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Post by fubarak on Feb 11, 2011 16:21:27 GMT -5
Wow, what a roller coaster of events! Congratulations to the Egyptian people!
However, as you noted, Artemis, Mubarak/Fubarak is supposedly in Sharm El-Sheikh. It's not clear what his status is, whether he will be arrested, or will leave (for the 2nd/3rd time?).
There were multiple rumors yesterday that Mubarak had taken a plane to UAE, where he has good relations with the ruling family. Was that the real Mubarak? Or Fubarak #1, who possibly took over after surgery? Very tough to say at this point.
However, that last speech made it quite obvious that at least one double is in play. This deserves some more study as things progress.
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Post by fubarak on Feb 11, 2011 16:26:29 GMT -5
Did anyone notice the comment by ElBaradei, the opposition leader flown in from London, to the U.S. to "take him [Mubarak] off life support"? Then another news story said that President Obama was on the phone with several world leaders discussing what to do next with Egypt? Could it be that Fubarak appointed the security chief Suleiman as VP because he's just an actor who doesn't know how to run a country? And Mubarak has been literally on life support since March 2010? Great observations. Found a source for the 'life support' quote: Jan 30, 2011 www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0130/ElBaradei-to-US-Take-Egypt-s-Mubarak-off-life-support"The first thing which will calm the situation is for Mubarak to leave, and leave with some dignity. Otherwise, I fear that things will get bloody. And [the US] have to stop the life support to the dictator and root for the people."
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Post by artemis on Feb 11, 2011 16:37:26 GMT -5
Wow, what a roller coaster of events! Congratulations to the Egyptian people! Im really sorry for the Egyptians, but they've been fooled. It all started in Tunis and then it spreaded in Egypt and so on. Call it another CIA/MOSSAD "work of art". We are cheering like fools while they are keeping on playing their deadly games. Take a look here for more and better info: cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles/article0005345.htmlaangirfan.blogspot.com/
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Post by fubarak on Feb 11, 2011 16:44:27 GMT -5
Wow, what a roller coaster of events! Congratulations to the Egyptian people! Im really sorry for the Egyptians, but they've been fooled. It all started in Tunis and then it spreaded in Egypt and so on. Call it another CIA/MOSSAD "work of art". We are cheering like fools while they are keeping on playing their deadly games. I'm sure that the CIA, Mossad, and other agencies are doing their utmost to control events, but to me it seems the Egyptian people are making their own way as well. Do you think that the US/Israel honestly wants the Egypt/Israel peace treaty to be dropped, and Gaza set free? That is where things are headed at the moment. Israel certainly is not happy about this. Tunisia, though, is another story. It seems that there is a much bigger clampdown and the original gains are being reversed. Events are changing rapidly and it is possible that things in Egypt will be reversed as well. The army is still in control. Edit: just noticed your links. Thanks, I'll take a look at those.
