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Post by The Mask on Mar 30, 2011 19:30:46 GMT -5
...I liked the "early" Dyer and intuitively have also tuned out his new stuff although I did go to two of his presentations to try to check him out in person. I'm no expert at NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) or other hypnotic techniques used to lull crowds, but he is definitely doing something like that in his live speeches. He says all this pretty stuff and punctuates his points with a few funny stories about his kids (but tells the same stories year after year) and yet afterwards you realize you were hypnotized as an audience member and he didn't actually SAY ANYTHING. Fascinating goro. I used to listen to all sorts of these 'gurus' like Dyer, Robbins, Normal Vincent Peale, etc. It changes things completely for me to know that Dyer and Robbins have been replaced. And the fact that they have been replaced before they became famous and in turn are part of a plan for mind control makes the whole self-improvement genre look completely different in my eyes. Regarding Dyer not saying anything, I guess you're right. But if you ever listened to Tony Robbins' early stuff, he definitely said something. It was clear what he wanted to convey. BUT, although he taught you how to be successful in the matrix...well... you are still in the matrix. No-one teaches you how to get out of the matrix. Perhaps that is the intent of these gurus? To keep you on a certain level. |
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Post by goro on Mar 31, 2011 13:26:43 GMT -5
Fascinating goro. I used to listen to all sorts of these 'gurus' like Dyer, Robbins, Normal Vincent Peale, etc. It changes things completely for me to know that Dyer and Robbins have been replaced. And the fact that they have been replaced before they became famous and in turn are part of a plan for mind control makes the whole self-improvement genre look completely different in my eyes. Regarding Dyer not saying anything, I guess you're right. But if you ever listened to Tony Robbins' early stuff, he definitely said something. It was clear what he wanted to convey. BUT, although he taught you how to be successful in the matrix...well... you are still in the matrix. No-one teaches you how to get out of the matrix. Perhaps that is the intent of these gurus? To keep you on a certain level. There's also a bit of a suspicious "rise to riches" story for both Dyer and Robbins. Dyer's official backstory is that he went door to door leaving his self-published first book at bookstores and that's how his publishing career caught on. But the MAGNITUDE of his success doesn't add up. The Establishment is not so quick to embrace self-published authors - especially not back in the 70's. And Tony's backstory is pretty much, "I was a fat loser and then one day I got it all together and now I'm going to teach you to get it all together." Nice, but not very thick on details. Both fake backstories (IMO they're fake) lead to the idea that the "average" person can change their life simply through positive thinking or whatever. And while that IS true to a certain extent, it is still extremely rare to end up with the types of careers as megafamous guru types that these two men have had. One sidenote: Dyer said in one presentation where I saw in person that he had always been careful not to surround himself with a staff of "followers" and that to that day (mid 1990's) he only had one person working for him - helping him with his busy speaking schedule. And he contrasted this with his "friend' Deepak Chopra. He said that a while back he had attempted to call his friend Deepak through his company and the people on the phone not only didn't recognize Wayne's name but were insistent that Deepak didn't just talk to anybody. In retrospect, maybe Deepak wasn't into the newest fake Wayne and that's why he refused to take his calls?  About not getting out of the Matrix....both Tony and Wayne have never, ever acknowledged the existence of evil in their writing or speeches......and if you can't identify which energies seek to control and stifle us (whether you believe in Illimunati types or demons or ET's or some combo of the above)....then it's true - you will never be free. [/quote] |
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Post by The Mask on Mar 31, 2011 19:20:15 GMT -5
goro, you said everything I wanted to say and much more.
I agree with what you say about people reaching mega-fame. It just doesn't happen and it doesn't happen overnight.
Regarding Robbins, it's interesting that you talk about his fat days and then all of a sudden becoming successful one day. This is about the time I believe he was cloned. I'll elaborate more in my next post on him.
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Post by The Mask on Mar 31, 2011 19:34:30 GMT -5
Regarding Tony, let's discuss his looks for one. His whole story is compelling and, if you ask me, it's easy to see when he was replaced. Let's start with his looks.
Here I have identified the shots of Tony before he became famous. These are also AFTER he had his amazing 10 inch growth period at age 16 for the most accurate comparisons. Check out how Tony looks at 1:30, 2:44, 3:31, 3:48, 3:57, 5:01, 5:50, 6:51, 7:13 and 8:07.
