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[artemis]

If possible, Id like to see here a thread on GEORGE MICHAEL. It seems like he did it again, if he is the real GEORGE, of course (which I doubt). Thank u anyway.
www.nme.com/news/george-michael/39852

[beatlies]

Sept 22, 2008 11:02:22 GMT -5 artemis said:

If possible, Id like to see here a thread on GEORGE MICHAEL. It seems like he did it again, if he is the real GEORGE, of course (which I doubt). Thank u anyway.
www.nme.com/news/george-michael/39852

[beatlies]

Link today on the yahoo home page, top story on Meg Ryan:

"The Many Looks of Meg"

www.instyle.com/instyle/celebrities/transformation/0,,1049195,00.html?xid=omg-ryan-trans?yahoo=yes



Plastic surgery or imposter(s)?

[beatlies]

My list of absolutely proven imposter-replaced celebrities so far:

Bob Dylan
Paul McCartney
John Lennon
George Harrison
Ringo Starr
Brian Epstein
Belinda Carlisle
Eric Clapton
Mick Jagger
Brian Jones
Keith Richards
Doris Day
Frank Sinatra
Marilyn Monroe
Mia Farrow
Courteney Cox
Duchess Sarah Ferguson
David Bowie
Mickey Rourke
Faye Dunaway
Sylvester Stallone
John Travolta
Angelina Jolie
Tom Cruise
Cameron Diaz
Eddie Murphy
Dana Carvey
Shirley Temple
Mae West
Mickey Rourke
Axl Rose
Buffy Sainte-Marie
Jewel Kilcher
Sylvie Vartan
Johnny Hallyday
Ashlee Simpson
Marianne Faithfull

That's 38 people. That's not even counting cases of fake deaths-switched identities, such as Bill Hicks-Alex Jones and Kurt Cobain-Rivers Cuomo, and use of temporary imposters alternating over years with the actual person (Al Pacino)

[artemis]

What the hell happened to MICKEY ROURKE? For this FICKEY FOURKE is awful, his face will soon become like Jacko's.
omg.yahoo.com/news/mickey-rourkes-choice-change-or-blow-brains-out/13735#comments

[The Mask]

beatlies, your list is staggering. I agree with all of it except for maybe Lennon. Can't get on board that one yet.

[beatlies]

Oct 2, 2008 18:38:22 GMT -5 The Mask said:

beatlies, your list is staggering. I agree with all of it except for maybe Lennon. Can't get on board that one yet.

Also, add Lee Harvey Oswald to the list (using doubles, probably not permanently replaced).

I'm certain that Lennon was replaced in 1966, shortly after JPM.
By the way, Yoko Ono, who was in London at that time, says mockingly on Kiss Kiss Kiss backwards that she "shot John Lennon" (was released in October 1980, two months before the Dakota shooting). I'll start a thread on Lennon later. Anyway, I have another list of people who I would say have not absolutely been proven yet but, to different degrees, appear to have possibly been imposter-replaced, and merit investgation:

George Michael
Mikhail Gorbachev
Dan Akroyd
Groucho Marx (post-1947)
Jenna Bush
Eminem
Charles Manson (using doubles)
thingy Cheney (this year, possibly)
Marisa Sania (Italian 1960s/70s singer from Sardinia, linked who may have impostered Sylvie Vartan after her disappearance)
Phil Spector
Kate Pierson (B-52s singer)
Matt Busby (Manchester football coach who "survived" plane crash of his team in Munich, West Germany, at the time a hotbed of revived-Nazi war criminal activity in concert with CIA, BND and MI6 anti-Soviet agents)
B.B. King
Pal Waaktaar ("A-HA" band member)
Renato Zero
L. Ron Hubbard
Bono (Paul Hewson)
Loretta Lynn
Sheryl Crow
Claudio Baglioni
Vivian Stanshall
Neil Aspinall
Jennifer Garner
Mark Hamill
Arlo Guthrie (possibly replaced pre-fame, pre-1967)
Howard Hughes

[artemis]

