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Post by fubarak on Mar 20, 2010 17:21:56 GMT -5
Rumors have been swirling around the illness of Egyptian President (and dictator) Hosni Mubarak. He was briefly reported dead by a Russian news source after Mubarak's surgery in Germany to have his gallbladder removed. Since then, photos and video footage of him at the hospital has been circulated, and he has reportedly talked on the phone with various Arab leaders. Nevertheless, rumors of trickery continue to circulate. Here's one of the first English-language blog reports: Mar. 14 2010 - 2:53 pm | 4,329 views | 1 recommendation | 2 comments "Did Hosni Mubarak die in surgery?""The talk of the Egyptian blogosphere right now is a fast-spreading rumor that President Hosni Mubarak has died. Hundreds of Egyptian and Arabic-speaking Twitter users are posting news of the 81-year-old leader’s death. The reports occurred after reports of Mubarak dying in a German hospital were broadcast on Russian television and on Arabic television.Hosni Mubarak has been the President of Egypt since 1981, making him the country’s longest-serving leader since Mohammed Ali. So… is Mubarak dead? Here is what is publicly known. As always, the caveat must be made that Egypt exercises heavy-handed press censorship on the press. Also keep in mind that Mubarak’s health is among the most taboo subjects in the Egyptian press: Journalists have been jailed in the past for writing about Mubarak’s health. So all this, again, is written with a grain of salt. Hosni Mubarak traveled to Heidelberg University Hospital in Heidelberg, Germany two weeks ago to have a growth removed from his small intestine and to have his gall bladder removed. Three public statements were made in the past week. The first, by Health Minister Hatem al-Gabali, is a week old: “The state of the president’s health continues to improve two days after the operation [...] Over the coming two days, the medical team treating the president will make a new report on the president’s health condition.” The second is from Dr. Markus Buechler, a pancreatic surgery specialist at Heidelberg. He reported that benign tissues were removed from Mubarak a few days later and that he was in the ICU: “The final pathology report has confirmed the benign nature of the tissues removed during the surgery [...] President Mubarak’s convalescence phase in the coming days will include increased physical mobility to recover from all the effects of the surgical intervention. [...] President Mubarak’s overall medical condition continues to improve in a satisfactory manner. Yesterday he was transferred from the intensive care unit to a regular room in our hospital. [...] He is also expected to gradually return to normal diet. The president will remain during this phase under our medical care and our direct and continuous supervision.” The third statement was made on Sunday morning, German time, again by Buechler. This one was much more curt: “Mubarak is progressing normally.” Note that none of the hospital statements said anything about when Mubarak would be released. In a strange bout of timing, Egyptian authorities decided to ban Skype. If Mubarak is indeed dead, a power struggle is expected between his hand-picked successor, son Gamal Mubarak, military/intelligence candidate General Omar Suleiman and former International Atomic Energy Head Mohammed el-Baradei, who recently returned to Egypt to a flurry of public acclaim. Once again, we do not know if Mubarak is alive or dead. We do know that the wall of silence around his hospital stay, however, is strange even for these circumstances. But most important of all, Mubarak is 81 years old. World leaders who have reached that age, frankly, do not tend to stay for long." trueslant.com/nealungerleider/2010/03/14/did-hosni-mubarak-die-in-surgery/Hospital footage released March 16 2010: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV2NmQ2-3lkHospital footage released March 19 2010, with live audio of his voice: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDu-CjxHSrQFor comparison-- footage of Mubarak interview with Charlie Rose, posted August 18, 2009: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvYe2-PabZY&feature=relatedA video that TrueSlant identifies as "Above: An Egyptian video (عربي) predicting Mubarak’s death.": www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUAEBocoXXc&feature=player_embeddedThis video contains many closeup photos of Mubarak's face, pre-surgery. I don't know enough about Mubarak to judge, but there has been quite a lot of speculation.
