30 years, and how he didn't usually play guitar at his concerts, and suddenly the replacement you watched did both. These are great details that add further weight and evidence to support what people here have been discovering through their research for some time now - great work!
The "Original" Beastie Boys (then unknown) in the Major Hollywood movie "Krush Groove" (1985) about Def Jam records, which somehow magically managed to have a major motion picture about itself while it was still a tiny supposedly "independent" outfit still supposedly being run out of NYU dorm rooms and downtown hovels of Rick Rubin and the Simmn/Run DMC gang....