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Post by fubarak on Feb 12, 2011 17:20:15 GMT -5
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Post by beatlies on Feb 12, 2011 17:50:19 GMT -5
Im really sorry for the Egyptians, but they've been fooled. It all started in Tunis and then it spreaded in Egypt and so on. Call it another CIA/MOSSAD "work of art". We are cheering like fools while they are keeping on playing their deadly games. I'm sure that the CIA, Mossad, and other agencies are doing their utmost to control events, but to me it seems the Egyptian people are making their own way as well. Do you think that the US/Israel honestly wants the Egypt/Israel peace treaty to be dropped, and Gaza set free? That is where things are headed at the moment. Israel certainly is not happy about this. Tunisia, though, is another story. It seems that there is a much bigger clampdown and the original gains are being reversed. Events are changing rapidly and it is possible that things in Egypt will be reversed as well. The army is still in control. Edit: just noticed your links. Thanks, I'll take a look at those. Unless, as some in Israel and many Jews abroad fear, the USA is about to turn against Israel and use their "color revolution" Egypt astroturf protests to help install a regime combining the Isalmic-fascist, CIA-backed- "Muslim Brotherhood" and top military generals. The Egyptian left---unions, socialists, communists-will continue to be excluded and persecuted of course---no actual democracy of any kind. In this scenario, which sounds too "wild" and outrageous for most people to believe, the USA and NATO, via their GERMANY-based new AFRICOM HQ in Stuttgart and the CIA, will create and back a fundamentalist Egypt allied with Iran and stir up Gaza while instigating guerilla raids on Israel's southern border. At the same time, forging a new nuclear weapons threat with Iran against Israel, like the old Nasser regime on steroids, but this time puppeteered by the USA ---top nazis in the CIA, Pentagon and german B.N.D. and M.A.D. . The 80 million Egyptian people will suffer greatly as well, under this far-right, Islamic wacko regime. The USA will continue to support Israel financially and even militarily while playing its obvious, Orwellian double game of apocalyptic new Holocaust security threats, and killings, against Israel. Several years ago the CIA released a public "world predictions report" type of document stating that "Israel will not exist in 30 years." A thinly veiled "putting the Jews on notice" threat ya think maybe? The protests in both Tunisa and Egypt were fake, astroturf CIA "color revolution"-modeled parades, nothing more, that maybe attracted some popular support from the impoverished and hungry Egyptian masses. But nothng else or more than this. See the research and writig of Thierry Meyssan and Voltaire netwhich I posted above in this thread. Welcome to das New World Order....
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Post by fubarak on Feb 12, 2011 19:26:20 GMT -5
Update: Egypt's Mubarak to receive refuge, non-persecution in UAE - newspaper 23:17 11/02/2011 An agreement on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's resignation was reached after a meeting with United Arab Emirates Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the Kuwaiti Al-Qabas daily reported on Friday. ----------- "Hosni Mubarak agreed to the terms of resignation if he first was allowed to go to Sharm el-Sheikh (Sinai Peninsula, Egypt) and then on to the city of Al Ain (UAE)," the daily said, adding that the terms also stated that Egypt's new government would not persecute the former president. According to Al-Qabas, the UAE foreign minister said his country could help Mubarak in three areas, including holding talks on organizing international safety in Mubarak and his security forces out of the country, guaranteeing he or his family members would not be legally persecuted, and his personal property would not be confiscated. --------- The daily also quoted the foreign minister as saying that the UAE "is prepared to accept [Mubarak] in a ready-made palace in the city of Al Ain." Mubarak may travel directly to Al Ain or first go to Germany for medical treatment, the daily said. en.rian.ru/world/20110211/162563530.html
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Post by artemis on Feb 13, 2011 8:09:14 GMT -5
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Post by fubarak on Feb 13, 2011 13:17:56 GMT -5
Artemis and beatlies: I'm not very good at political predictions, so at this point I'll leave those up to others. I do agree that the West does want unstable states in the Middle East and elsewhere (order out of chaos), but they also have a great fear of real protests getting out of control and things not going according to plan. I think the nervousness of Israeli, American, and EU officials is real. Having said that, here are more Mubarak rumors: CAIRO (Ma'an) -- Ousted Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak is suffering serious health problems and fainted before his last speech, informed sources in Egypt told Ma'an on Sunday. Sources said Mubarak's condition was the reason his much anticipated speech on Thursday was delayed. Egyptian army leaders avoided exerting more pressure on the former president in the final days of his rule due to his poor health, sources added. --------------- The Bahrain-based newspaper Al-Wasat reported Saturday that Mubarak had fallen into a coma, quoting sources close to the deposed leader. The Egyptian newspaper Al-Masry Al-Youm said Sunday that Mubarak was in Baden, Germany for medical treatment. He had earlier traveled to his residence in the Red Sea resort town of Sharm El-Sheikh with his family on board one of his private jets, the newspaper reported. www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=359549
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Post by hotman637 on Feb 13, 2011 16:16:31 GMT -5
I have probably said this on here before but I think it bares repeating. The BIG QUESTION is,"why do virtually ALL conspiracies and arguing and fighting seem to start (and go on and on endlessly) in the Middle east?". The answer is 450,000 years ago aliens landed in the middle east and they feel compelled to keep the fight going even though anyone with any brains would have stopped fighting after a couple hundred thousand years,lol. AND most intelligent people are sick to death of the whole thing. So why don't they stop?