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Post by fubarak on Mar 20, 2010 17:39:11 GMT -5
Some photos: Standard Google Image Search photo, pre-surgery: Screenshot from Charlie Rose interview, 2009: March 16, first footage after surgery March 19, second footage after surgery
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Post by artemis on Mar 20, 2010 17:45:34 GMT -5
WOW! Great stuff! Adding another name to our list... Its the old trick when sources say about a famous person that he/she is seriously ill and/or he/she is dead, then they apologize and say it was a mistake, the situation wasnt that bad after all, the patient is in good health. The same broken record...
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Post by fubarak on Mar 20, 2010 18:13:37 GMT -5
WOW! Great stuff! Adding another name to our list... Its the old trick when sources say about a famous person that he/she is seriously ill and/or he/she is dead, then they apologize and say it was a mistake, the situation wasnt that bad after all, the patient is in good health. The same broken record... Exactly...there are continuing rumors, even today, that Mubarak is dead/brain dead/in a coma, or otherwise on the verge of death. See this Twitter search hashtag, #MubarakDeath, to see all the people exchanging speculation (and jokes) about Mubarak's condition: search.twitter.com/search?q=mubarakdeath (most posts are in Arabic but they can be translated using the Translate button on the right.)
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Post by fubarak on Mar 28, 2010 16:59:17 GMT -5
Mubarak (Fubarak?) has returned to Egypt from Germany.
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Post by beatlies on Jan 29, 2011 9:39:58 GMT -5
Egypt now convulsed in violent riots and demonstrations, a least 74 people have been killed. The internet and cell phone service have been shut down. Fubarak is Egypt's "leader" now, he's the one who returned from germany when Mubarak fell ill, not Mubarak---more CIA-perptrated "creative destruction" in process, and we are now witnessing phase two? Unfortunately the guy interviewed here, William Engdahl, is himself a "former" LaRouche henchman and probably COINTELPRO himself, set upon a left wing issue to discredit it by his associations and weakly-documented statements, a la Fohn and Yoko's calculated, counter=productive "peace" antics. But see below for google results on the Tunisia "first domino" mob protests as a color-coded "jasmine revolution".... www.youtube.com/watch?v=oddzA_R-zaUseconds) Search ResultsMona Eltahawy - Tunisia's Jasmine RevolutionJan 15, 2011 ... For 23 years, Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali presided over the most tightly run ship in the Arab world. So perfect a police state was his Tunisia, ... www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/.../AR2011011405084.html►2010–2011 Tunisian uprising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe 2010–2011 Tunisian Revolution, also known as the Jasmine Revolution, or the Sidi Bouzid Intifadah, Revolt or Revolution, is a continuing series of ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–2011_Tunisian_uprising - Cached Tunisia: Why the Jasmine Revolution won't bloom - TelegraphJan 16, 2011 ... Friday's coup in Tunisia sent shockwaves throughout the Arab world. But don't expect it to herald an era of democratic reform, says Richard ... www.telegraph.co.uk/.../Tunisia-Why-the-Jasmine-Revolution-wont-bloom. html - Add to iGoogleNews for jasmine revolution Tunisia vs. Ethiopia: Can the Jasmine Revolution Be Replicated? 7 hours ago Factors that triggered the Tunisia's “Jasmine Revolution”—hike in food price and costs of living, can also be observed in Ethiopia, and are fueling the ...Oromsis - 5 related articles How Are The Protests In Egypt, Tunisia's Jasmine Revolution Being ... RadioFreeEurope/RadioLiberty - 499 related articles - Shared by 20+Twitter Revolution? It's The Media Coining The Name NPR - 5 related articles - Shared by 10+ Tunisia's Jasmine Revolution, and how mobile phones helped it ...Jan 15, 2011 ... The overthrow of Tunisian President Zine Al-Abedine Ben Ali is a sign of political ferment both in Africa and in the Islamic world, ... www.csmonitor.com/.../Tunisia-s-Jasmine-Revolution-and-how-mobile- phones-helped-it-happen - CachedDemocracy comes in