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Nov 29, 2013 19:53:06 GMT -5
Post by lucy on Nov 29, 2013 19:53:06 GMT -5
Oldest brother Joseph Kennedy was primed to be the Presidential model, but when he died during a mission in WWII, the mantle was handed over to JFK...it wasn't him, it would have been attempted by RFK....
Strange thing what happened to many of the Kennedy offspring...one daughter had a labotomy and she was rendered an invalid, one died in a plane wreck...and of course the infamous brothers...
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Dec 5, 2013 15:36:09 GMT -5
Post by artemis on Dec 5, 2013 15:36:09 GMT -5
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Dec 6, 2013 2:03:46 GMT -5
Post by hotman637 on Dec 6, 2013 2:03:46 GMT -5
Yes, I misspelled Artemis! Spelling is NOT one of my talents. Anyhow "Warhol" had a painting "Nine Jackies" and his movie about the Kennedy assassination seemed to indicate "Jackie" did it (at least that is what I see)! I am BAFFLED that people are not just jumping all over the solution to biggest conspiracy ever! I guess many of these "conspiracy theorists" are just there to misdirect the public or they have spent so much time on the wrong theory that they would now look absurd to change their story. Someone should write a book called "Shotgun Divorce" and explain what it was all about.
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Dec 9, 2013 12:28:07 GMT -5
Post by lucy on Dec 9, 2013 12:28:07 GMT -5
Andy Warhol....of all people...who would think an off the beaten path artist would have such insights....but then the "likely" types, such as a "trusted journalist" is not so trusted by most folks....
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Dec 19, 2013 5:29:52 GMT -5
Post by artemis on Dec 19, 2013 5:29:52 GMT -5
"The Legacy of the Kennedy Administration and the Ongoing, Never-ending JFK Mythology
The latest eruption of John Kennedy hysteria, bordering on deification, seems safely behind us now that the 50th anniversary of his assassination has passed. Though there is much disinformation about JFK’s legacy that could and should be discussed, two areas stand out: his relationship to the Black Liberation Movement and his actions in Southeast Asia.
Despite all the evidence to the contrary, Kennedy has come to be seen as an ally of – even a hero of – the Black Liberation Movement. In fact, he opposed both the goals and actions of that movement from early in his term when terrorists were beating unarmed and vastly outnumbered Freedom Riders, to the final months of his life when four young girls were blown up in an Alabama church. When black moderates announced plans for an action in Washington in 1963, Kennedy worked overtime to derail it, with significant success, mainly by strong arming black moderates eager to remain in good with the White House. As a result, the planned direct action protest with civil disobedience morphed into a march and the moderates went so far as to force the day’s most radical speaker, John Lewis of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, to drop portions of his speech critical of the administration.
As for Southeast Asia, many in the mainstream have argued that Kennedy was about to withdraw U.S. troops and leave the Indochinese to fight their own battles when he was assassinated. This fixation on what he might have done is understandable, for the historical record – what JFK actually did – is quite horrifying and laid the groundwork for the decade of slaughter that followed.
First was the escalation of U.S. aggression in Laos, accompanied by diplomatic shenanigans that undermined coalition governments that included the Pathet Lao revolutionaries despite their being the most popular force in the country. The goal, as always with empire, was all out victory and the annihilation of anyone who favored national liberation.
In Vietnam, a similar approach led to massive devastation. In the winter of 1961-62, Kennedy initiated the full-scale bombing of those parts of South Vietnam controlled by the National Liberation Front (all but Saigon and its immediate surroundings). The justification that bombing was needed to defeat the revolution masked the indiscriminate nature of the aerial assault, which resulted in casualties that were overwhelmingly civilian. And so the tone was set for the next eleven years of war.
It was also Kennedy who authorized the first use of Chemicals of Mass Destruction in Southeast Asia, with napalm the best-known and most deadly. Never had chemical warfare been used so extensively, though the U.S. had also used napalm in Korea in the early 1950’s. Again, the tone was established as massive amounts of phosphorous, Agent Orange and other chemicals were used for the rest of the war, chemicals the deadly affects of which are being felt to this day throughout Indochina.
And it was under Kennedy that the notorious strategic hamlets were set up throughout South Vietnam. “Strategic Hamlets” is a term worthy of Orwell at his best or Madison Avenue at its worst, designed to induce thoughts of happy, grateful peasants gathered around a campfire. The more accurate phrase would be Concentration Camps, as Vietnamese by the thousands were rounded up at gunpoint and forced to live behind barbed wire. Anyone who resisted was beaten or worse; anyone attempting to escape was shot. The aim was to separate the people from the NLF though the result, not surprisingly, as with the bombing and the chemical weapons, was the opposite, as ever larger segments of the population became supporters of the revolution.
As each of these moves failed and the NLF grew stronger, Kennedy ordered ground troops to Southeast Asia in the spring of 1962, the number of which he gradually increased until his death. There is no evidence to indicate any plan for withdrawal short of victory, the myth-making of Oliver Stone, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. and so many others notwithstanding.