Also, you can compare the above shots of Tony with his replacement at 8:35, then 8:45 and 9:35. Everybody see that?
If you listen to the biography, and you realize about the time he was replaced/cloned, he began working for Jim Rohn making $10,000 a month selling seminars. Right before this or at this time is when I believe the replacement took place. Replacements seem to always follow a certain set of circumstances. Big breaks in money/business/fame followed by breakups with girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses, etc. Right around the time of his replacement, he broke up with his girlfriend Liz Acosta.
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Post by goro on Apr 1, 2011 13:29:42 GMT -5
I briefly watched the video with the sound turned off, to get more of an intuitive vibe through watching body language and so forth. The sister's body language was very evasive like she was lying about stuff. The early pics of the mother look like a transvestite and the whole body language between the mother and the dad in the photos seems really creepy to me. The "tall" Tony who had the sudden growth spurt also looks like an alien pretty much transplanted into the family - although I'm sure that at that age he was also very self-conscious about those sudden bodily changes, if it was still the original Tony. But to me it seems like tall, post-growth spurt Tony has none of the heavy looking, swarthy features of younger Tony - already he seems like his features are much more refined looking. I don't think all of it can be explained by hormonal changes and his growth spurt, but maybe I'm wrong.
I agree that something appears to have happened after he started working with Rohn selling seminars - that would make sense that the skill he displayed doing that set him on the track for the powers that be to say, "Let's groom this into somebody who will agree to be completely shaped and become our tool." A clone would made sense around this time.
Thanks for the video, Mask! I will have to look it over more thoroughly when I get time.
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Post by lucy on Apr 1, 2011 19:09:00 GMT -5
I understand that the pituitary issues can affect one's height, and it affects their voices, but you can still see the face is the same person, even if the face is longer and narrower, etc. I'm thinking that this pituitary disorder is an excuse to try to explain away the differences in the looks.
I don't see the same person in the eyes. And for me, if the eyes lack that "thing", it's not the same person.
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Post by The Mask on Apr 2, 2011 14:51:17 GMT -5
I briefly watched the video with the sound turned off, to get more of an intuitive vibe through watching body language and so forth. The sister's body language was very evasive like she was lying about stuff. Yes, I watched the sister inteview several times and she looks like a clone to me. Yes, her behavior is just as creepy as her looks in the way she treated Tony. The bio also says she was the daughter of a Walt Disney animator which already establishes a weird connection. I think it was probably was the original Tony. Growth spurts like that are uncommon but they do happen. Yes, exactly. And this is what I was saying earlier. How did his features get so refined in such a short period of time? Also, his nose, chin, jaw and eyebrows all look different. Your thinking is in line with mine on this. Yes and it's probably worth it to view the entire bio if you are interested. Btw, in the video it features interviews with his mother and first wife and they both look like clones to me. I've noticed not just famous people get cloned but often the immediate family members around them too. |
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Post by artemis on Apr 2, 2011 15:35:42 GMT -5
I found these comments on a site, regarding TONY's mother:
"very posessive mom"
"what a control freak….you’d think she’d be proud smh"
"Tony Robbins’ mother is a disgusting human being. Frequently when a woman is a loser in her social life(three divorces), & she has a son as her oldest or only child, she will force that son into a responsible partner role, psychologically speaking. It’s absolutely pathetic."
"His mom is psycho controlling bitch with no self-esteem."
"her mom is a f**king wierdo"
"his mom is a frikken nutjob. she may have meant well, but pulling a kid out of school because he got the wrong bread or forgot to peel the carrots? messed up."
"I want to hear about Tony’s mothers life to find out what made her such a nut case. lol. She speaks about what happened with no regret. She speaks like she is proud that she treated him badly and probably believes that her actions made him a successful person. She pushed him off and didn’t care if he sank or swam. Luckily, for both of them he swam."
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Post by goro on Apr 2, 2011 16:10:17 GMT -5
Slightly off topic: I have visited the site in Sedona where Walt Disney in his VERY early days lived - pre-fame. FULL of Nordic/pale featured aliens crawling the freakin' place. NO JOKE. I'll bet he made a little "deal" in exchange for riches and fame and that everything the Disney brand does ties into that ley line of awful energy. The people living there now in trailers are heavily possessed and nobody is "home" when you try to talk to them.