waves, and Tunisia's 'jasmine revolution' may ...Jan 21, 2011 ... The rise of democracies since World War II seemed to come ... www.csmonitor.com/.../Democracy-comes-in-waves-and-Tunisia-s-jasmine- revolution-may-be-the-Arabs-turn - CachedShow more results from csmonitor.comWilliam F. Schulz: The Jasmine Revolution: One-Time Wonder or ...Jan 15, 2011 ... While elements of Tunisia's so-called Jasmine Revolution parallel other upheavals, no one knows for sure what makes for success when it ... www.huffingtonpost.com/.../the-jasmine-revolution-on_b_809532.html - CachedThe Jasmine RevolutionJan 14, 2011 ... So tired of the whole Wikileak/Twitter revolution thrown about in the MSM with respect to the Tunisian revolt. Wikileaks had very little to ... mondoweiss.net/2011/01/the-jasmine-revolution.html - CachedRealClearPolitics - Tunisia's Jasmine RevolutionJanuary 15, 2011. Tunisia's Jasmine Revolution. Mona Eltahawy, Washington Post. Tweet. AP Photo. For 23 years, Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali presided over the ... www.realclearpolitics.com/.../tunisia039s_jasmine_revolution_248851.html - CachedTunisia's Jasmine revolution: A flower that could be crushed ...Jan 17, 2011 ... Editorial: The popular uprising is still hanging in the balance and it is unclear whether the country will be able to draw a line under the ... www.guardian.co.uk/.../2011/.../tunisia-jasmine-revolution-editorial - CachedTunisia's Jasmine Revolution: progress or regression? - By ...Jan 17, 2011 ... Visiting Tunisia three years ago, I thought that it was easy enough to see the main problem. The state was publicly dedicated to modernity ... www.slate.com/id/2281450/ - CachedAds Juicy Couture Peace Love & Juicy Couture 3.4 ... $87.00 - Sephora Free Samples & Free Shipping Over $50.Juicy Couture 'Peace, Love & Juicy Couture' ... $87.00 - NordstromSee your ad here » EverythingImages Videos News Shopping Realtime BooksPlacesBlogsDiscussions MoreFewer New York, NY Auto-detected Change locationClose Search Options Any time Latest Past 24 hours Past 2 days Past week Past month Past year Custom range... From: To: ex: 5/23/2004 Fewer search toolsMore search tools 1
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Post by goro on Jan 30, 2011 16:11:12 GMT -5
And Wikileaks supposedly has info about this controlled "revolution" in Egypt being planned at least as far as three years back. Wonder if we'll ever get to see the pertinent info they have on file?
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Post by lucy on Jan 30, 2011 20:40:01 GMT -5
Interesting about the illness and trip to "Germany"...of all places....
Once you know the Illuminati's handiwork, you will clearly see their fingerprints all over these events.
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Post by lindsayjudy on Jan 31, 2011 23:42:32 GMT -5
Did anyone notice the comment by ElBaradei, the opposition leader flown in from London, to the U.S. to "take him [Mubarak] off life support"? Then another news story said that President Obama was on the phone with several world leaders discussing what to do next with Egypt?
Could it be that Fubarak appointed the security chief Suleiman as VP because he's just an actor who doesn't know how to run a country? And Mubarak has been literally on life support since March 2010?
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Post by sabrina on Feb 2, 2011 10:26:55 GMT -5
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Post by artemis on Feb 2, 2011 14:39:32 GMT -5
Yes. Do u still believe its the same man? I doubt.
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Post by beatlies on Feb 2, 2011 17:47:01 GMT -5
The "Muslim Brotherhood" in Egypt, set to topple Mubarak is an incredibly anti-Semitic, Islamic-fascist, medievalist organization, co-founded by german Nazi SS, which has long been infiltrated and run from its highest levels as a CIA front.
Monday, January 24, 2011 THE CIA WAS INVOLVED IN THE TUNISIA REVOLT - THIERRY MEYSSAN OF VOLTAIRENET
On 23 January 2011, at Voltairenet, Thierry Meyssan has an article on Tunisia entitled: Washington face à la colère du peuple tunisien ] - [ Translate this page ]
Meyssan believes that the start of the Jasmine Revolution was not planned by the CIA and its friends, but, that the CIA and its friends quickly became involved in directing the affair.