Wow, beatlies, to say its amazing is less! And the talentless JENNIFER GARNER added to the list! I'd like to find out more about her replacement, if this happened. And yes, lately Ive some changes in her appearance. Besides, Im extremely glad u mentioned A-HA's PAL WAAKTAAR. I posted about his replacement on NIR forum and smb started to make fun of it. Moreover I compared the circumstances of the real JPM and WAAKTAAR deaths and still no feedback. So of course the thread "froze". PAL was indeed replaced and i found out about this in 2005, by pure accident, browsing the net. Here's the written to say proof:

(Original post date: october 1998)

Paul is dead
By William Campbell

I'm sorry to bring you this sad new, but please don't shoot the messanger. Anyway, it's not like it happened yesterday or anything like that. Actually I just came over an unbelievable story a week ago. I've promised not to reveal my sources, but I can say this much: They are very reliable.

In December 1993 our bellowed Pal Waaktaar suffered from a brain damage and had to go through a lobotomy surgery. He didn't make it. A-ha's manager at that time, Terry Slater, was outraged as a-ha had recorded nearly an entire new album loaded with hits. He suggested to the remaining a-ha members that they'd continue as a duo, finishing the album. However, both Morten and Magne was tired of the life as an a-ha member, as the focus only was on image, Take On Me and whether they would conquer the US market again. But they signed a contract of which they was obligated to remain silent about Pal's death.

Magne was also ill at that time and found more and more pleasure in painting. Morten wanted to create his own solo career. We all know the rest of that. He fired Slater after Wild Seed flopped. Slater was later found dead in his apartment. A drug overdose. Lauren Savoy had started to write her own songs during Memorial Beach period. Together with engineer Rod Hui, Norwegian drummer Frode Unneland and bass player Greg Calvert they started to work on an album, partly based on old Waaktaar songs and partly new Lauren Savoy material. However, they were afraid that they needed a name and the advantage of Waaktaars fame and name. Therefore, a cynical plan was born. Frode Unneland's sister was married to a guy that had a brother that looked exactly the same as Paal Waaktaar. And he could sing, actually his voice was better than Pal's. Closer to Morten's.

Anyway, a-ha had won a contest to perform the 1994 Paralympics theme. Morten and Magne agreed with Lauren that this new guy, Preben Ludvigsen, replaced Paul for the promotion for the last single, Shapes That Go Together. He was so good in playing, that he also joined for a couple of concerts with a-ha that summer, in Russia and Lebanon. Lauren, Frode, Greg and Rod Hui (the man behind the idea of the new band Savoy), agreed that Pal Waaktaar would change his name into Paul Waaktaar-Savoy, to give the name Savoy more attention. Preben also went through an eye operation, to look more like Pal, but it didn't succeed completely, thus he had to use sunglasses more often. Savoy started to record Mary Is Coming, and Lauren insisted on including a song that was an attack on Morten Harket, Daylight's Wasting. This would cause more attention to the new band. The title track was however written by the real Pal Waaktaar the week before he turned insane. The album was delayed several times, because Preben needed to learn how to act like Pal, breath like Pal, think like Pal. He was a good guitar player, and an a-ha fan, so he had learned how to play like Pal. During 1994-1995 he became Paul Waaktaar-Savoy.

They figured nobody would know the difference, as Pal always was viewed "the quiet one", and nobody had really paid much attention to his looks and behavior. Mary Is Coming became a success in Norway, and interviews, promotion and concerts went surprisingly well. No one had noticed the change. No one was suspicious. It was a success. Savoy continued with their second album, but Greg Calvert wasn't with them anymore. He became greedy and started to blackmail the other Savoy members. Rod Hui is connected with the mafia, and Greg Calvert has "disappeared". Preben enjoyed the success, but he got hungry for more, and finally he managed to persuade Morten and Magne to make an a-ha comeback. He didn't care much for Savoy anymore, but he agreed to participate on the third Savoy album, Mountains Of Time. Preben couldn't write songs, so they continued to use old Waaktaar compositions that were not used by a-ha. At the same time Lauren started to sing a few of her own songs herself. And on their third album she even got the single. Preben didn't care anyway. He was ready for a-ha.

Morten and Magne has written all the songs for the new a-ha album, but they decided to give Waaktaar credit for most of the songs, as they wanted to honour him, and that would be less suspicious as well. When you hear Minor Earth/Major Sky later this year, you can notice that this is really a Morten/Magne album. Pal's indie influences is gone. Also, there will be some hidden messages on the album, both on pictures and if you play some songs backwards. I've also been told that Magne is honouring Pal on both Hotel Oslo and Hermetic, but I still haven't found it. Please let me know if you find anything.