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Post by artemis on Apr 2, 2011 16:14:22 GMT -5
Slightly off topic: I have visited the site in Sedona where Walt Disney in his VERY early days lived - pre-fame. FULL of Nordic/pale featured aliens crawling the freakin' place. NO JOKE. I'll bet he made a little "deal" in exchange for riches and fame and that everything the Disney brand does ties into that ley line of awful energy. The people living there now in trailers are heavily possessed and nobody is "home" when you try to talk to them. Slightly off topic... for u: www.examiner.com/family-in-phoenix/disney-understood-the-secrets-of-sedonawww.tween.org/Sedona.htmlAnd according to Wiki: "There is a specialized New Age tourist industry in Sedona, where the "Harmonic Convergence" was organized by Jose Arguelles in 1987. Some purport that "spiritual vortices" (local vernacular is "vortexes") are concentrated in the Sedona area at Bell Rock, Airport Mesa, Cathedral Rock, and Boynton Canyon" |
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Post by lucy on Apr 2, 2011 18:19:37 GMT -5
Something that caused me to wonder, not only about the self help gurus, but the celeb counselors like Dr. Phil or Dr. Drew. If there is something to their success due to being replaced before fame...
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Post by The Mask on Apr 2, 2011 18:52:04 GMT -5
And according to Wiki: "There is a specialized New Age tourist industry in Sedona, where the "Harmonic Convergence" was organized by Jose Arguelles in 1987. Some purport that "spiritual vortices" (local vernacular is "vortexes") are concentrated in the Sedona area at Bell Rock, Airport Mesa, Cathedral Rock, and Boynton Canyon"I went there in 2003 and visited all four vortexes thinking something magical would happen to me. Actually, something interesting did happen. At the time I visited, I was way out of shape. I would get winded walking up a flight of stairs. But when I visited, I still decided to hike(and eventually climb up) Bell Rock. Supposedly this rock has energy that is beneficial for humans. Well, I walked all the way to it and climbed about a third of the way up the rock(before it got too dangerous to climb any further) and didn't get tired at all. It must have been something with the energy of the rock but I was barely winded when normally I would have been gasping for breath.  Anyway, I don't think the vortexes are what New Agers claim them to be but there is definitely something to them. Interesting goro about the alien nordic types. I've heard stories about people encountering these types of beings at alien conventions. |
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Post by The Mask on Apr 2, 2011 19:15:06 GMT -5
I found these comments on a site, regarding TONY's mother: "very posessive mom"
"what a control freak….you’d think she’d be proud smh"
"Tony Robbins’ mother is a disgusting human being. Frequently when a woman is a loser in her social life(three divorces), & she has a son as her oldest or only child, she will force that son into a responsible partner role, psychologically speaking. It’s absolutely pathetic."
"His mom is psycho controlling bitch with no self-esteem."
"her mom is a f**king wierdo"
"his mom is a frikken nutjob. she may have meant well, but pulling a kid out of school because he got the wrong bread or forgot to peel the carrots? messed up."
"I want to hear about Tony’s mothers life to find out what made her such a nut case. lol. She speaks about what happened with no regret. She speaks like she is proud that she treated him badly and probably believes that her actions made him a successful person. She pushed him off and didn’t care if he sank or swam. Luckily, for both of them he swam."If he was replaced when I thought he was, then he lived a very short, tragic life. |
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Post by goro on Apr 3, 2011 13:30:38 GMT -5
The vortexes in Sedona are real and there are many entry points for both positive devic/nature energies, indigenous spiritual guide energies (including an entry point for ancient Aborigine spirits from Australia who are quite lovely) -- and horrible alien crap going on. A friend of mine came back from a visit there fully possessed, and she remains so to this day, working as a "channeller" for a particular ET posing as an "ascended master." Another acquaintance of mine moved out ther e and became so obsessed with climbing the mountains like Bell Rock that he became psychotic and committed suicide climbing off one of hte mountains - don't know which one - in about 1998. He was really into the Nordic/albino Ets who are both multi-dimensional (existing in the astral) as well as occasionally physical.
Sad because the NATURAL beauty of the place is lovely - but it's been mostly hijacked by ick.
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Post by goro on Apr 3, 2011 13:32:10 GMT -5
PS I nearly died on Bell Rock when I was climbing on my own and an entity came and "pushed" me so I lost balance in a bad way. Invisible critter, piece of sh*t like most of them out there.
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