Aangirfan believes that the CIA and its friends have been planning for some time to topple Ben Ali.
Ben Ali, like the Shah and like Suharto, had become too independent minded.
According to Thierry Meyssan:
1. Washington saw that Ben Ali was in trouble and could not be saved.
So Washington decided to organise the rebels.
2. Washington decided to use the media in Tunisia and abroad to control the direction of the revolt.
Washington got the media to focus attention on social issues, the corruption of Ben Ali, and censorship of the press.
Washington wanted to avoid any mention of Tunisia being used as base for NATO and the CIA.
3. On 30 December, the private channel TV Nessma spread reports about the riots and organised a debate about the transition to democracy.
Nesma TV is part owned by Silvio Berlusconi.
4. At the same time, US agents (as well as Serbs and Germans) were sent to Tunisia to run the insurgency.
These experts provided the rioters with their slogans.
These experts followed the tactics for a 'colour revolution' developed by the Albert Einstein Institution.
5. On 2 January 2010, 'the CIA' hacked the official website of the Prime Minister.
6. On 13 January the Chief of Staff of the Army, General Rashid Ammar, was contacted by the commander of AFRICOM, General William Ward.
7. Ben Ali then fled.
8. News organizations launched the name "Jasmine Revolution" (in English).
The term "Jasmine Revolution" was used by the CIA to communicate during the coup of 1987 which placed Ben Ali in power.
9. We forget the good report given by the IMF managing director Dominique Strauss-Kahn.
And we forget the latest report of Transparency International which said that Tunisia was less corrupt than the states of the European Union such as Italy, Romania and Greece.
10. Ahmed Najib Chebbi, a pawn of the National Endowment for Democracy, has become Minister of Regional Development.
11. Amanou Slim, a blogger using the methods of the Albert Einstein Institute, has become Secretary of State for Youth and Sports.
12. The real seat of power is no longer at the Palace of the Republic, but at the Embassy of the United States.
Located outside of Tunis, in a vast campus, the embassy is a huge bunker that houses the highly secure central stations for the CIA and the MEPI North Africa and part of the Levant.
13. Islamist Rachid Ghannouchi prepares to arrive from London.
The following is our timeline:
2000 - President Ben Ali broke all diplomatic ties with Israel
2003 - Ben Ali refused to take part in either of the two wars against Iraq.
2009 - Tunisia signed an economic and technical cooperation pact with China
2009 - Sakhr El Materi, chairman of the Tunisia-US Parliamentary Friendship Group, met the US ambassador at Materi's home (Tunisia: Dinner With Sakher El Materi - TuniLeaks) "The Ambassador raised economic liberalization, noting the importance of opening up to franchising."
2010 - A report (Transformation: Tunisia) notes: "Despite the formal abolition of trade barriers for industrial goods with the European Union as of 1 January 2008, in practice, Tunisia has seen too little progress in terms of trade liberalization."
May 2010 - General William E. Ward, commander of U.S. Africa Command, visited Tunisia and met Tunisian Minister of Defense Ridha Grira.
"Minister Grira had recently returned from very positive talks in Washington with Secretary of Defense Robert Gates." (Tunisia - U.S. Africa Command Blog)
October 2010 - Sakhr El Materi, chairman of the Tunisia-US Parliamentary Friendship Group, had talks with top Americans in the Pentagon and the State Department.
November 2010 - A cable from the US embassy in Tunis released by wikileaks describes Tunisia's President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali's family entourage as a "quasi Mafia" because of its "organized corruption".
Mohamed Bouazizi. He "set himself on fire outside the governor’s office". ( Mohamed Bouazizi.) Or he "set fire to himself at the bus station." "He had apparently decided to go to Tunis and talk to the president... (he) arrived at the bus station." (Tunisian riot town stands firm in its fury )
17 December - Mohamed Bouazizi, a 26-year-old university graduate, reportedly set himself alight in the central Tunisian town of Sidi Bouzid in a protest over unemployment.
He reportedly died on January 5 from burn wounds.
In Islam, suicide is considered a sin.