Then there's Augie. He's Lauren's baby allright. And Preben is the father. But that was just an "accident" that happened while recording a tune that wasn't included on the album. Preben tries to stay together with Lauren, for the sake of the baby. And for the press. I've decided to send you this anonymously, as I know Rod Hui is a very dangerous man.Thus the bogus e-mail address. I know all this sounds insane, but if you start to analyse Paul's behavior since Memorial Beach, you notice that something is wrong. There are too many coincidences. Do you dare to believe I'm wrong? I'll inform you on more of this later.

P.S. I just played SMO backwards, and Morten is saying: "Those who said that Paul is dead, can crap in their pants".

And the link: casforum.forumup.com/about97-casforum.html

[lostworld]

Oct 4, 2008 13:17:00 GMT -5 artemis said:

Wow, beatlies, to say its amazing is less! And the talentless JENNIFER GARNER added to the list! I'd like to find out more about her replacement, if this happened. And yes, lately Ive some changes in her appearance. Besides, Im extremely glad u mentioned A-HA's PAL WAAKTAAR. I posted about his replacement on NIR forum and smb started to make fun of it. Moreover I compared the circumstances of the real JPM and WAAKTAAR deaths and still no feedback. So of course the thread "froze". PAL was indeed replaced and i found out about this in 2005, by pure accident, browsing the net. Here's the written to say proof:

(Original post date: october 1998)

Paul is dead
By William Campbell

I'm sorry to bring you this sad new, but please don't shoot the messanger. Anyway, it's not like it happened yesterday or anything like that. Actually I just came over an unbelievable story a week ago. I've promised not to reveal my sources, but I can say this much: They are very reliable.

In December 1993 our bellowed Pal Waaktaar suffered from a brain damage and had to go through a lobotomy surgery. He didn't make it. A-ha's manager at that time, Terry Slater, was outraged as a-ha had recorded nearly an entire new album loaded with hits. He suggested to the remaining a-ha members that they'd continue as a duo, finishing the album. However, both Morten and Magne was tired of the life as an a-ha member, as the focus only was on image, Take On Me and whether they would conquer the US market again. But they signed a contract of which they was obligated to remain silent about Pal's death.

Magne was also ill at that time and found more and more pleasure in painting. Morten wanted to create his own solo career. We all know the rest of that. He fired Slater after Wild Seed flopped. Slater was later found dead in his apartment. A drug overdose. Lauren Savoy had started to write her own songs during Memorial Beach period. Together with engineer Rod Hui, Norwegian drummer Frode Unneland and bass player Greg Calvert they started to work on an album, partly based on old Waaktaar songs and partly new Lauren Savoy material. However, they were afraid that they needed a name and the advantage of Waaktaars fame and name. Therefore, a cynical plan was born. Frode Unneland's sister was married to a guy that had a brother that looked exactly the same as Paal Waaktaar. And he could sing, actually his voice was better than Pal's. Closer to Morten's.

Anyway, a-ha had won a contest to perform the 1994 Paralympics theme. Morten and Magne agreed with Lauren that this new guy, Preben Ludvigsen, replaced Paul for the promotion for the last single, Shapes That Go Together. He was so good in playing, that he also joined for a couple of concerts with a-ha that summer, in Russia and Lebanon. Lauren, Frode, Greg and Rod Hui (the man behind the idea of the new band Savoy), agreed that Pal Waaktaar would change his name into Paul Waaktaar-Savoy, to give the name Savoy more attention. Preben also went through an eye operation, to look more like Pal, but it didn't succeed completely, thus he had to use sunglasses more often. Savoy started to record Mary Is Coming, and Lauren insisted on including a song that was an attack on Morten Harket, Daylight's Wasting. This would cause more attention to the new band. The title track was however written by the real Pal Waaktaar the week before he turned insane. The album was delayed several times, because Preben needed to learn how to act like Pal, breath like Pal, think like Pal. He was a good guitar player, and an a-ha fan, so he had learned how to play like Pal. During 1994-1995 he became Paul Waaktaar-Savoy.