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Post by fubarak on Feb 15, 2011 14:18:33 GMT -5
The latest rumor... Report: Hosni Mubarak is in Israel JERUSALEM (Ma'an) -- Ousted Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak is in a luxury hotel in the Israeli city of Eilat, the Israel-based news site Al-Arab reported Tuesday. Locals said there was a huge presence of Israeli security forces surrounding the hotel, and airplanes were hovering above monitoring activity in the area, the Arabic-language report said. A hotel employee revealed that Mubarak was a guest at the hotel, according to the news site. The hotel declined to comment. www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=360317
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Post by fubarak on Mar 5, 2011 12:04:49 GMT -5
Another update, from 3 days ago: Mubarak hospitalized in Saudi Arabia, reports state press
An Egyptian government daily says former dictator Hosni Mubarak has gone to Tabuk, Saudi Arabia, for cancer treatment. News DeskMarch 2, 2011 20:40 Speculation has mounted that former dictator Hosni Mubarak has left Egypt for Saudi Arabia to be treated for cancer. The state-owned Egyptian newspaper Al-Akhbar reported Wednesday that Mubarak left his home in Egypt's Sharm el-Sheik and was being treated in a hospital in Tabuk, Saudi Arabia, for colon and pancreatic cancer. The army has denied rumors about Mubarak's deteriorating health condition. The report said Mubarak was receiving chemotherapy for an hour every five days and that his family was with him in the military wing of the hospital. Mubarak stepped down on Feb. 11 after massive public demonstrations demanded an end to this 30-year rule. Neither he nor his family have been seen in public or heard from since he stepped down. more: www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/egypt/110302/mubarak-saudi-arabia
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Post by artemis on Apr 13, 2011 4:55:18 GMT -5
"Ex-Egyptian leader Mubarak's sons held in probe into violence and corruption (as he collapses with 'heart problems')
Ousted Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was taken to hospital with heart problems just hours before he was due to face allegations of corruption and violence against protesters.
The 82-year-old former leader was taken to hospital at Red Sea resort Sharm el-Sheik today, where he has been in internal exile since he was toppled following protests on February 11.
Mubarak's two sons were also detained as investigators looked at their roles in violence against protesters and corruption.
Their father was believed to have been grooming younger son Gamal, a top official in the ruling party, to succeed him, before the family was swept from power.
As a police van took away Gamal Mubarak and his businessman brother Alaa, the crowd pelted the vehicle with water bottles, stones and flip-flops, a sign of disrespect in the Arab world.
'Brothers, whatever you wanted, you have got ... 15 days,' Major General el-Khatib told the cheering crowd.
Dozens of demonstrators picketed the hospital where Mubarak was reportedly receiving treatment, denouncing the president and carrying a sign reading "Here is the butcher." They scuffled with supporters of Mubarak amid a massive security presence.
Two security officials said Mubarak arrived under heavy police protection to the main hospital and, according to two doctors in the hospital, he stepped out of his armoured Mercedes unaided and was taken to the presidential suite in the pyramid-shaped building.
The protest movement that deposed Mubarak is now pushing for him to be brought to justice for what they say are decades of abuse and since Friday, hundreds have reoccupied parts of Tahrir Square in Cairo.
The protesters had criticised the army for being too close to the old regime and not swiftly bringing Mubarak to trial.
Today, however, a scuffle broke out when some residents tried to break up the four-day sit-in, removing barbed-wire and barricades. The army then moved in and took control of the square and cordoned off the once grassy roundabout that had been the centre of many demonstrations.
Sanaa Seif, a 17-year-old on the scene, said she saw the army forcibly remove people. Egypt's state news agency reported that the military police had detained a number of 'outlaw thugs' at the square.
Mubarak has been suffering for a number of ailments and underwent gallbladder surgery in Germany in March last year.