There have been rumours that Mohamed Bouazizi is still alive s
24 December 2010 - an important Washington think tank (Institute for Policy Studiesa) had an article about a possible change of regime in Tunisia (Foreign Policy In Focus.):
"It would do Tunisians, even (Tunisian President) Ben Ali, well to recall how many US allies different American administrations have discarded…"
7 January 2011 - the Council on Foreign Relations's Elliott Abrams (Elliott Abrams: Is Tunisia Next?) seems to suggest that the fall of Ben Ali would be a good thing.
"Tunisians are clearly sick of looking at all the giant photos and paintings of Ben Ali that appear on walls, posters, and billboards all over the country...
"If Tunisia can move toward democracy, Algerians and Egyptians and even Libyans will wonder why they cannot."
8-10 January - More people die in three days of rioting.
Mysterious rooftop snipers are at work.
13 January - The army withdraws from Tunis, which remains occupied by special forces.
The leaders of the North African branch of Al-Qaeda/the CIA call for the overthrow of Ben Ali.
14 January - Ben Ali leaves the country. Posted by Anon at 9:28 PM Email This BlogThis! Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Google Buzz Labels: Meyssan, Tunisia, Voltaire 5 comments: Genie said... this is all very interesting. Because I am generally unfamiliar with the Maghreb states I ran these points by an Arab friend who is reasonably knowledgeable and he doesn't buy it. He says Ben Ali was brutal enough that the rebellion seems legit, and that Washington has nothing to gain by stirring up the ME to take this government out. But suddenly I feel better informed (about how clueless I am) after reading your post and I think there is much to explore before accepting the story at face value. That's what you meant when you commented on the news article I posted on my blog, isn't it? I like your blog, I have visited before. Good work:-)
6:46 AM Genie said... oh and one more thing. I just followed the link to Voltaire...I have been looking for this blog for a long time! I ran into it once but failed to link to it and could not find it again even trying to google Voltaire. I wondered how I would ever find it again! I will link your blog and that one to my links page thegharqadtree.blogspot.com if I have not got you linked there already.
6:56 AM Genie said... have you and Voltaire now linked on my links page. I have been looking for the Voltaire blog for a long time, I liked it and failed to link to it. Could not seem to find it through google. Glad I decided to follow the link from your post:-)
7:04 AM Anon said... People like the Shah, Ben Ali and Suharto could not be toppled by a bunch of protestors. The CIA had to have control over generals, police chiefs, media outlets and politicians. And the CIA had to arrange some violence. Why did the CIA want these people toppled? Because they were not cooperating on contracts for US companies, on the CIA heroin trade, on involvement in wars etc. When the people of Hungary revolted in 1956, they got little or no help from the CIA and were easily defeated. Some Arabs are proud of Osama bin Laden and are most reluctant to admit that 9 11 was the work of the CIA and its friends. They refuse to listen when people tell them that Salem bin Laden helped the CIA in Iran-Contra. Remember that when Suharto was toppled, the key generals were working closely with the CIA; and soldiers were dressed up as student protestors and kids were trained in camps to become protestors.
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Post by fubarak on Feb 10, 2011 18:34:33 GMT -5
Hi, I thought I'd check on this thread now that there have been major public appearances. The last speech, today, Feb 10 2011: Part of this speech on youtube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ4aNEUq9RIIt looks like that the man in this speech is a double. However, the earlier two speeches, given roughly 14 days and 7 days ago, to me seemed to be Mubarak himself (although possibly taped a while ago). The differences are much more obvious on video. Fubarak is younger, has much snappier movements, especially his head and chin, and has smoother skin. His hairline is cleaner. His eyes move differently. There are probably a lot more things one could find with some time.
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Post by artemis on Feb 11, 2011 3:58:39 GMT -5
I didnt have to look 2wice at the pic to realize that we deal with a fake. A rough comparison. The first pic is the original Mubarak, but not sure about the other 2. Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Post by artemis on Feb 11, 2011 11:13:15 GMT -5
"Breaking news: Egypt's President Mubarak resigns from power" Earlier today they said he COULD BE (pay attention, he COULD BE!) in SHARM EL SHEIKH... What a stinky game!
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