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Post by lucy on Apr 12, 2010 14:14:48 GMT -5
Okay, the Paul Stanley to Fher replacement was a joke. Although it would not surprise me if they took a man to replace a woman celebrity... Don't think they could pull off a woman to replace a male celebrity..
Linda Evans, I was wondering if she was replaced after "Big Valley" but before her days on Dynasty, because I never really got that as the same woman.
Though I will remind folks that she was a wife to John Derek prior to his marriage to Bo "10" Derek.
Perhaps John Derek was a "handler" and he created these female icons...His first wife was Ursula Andress. Seems kinda odd how Bo and the Dynasty "Linda" looked alike....
I think one has to take pics of Keith Richards through the decades to really try to see if there had been a change. I'm thinking the timing could have been close to the time of Brian Jones' death. There was a change in the music and Keith started to look a bit strung out by 1970...of course, the severe drug abuse...I'm thinking more pics from late 60's and early 70's would be of help.
Stephanie Powers...not sure of.
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Post by The Mask on Apr 13, 2010 15:31:30 GMT -5
Linda Evans, I was wondering if she was replaced after "Big Valley" but before her days on Dynasty, because I never really got that as the same woman. Yeah, that's when I had her replaced initially. |
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Post by lucy on Apr 13, 2010 17:59:55 GMT -5
The Dynasty Linda seemed rather plastic as compared to the natural beauty of the Linda of the Big Valley era.
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Post by artemis on Apr 17, 2010 17:38:22 GMT -5
LUCILLE BALL is intriguing me. Well, she might have been the same woman all along, but in the 30's she looked different than after. She was pretty already, no idea why she wore that quite ridiculous make up/mask/whatever that made her look like JOAN CRAWFORD. Thoughts?
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Post by lucy on Apr 17, 2010 19:25:21 GMT -5
You're right, she did look rather "clownish" with her image in her later years.
Wouldn't know why she would make herself look so harsh with the red hair.
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Post by The Mask on Apr 17, 2010 19:30:58 GMT -5
Yes, I've beein thinking for quite awhile that Lucille Ball was replaced....mainly because of the voice...cigarettes or no cigarettes.  |
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Post by artemis on Apr 18, 2010 8:21:57 GMT -5
LUCILLE BALL around 1935  1939  1939/1940  1940  1945   Also in the 1940's  LUCILLE(?)&top programmer/handler BOB HOPE. Note the birdcage on her head. Hint, hint... How subtle these guys are, makes u laugh...  In the 1960's. Total clown.  In her last days  |
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Post by skeptical on Apr 19, 2010 12:43:06 GMT -5
That 1945 pic is that actress who was in Along Came Polly....Deborah? Can't remember her name....But she was in a long running tv show--Will and Grace.
Either that replacement picture is of this gal or this Deborah actress is the replacement's kid/bloodline.
Freaky freaky Hollywood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by artemis on Apr 19, 2010 14:39:14 GMT -5
U mean DEBRA MESSING... Yes, there is some ressemblance. Mite be the same matter, common DNA...
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Post by beatlies on Apr 19, 2010 18:57:38 GMT -5
In May 1960 Lucille Ball had to withdraw form a theatrical show she was doing (called "Wildcat") due to illness, acc. to her wikipedia page. 1960 was also the year of her divorce with Desi Arnaz and the end of their television work together.
1961 has no imdb listing for Lucille Ball: she seems to have done nothing that year. This is very strange for the driven, workaholic, top celebrity Lucille Ball (I Love Lucy ended its run in 1957 but she had done TV shows in the Lucy character continuously through 1960).
1962 Lucy did a TV special and movie with BOB HOPE as her love interest, basically replacing Desi Arnaz in that Hollywood role. And she started her first post-Desi TV vehicle, The Lucy Show. Or was this the premier of Fucille Fall?
I would like to see/hear some ear/profile/voice comparisons between the 1950s Lucille Ball and post-1960 Lucy.