One way to get a handle on the JFK withdrawal myth is to recall another assassination in November of 1963, that of South Vietnamese dictator Ngo Dinh Diem. For much of 1963, Diem threatened to undermine empire’s goals by pushing for a negotiated peace with the NLF and a U.S. withdrawal. In response, Kennedy did what his kind frequently do in such circumstances: he ordered a hit on Diem and replaced him with generals willing to follow orders.
For all the wishful thinking about what Kennedy would have done in Indochina had he lived, the inescapable truth, as opposed to the fantasy, is that he escalated the war and initiated increasing levels of terror that eventually resulted in the deaths of millions. Significantly, there is no mention of withdrawal short of victory in the many Camelot memoirs, biographies and histories until after the tide had turned dramatically against U.S. aggression. Only then did the myth of “Kennedy the Peacemaker” emerge.
Perhaps the JFK cult can be explained by the odious legacies of his two immediate successors, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon, both of whom massively escalated the carnage in Indochina and ultimately abdicated in disgrace. Odious their legacies may be but there’s no way around the fact that Kennedy’s legacy smells just as foul. Such an explanation also obscures the fact that it was Kennedy who established the terms for the domestic conflict that would rage throughout the 1960’s – outraged hostility on the part of the ruling class to the democracy movements that shook the empire to its foundations. It is those movements that will be remembered and celebrated long after the JFK cult hopefully, eventually, finally, finds its rightful resting place in the proverbial dustbin of history."
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Dec 19, 2013 14:55:59 GMT -5
Post by hotman637 on Dec 19, 2013 14:55:59 GMT -5
JFK was a Devil, Jackie was God. When it came down to crunch time, who won?
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Oct 25, 2017 12:32:18 GMT -5
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Oct 28, 2017 2:17:49 GMT -5
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Jul 17, 2018 8:06:09 GMT -5
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Nov 18, 2018 1:41:10 GMT -5
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Post by beatlies on Nov 18, 2018 1:41:10 GMT -5
dissidentvoice.org/2018/11/phil-ochs-and-the-crucifixion-of-president-john-f-kennedy/phil-at-texas-theater-copy/".... Could it just be a coincidence that there is a real John Train who from the early 1950s onward was connected to the CIA and the covert state in various activities as an asset or an agent? This John Train, who was one of the founders and funders of The Paris Review, its first managing editor, who together with the CIA’s Peter Matthiessen and George Plimpton started the magazine for the CIA under its propaganda front, The Congress for Cultural Freedom. This John Train, who ran cover corporations for the CIA and was connected to George Herbert Walker Bush through the CIA’s Thomas Devine, who was involved in setting up Bush’s company Zapata Offshore. This John Train, who was deeply involved with the CIA’s activities in the early 1980s backing the CIA-supported mujahideen against the Soviets in Afghanistan. This John Train who….1 It is farfetched in the extreme to think that Phil Ochs just plucked the name John Train out of thin air. But the fact that this is asserted by his biographers makes sense when we realize that Jim Glover’s claims are ignored by Ochs’s family, his biographers, and the makers of the documentary about him. That there is a real CIA-affiliated John Train and that Glover insists Phil told him he was in Dallas on November 22, 1963 seem clearly connected. But these facts are unspeakable. I think they need to be explored. Like Jim Glover, I don’t have all the answers about Phil Ochs. My guess and my hope is that Phil was used and was not complicit, that he naively thought by going to Dallas he was working with the good guys to protect the president from the killers, and when he witnessed the brutal murder, he felt compromised, and felt so overwhelmed with guilt and fear that life eventually became too unbearable for him. Clearly this is Glover’s story. I think it is incumbent on those who don’t believe it to explain why Glover would fabricate such an intricate tale that glorifies his friend as a true patriot, whom he claims was used by intelligence operatives and who therefore suffered for the rest of his life for trying to protect President Kennedy. Whatever the truth in this age of “not knowing,” I think his story is a parable for our times. Whenever you think you’re getting the straight scoop, think again, and then again. The CIA’s Operation Mockingbird is still singing its siren song to convince us that the crucifixion was a one-time event, when Phil knew otherwise, right from the start and right to the end. I think he tried to warn us and wouldn’t be silenced, even in death. When I’m Gone See Joel Whitney’s Finks, Russ Baker’s Family of Secrets, David McGowan’s Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, and Bill Kelly’s jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2013/05/phil-ochs-at-dealey-plaza.html[]FacebookTwitterRedditGoogle+Email Edward Curtin is a writer whose work has appeared widely. He teaches sociology at Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts. Read other articles by Edward, or visit Edward's website. This article was posted on Friday, November 16th, 2018 at 6:01pm and is filed under Assassinations, CIA,Espionage/"Intelligence", John F. Kennedy, Music,Opinion. All content ©
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Oct 22, 2019 12:33:34 GMT -5
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Oct 25, 2020 14:35:13 GMT -5
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Nov 7, 2020 14:08:36 GMT -5
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Jul 6, 2022 8:04:09 GMT -5
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Jul 9, 2022 13:02:36 GMT -5
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