They figured nobody would know the difference, as Pal always was viewed "the quiet one", and nobody had really paid much attention to his looks and behavior. Mary Is Coming became a success in Norway, and interviews, promotion and concerts went surprisingly well. No one had noticed the change. No one was suspicious. It was a success. Savoy continued with their second album, but Greg Calvert wasn't with them anymore. He became greedy and started to blackmail the other Savoy members. Rod Hui is connected with the mafia, and Greg Calvert has "disappeared". Preben enjoyed the success, but he got hungry for more, and finally he managed to persuade Morten and Magne to make an a-ha comeback. He didn't care much for Savoy anymore, but he agreed to participate on the third Savoy album, Mountains Of Time. Preben couldn't write songs, so they continued to use old Waaktaar compositions that were not used by a-ha. At the same time Lauren started to sing a few of her own songs herself. And on their third album she even got the single. Preben didn't care anyway. He was ready for a-ha.

Morten and Magne has written all the songs for the new a-ha album, but they decided to give Waaktaar credit for most of the songs, as they wanted to honour him, and that would be less suspicious as well. When you hear Minor Earth/Major Sky later this year, you can notice that this is really a Morten/Magne album. Pal's indie influences is gone. Also, there will be some hidden messages on the album, both on pictures and if you play some songs backwards. I've also been told that Magne is honouring Pal on both Hotel Oslo and Hermetic, but I still haven't found it. Please let me know if you find anything.

Then there's Augie. He's Lauren's baby allright. And Preben is the father. But that was just an "accident" that happened while recording a tune that wasn't included on the album. Preben tries to stay together with Lauren, for the sake of the baby. And for the press. I've decided to send you this anonymously, as I know Rod Hui is a very dangerous man.Thus the bogus e-mail address. I know all this sounds insane, but if you start to analyse Paul's behavior since Memorial Beach, you notice that something is wrong. There are too many coincidences. Do you dare to believe I'm wrong? I'll inform you on more of this later.

P.S. I just played SMO backwards, and Morten is saying: "Those who said that Paul is dead, can crap in their pants".

And the link: casforum.forumup.com/about97-casforum.html

[beatlies]

Oct 3, 2008 18:02:13 GMT -5 beatlies said:

Oct 2, 2008 18:38:22 GMT -5 The Mask said:

beatlies, your list is staggering. I agree with all of it except for maybe Lennon. Can't get on board that one yet.

Also, add Lee Harvey Oswald to the list (using doubles, probably not permanently replaced).

I'm certain that Lennon was replaced in 1966, shortly after JPM.
By the way, Yoko Ono, who was in London at that time, says mockingly on Kiss Kiss Kiss backwards that she "shot John Lennon" (was released in October 1980, two months before the Dakota shooting). I'll start a thread on Lennon later. Anyway, I have another list of people who I would say have not absolutely been proven yet but, to different degrees, appear to have possibly been imposter-replaced, and merit investgation:

George Michael
Mikhail Gorbachev
Dan Akroyd
Groucho Marx (post-1947)
Jenna Bush
Eminem
Charles Manson (using doubles)
thingy Cheney (this year, possibly)
Marisa Sania (Italian 1960s/70s singer from Sardinia, linked who may have impostered Sylvie Vartan after her disappearance)
Phil Spector
Kate Pierson (B-52s singer)
Matt Busby (Manchester football coach who "survived" plane crash of his team in Munich, West Germany, at the time a hotbed of revived-Nazi war criminal activity in concert with CIA, BND and MI6 anti-Soviet agents)
B.B. King
Pal Waaktaar ("A-HA" band member)
Renato Zero
L. Ron Hubbard
Bono (Paul Hewson)
Loretta Lynn
Sheryl Crow
Claudio Baglioni
Vivian Stanshall
Neil Aspinall
Jennifer Garner
Mark Hamill
Arlo Guthrie (possibly replaced pre-fame, pre-1967)
Howard Hughes

Add to this "Should Be Investigated" list:

Prince (Prince Roger Nelson)

Neil Young

David Crosby

Tom Petty

Dalida

pResident George W. Bush (definitely using doubles, possibly imposter-replaced)

[artemis]

GW BUSH imposter replaced occasionally, 100%. PRINCE too? I would go also for DALIDA. Just like about PAL WAAKTAAR, I mentioned her replacement/mysterious death. Not much feedback either on TKIN, coz its this forum, not NIR, as I said yesterday. Sorry, just confused them... Now, back to A-HA, PREBEN LUDVIGSEN looks Faul-ish...