He has kept a low profile since he was ousted, living on his compound in Sharm el-Sheikh. He was banned from travelling and his assets have been frozen. Many of his senior aides have already either been questioned or detained pending investigations.
Egypt's state TV reported that Safwat el-Sherif, a senior aide of Mubarak and one of the most powerful men in his regime, was ordered detained for an additional 15 days pending investigation into his role in attacks on protesters during the uprising.
El-Sherif had already been remanded into custody for 15 days pending corruption investigations.
On Sunday, Mubarak defended himself in a pre-recorded message saying he had not abused his authority, and investigators were welcome to check over his assets.
It was his first address to the people in the two months since he stepped down. Shortly after, the prosecutor general issued a summons for Mubarak to appear for questioning.
Deciding on the site for the interrogation was a dilemma for the authorities who wanted to grant the ailing president a degree of privacy and security.
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Post by artemis on Jul 12, 2011 5:07:41 GMT -5
"Mubarak battles death in Egypt hospital
Latest reports coming from Egypt suggest former ousted dictator Hosni Mubarak has suffered a heart failure and is in a serious condition.
Medics said on Monday that they restarted Mubarak's heart using electric shocks.
Some media reports say Mubarak is in critical condition and is unable to breathe normally.
"Mubarak had suffered heart failure, which later caused him not to be able to breathe normally," Egypt's al-Ahram Newspaper quoted a veteran journalist as saying.
But the reports have not been officially confirmed.
Mubarak's health has been fluctuating since he was toppled amid a nationwide uprising against his decades-long rule earlier this year.
There have been conflicting reports on Mubarak's state of health and the reasons for his hospitalization.
He has been under arrest at a hospital in the resort city of Sharm el-Sheikh.
Mubarak is being held for an investigation into the crackdown on protesters during 18 days of anti-regime rallies that toppled him on February 11th.
The commission investigating the violence against the protesters says more than 800 demonstrators were killed.
Mubarak also stands accused of corruption.
The Mubarak family is facing allegations of corruption as well as the use of violence against protesters.
Egypt's judicial officials say the former dictator could be executed if found guilty of ordering to shoot anti-government protesters. "
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Post by artemis on Jul 18, 2011 0:07:37 GMT -5
"Lawyer says Egypt's Mubarak in coma, TV denies
CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's former President Hosni Mubarak,hospitalised since April and due to stand trial in August, is in a coma, his lawyer said on Sunday, although the state news agency MENA cited a hospital official as denying the report.
"Mubarak suffered a sudden loss of blood pressure but quickly returned to normal again after the necessary medicines were given to him. His medical condition is stable," MENA quoted the official as saying.
Another medical source told Reuters that Mubarak, 83, occasionally slipped into a coma but his condition was stable. Mubarak's condition has been subject to frequent speculation in the Egyptian media, gaining momentum before his August 3 trial.
Protesters have been camped out in Cairo's Tahrir Square since July 8 and have protested in other Egyptian cities. Their demands have included calls for the military council now ruling Egypt to speed up Mubarak's trial.
The former president, who is hospitalized in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, faces charges of abuse of power and killing protesters.
More than 840 died in the 18 days of demonstrations that led to his ouster on February 11.
"I was informed about the sudden deterioration in Mubarak's health and I am now on my way to Sharm el-Sheikh. All that I know so far is that the president is in a full coma," Mubarak's lawyer Farid el-Deeb told Reuters. He did not give more details.
Deeb said in June Mubarak was suffering from cancer, although a government minister later appeared to play down that report.
Some Egyptians have questioned Mubarak's illness, seeing it as a ploy for the army to avoid putting on trial the decorated former air force commander who ruled Egypt for 30 years.
"The news that comes every now and then about him being in bad condition is designed to gain people's sympathy, especially now with the public demanding he comes to a jail in Cairo and face trial in Cairo, not in his hospital," political analyst and activist Hassan Nafaa said.
Mubarak had generally enjoyed good health in office. He underwent gallbladder surgery in Germany in March 2010 but he had appeared to make a full recovery. When in office, officials routinely dismissed talk of ill health including cancer reports."
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