Lucy's spectacular, pioneering TV career and life almost crashed in 1953 due to a HUAC investigation of her activity in the 1930s communist party, and her allegedly communist grandfather. She made the powers that be very nervous; the specter of a top-rated, on-screen marriage of the talented "Red with red hair' white woman to a swarthy Latino man probably didn't help her much either.... with the Cuban Revolution in 1959-1961 one can imagine that the CIA media controllers must have been getting very itchy "replaCIAment" fingers for the popular couple.
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IMDB EXCERPT:
The Lucy Show" .... Lucy Carmichael / ... (156 episodes, 1962-1968)
... aka "The Lucille Ball Show" - USA (alternative title)
- Lucy and 'The Boss of the Year' Award (1968) TV episode .... Lucy Carmichael
- Lucy and Sid Caesar (1968) TV episode .... Lucy Carmichael
- Lucy and the Lost Star (1968) TV episode .... Lucy Carmichael
- Lucy Helps Ken Berry (1968) TV episode .... Lucy Carmichael
- Lucy and Phil Harris (1968) TV episode .... Lucy Carmichael
(151 more)
A Guide for the Married Man (1967) .... Technical Adviser (Mrs. Joe X)
All About People (1967) .... Narrator
Lucy in London (1966) (TV) .... Lucy Carmichael
Mr. and Mrs. (1964) (TV) .... Bonnie Blakely
"The Greatest Show on Earth" .... Kate Reynolds (1 episode, 1963)
- Lady in Limbo (1963) TV episode .... Kate Reynolds
Critic's Choice (1963) .... Angela Ballantine
"The Bob Hope Show" (1 episode, 1962)
- Episode dated 24 October 1962 (1962) TV episode
The Good Years (1962)
The Facts of Life (1960) .... Kitty Weaver
"The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour" .... Lucy Ricardo (13 episodes, 1957-1960)
... aka "We Love Lucy" - USA (syndication title)
- Lucy Meets the Mustache (1960) TV episode .... Lucy Ricardo
- The Ricardos Go to Japan (1959) TV episode .... Lucy Ricardo
- Milton Berle Hides at the Ricardos (1959) TV episode .... Lucy Ricardo
- Lucy's Summer Vacation (1959) TV episode .... Lucy Ricardo
- Lucy Wants a Career (1959) TV episode .... Lucy Ricardo
(8 more)
"Sunday Showcase" .... Lucy Ricardo (1 episode, 1959)
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Post by The Mask on Apr 19, 2010 21:01:33 GMT -5
Lucille in The Facts of Life(1960) Lucille? in The Good Years(1962) |
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Post by artemis on Apr 20, 2010 4:27:13 GMT -5
I suspect she was (first) replaced in the 1950's (if not at the end of 40's).
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Post by sherlok on Apr 20, 2010 11:29:40 GMT -5
It's been suggested that the name of her show was really "I Love Lucifer"
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Post by artemis on Apr 20, 2010 14:19:39 GMT -5
Could be, no wonder after all..
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Post by artemis on Apr 20, 2010 14:32:19 GMT -5
Comments on her voice:
"Did she purposely raise the pitch of her voice in I LOVE LUCY, perhaps to convey a younger and more innocent image for the character? Obviously, if she did, she tossed that voice in favor of the lower and huskier one once she began HERE'S LUCY (or maybe THE LUCY SHOW, which I'm unfamiliar with). Maybe her voice was naturally higher during I LOVE LUCY and lowered naturally later on?"
"Smoking made her voice heavier and lower she prorbaly had more range with it from the ILL days but later on it was lower from her smoking."
"Yes, her voice is much lower in Here's Lucy and the Lucy Show, due to the smoking and age.
You have to remember that ILL started in 1951 and Here's Lucy ended about 1974. Even in ILL, her voice is lower in the last seasons and the comedy episodes than it was in the first few seasons of ILL. It's not as noticeable, but it is lower."
"I read Lucy's Memoir, and in it she says when she first came to hollywood they told her she had to lower her voice by four tones because her voice was too high pitched. So, for "I Love Lucy" she brought it back up for the character, but her voice was lower from years of training it to be that way. Then, in her later years it was much deeper from smoking, by the end of "Here's Lucy" she definately had a smokers voice."
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