[The Mask]

Prince, definitely.

[lostworld]

Oct 5, 2008 6:57:45 GMT -5 artemis said:

GW BUSH imposter replaced occasionally, 100%. PRINCE too? I would go also for DALIDA. Just like about PAL WAAKTAAR, I mentioned her replacement/mysterious death. Not much feedback either on TKIN, coz its this forum, not NIR, as I said yesterday. Sorry, just confused them... Now, back to A-HA, PREBEN LUDVIGSEN looks Faul-ish...

I´ve also heard this rumour about Pal.
It´s not so hard to find pics of him (unlike some other cases) but I´m struggling with the comparison. If replaced, Preben sure does look a lot like Pal. I do think that the headshape is different though. Preben´s head seems to be smaller and rounder. And there is something about the chin too...

I guess the lack of feedback can have something to do with a lack of interest in Pal as a person. I mean, you didn´t know anything about him in the 80' s either. He was always quiet and stayed in the background. At least he seemed very boring compared to the two other guys in the band. Or maybe that´s just me and my taste...

You should look into it some more Artemis if you want and see if you could find some good pics to compare with. This is quite a tough one I feel...
The story behind the replacement seem very believable though. Not far fetched at all.

[lostworld]

Oct 5, 2008 10:27:26 GMT -5 The Mask said:

Prince, definitely.

Anyone up for starting a thread on Prince then?

Or "the artist formerly known as Prince" (Now what can that mean??? )

or


Beatlies, what would be the reason for Prince being replaced? Do you have some more info? Thanks.

[beatlies]

Oct 4, 2008 20:17:18 GMT -5 beatlies said:

Oct 3, 2008 18:02:13 GMT -5 beatlies said:

Also, add Lee Harvey Oswald to the list (using doubles, probably not permanently replaced).

I'm certain that Lennon was replaced in 1966, shortly after JPM.
By the way, Yoko Ono, who was in London at that time, says mockingly on Kiss Kiss Kiss backwards that she "shot John Lennon" (was released in October 1980, two months before the Dakota shooting). I'll start a thread on Lennon later. Anyway, I have another list of people who I would say have not absolutely been proven yet but, to different degrees, appear to have possibly been imposter-replaced, and merit investgation:

George Michael
Mikhail Gorbachev
Dan Akroyd
Groucho Marx (post-1947)
Jenna Bush
Eminem
Charles Manson (using doubles)
thingy Cheney (this year, possibly)
Marisa Sania (Italian 1960s/70s singer from Sardinia, linked who may have impostered Sylvie Vartan after her disappearance)
Phil Spector
Kate Pierson (B-52s singer)
Matt Busby (Manchester football coach who "survived" plane crash of his team in Munich, West Germany, at the time a hotbed of revived-Nazi war criminal activity in concert with CIA, BND and MI6 anti-Soviet agents)
B.B. King
Pal Waaktaar ("A-HA" band member)
Renato Zero
L. Ron Hubbard
Bono (Paul Hewson)
Loretta Lynn
Sheryl Crow
Claudio Baglioni
Vivian Stanshall
Neil Aspinall
Jennifer Garner
Mark Hamill
Arlo Guthrie (possibly replaced pre-fame, pre-1967)
Howard Hughes

Add to this "Should Be Investigated" list:

Prince (Prince Roger Nelson)

Neil Young

David Crosby

Tom Petty

Dalida

pResident George W. Bush (definitely using doubles, possibly imposter-replaced)

Also:

Seung-Hui Cho (the Korean-American fall guy, pasty identity for the 2007 Virginia Tech false flag, student/faculty mass murder that was carried out by the CIA/NSA/Pentagon)
Osama Bin Laden
Zacarias Moussaoui
Saddam Hussein (using doubles, possibly imposter-replaced in 1999)

byrdsmaniac brought this one to light on the PID MH MH MH forum---

Joe Co cker



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