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npincus (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-28-08 10:22 AM
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October Surprise? News Organizations Investigate Possible Fatal McCain Car Crash ('64)
Advertisements [?]Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 10:23 AM by npincus
www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/news-orgs-inve...
For the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news service have been engaged in a legal battle with the United States Navy over records that they believe show that John McCain once was involved in an automobile accident that injured or, perhaps, killed another individual.
Vanity Fair magazine and the National Security News Service claim to have knowledge "developed from first-hand sources" of a car crash that involved then-Lt. McCain at the main gate of a Virginia naval base in 1964, according to legal filings. The incident has been largely, if not entirely, kept from the public. in documents suing the Navy to release pertinent information, lawyers for the NS News Service allege that a cover-up may be at play.
"Plaintiffs have also obtained documents showing that law enforcement officers were ordered back to the accident scene to retrieve personal physical effects. The Navy has never publicly acknowledged this information," one document reads. "This request involves federal government activity, as it addresses what may be an attempt by the Navy to protect by concealment the involvement of a former Navy officer, sitting Senator and Presidential candidate in a serious incident involving the injury or death of another human being."
The first request for information concerning duty assignment logs to Portsmouth Naval Hospital -- where McCain was allegedly brought after the accident -- came in the form of a Freedom of Information Act request on August 28, 2008. The Navy acknowledged receipt of the request and advised that it had located the relevant information a few weeks later, only to deny the FOIA on grounds that it didn't prove an "imminent threat to the life or physical safety of an individual" or satisfy the criteria of "a breaking news story of general public interest."
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October Surprise? News Organizations Investigate Possible Fatal McCain Car Crash ('64) npincus Oct-28-08 10:22 AM #0
McKiller? RUMMYisFROSTED Oct-28-08 10:23 AM #1
If McShame was a bomber pilot rather than a fighter pilot, he probably had many opportunities indepat Oct-28-08 11:51 AM #67
So, McCain pulled a Laura B*sh? Fascinating. K&R dicksteele Oct-28-08 10:23 AM #2
Just like Laura! Sannum Oct-28-08 10:24 AM #3
Ugh. Dragging this stuff out of the muck SmokingJacket Oct-28-08 10:24 AM #4
I agree. What relevance does it have to today? Richardo Oct-28-08 10:27 AM #9
About as much relevance connecticut yankee Oct-28-08 10:30 AM #14
Exactly. Richardo Oct-28-08 10:32 AM #18
I agree. nt JerseygirlCT Oct-28-08 08:33 PM #78
More than that! If it was, as it seems, covered up, then we have another tblue37 Oct-28-08 10:43 AM #32
What you said and more Mabus Oct-28-08 10:49 AM #35
Very well put. iceman66 Oct-28-08 10:54 AM #38
So then you would say that Chappaquidick was also irrelevant to... speedoo Oct-28-08 10:34 AM #21
Sorry, but that is very different. That incident is very well known bushisanidiot Oct-28-08 10:55 AM #39
I agree with you. But I object to the dismissal of the possible McCain incident as irrelevant. speedoo Oct-28-08 11:30 AM #64
133 sailors may have died because of McCain's "prank" catgirl Oct-28-08 11:43 AM #65
Tell that to President Edward Kennedy. Oh, wait. nt glitch Oct-28-08 11:04 AM #49
not the same Connonym Oct-29-08 05:16 AM #79
True McCain's would be much worse, but they did use the accident to keep Ted from the presidency. nt glitch Oct-29-08 07:40 AM #85
Character issue maybe - considering what it turns out to be Mira Oct-28-08 11:06 AM #53
Offense is better than playing prevent defense until the 4th wolverinez Oct-28-08 11:56 AM #68
Yeah, but these old news stories never have traction. SmokingJacket Oct-28-08 12:13 PM #69
Either it happened or it didn't. rocknation Oct-28-08 01:54 PM #71
So here's another possible explanation why McBush doesn't want babylonsister Oct-28-08 10:25 AM #5
completely off topic Maine-ah Oct-28-08 10:54 AM #37
Hahaha! babylonsister Oct-28-08 11:00 AM #42
Interesting.... texasleo Oct-28-08 10:25 AM #6
Killian Memos, part 2? high density Oct-28-08 10:26 AM #7
Bingo! Phoebe Loosinhouse Oct-28-08 11:25 AM #62
Sounds like what Laura Bush did. bushisanidiot Oct-28-08 10:26 AM #8
Who says Rove didn't use it? After all, McCain did drop from the pacoyogi Oct-28-08 10:35 AM #23
Awwww Mannnnn! I Thought You Meant HE Was Killed! I Was Gonna Say YES! I Knew He Was The Undead!! OPERATIONMINDCRIME Oct-28-08 10:27 AM #10
Focus on issues lilymidnite Oct-28-08 10:27 AM #
McDUI Gato Moteado Oct-28-08 10:27 AM #11
Use this story AFTER we kick his ass on Election Day zulchzulu Oct-28-08 10:28 AM #12
No surprise there. Get it out:P shotten99 Oct-28-08 10:30 AM #13
Pulling this crap the week before the election is not a good idea. yardwork Oct-28-08 10:31 AM #15
fits with the kind of reckless pilot he was. xchrom Oct-28-08 10:31 AM #16
and with his family connections Mabus Oct-28-08 10:42 AM #30
it's incredibly important these things get out -- xchrom Oct-28-08 11:00 AM #43
Joe the Plumber, Tito the Builder, Jane the Florist, John the Hit-and-Runner? npincus Oct-28-08 10:32 AM #17
Who is John McCain??? ErinBerin84 Oct-28-08 10:32 AM #19
LEAVE IT ALONE! Plaid Adder Oct-28-08 10:32 AM #20
It can be investigated. It's not going to media yet. Festivito Oct-28-08 11:14 AM #60
at the main gate? GreatCaesarsGhost Oct-28-08 10:34 AM #22
Trying to use this is a SUPREMELY BAD IDEA scheming daemons Oct-28-08 10:36 AM #24
I agree 100 percent...don't touch this... TwoSparkles Oct-28-08 02:08 PM #72
Vanity Fair & NSNS can do what they damn well please. Obama won't go near it. Jackpine Radical Oct-28-08 10:38 AM #25
Exactly! He is way too smart. glitch Oct-28-08 11:11 AM #57
Deleted message Name removed Oct-28-08 10:38 AM #26
How would this not be "a breaking news story of general public inteetrest"? tblue37 Oct-28-08 10:39 AM #27
He has the scars to prove it grantcart Oct-28-08 10:39 AM #28
NO! Don' Leave it alone: McCain is a liar, and if this was covered up, old mark Oct-28-08 10:41 AM #29
It's not the crime, it's the coverup. Anyone can have an accident. But it sounds like McCain may katandmoon Oct-28-08 10:42 AM #31
If we make this incident an issue in the final week, it will HURT us scheming daemons Oct-28-08 10:44 AM #33
So any and all potential ammunition against McCain should be kept under wraps so as not to hurt US? katandmoon Oct-28-08 11:03 AM #46
No...not any.... *THIS* particular issue won't work.... scheming daemons Oct-28-08 11:07 AM #55
As long as Obama and the campaign don't make an issue about it TornadoTN Oct-28-08 11:03 AM #47
But if it is true, the point is the cover-up. nt tblue37 Oct-28-08 10:44 AM #34
What strings did Admiral daddy pull for you, John? No Surrender Oct-28-08 10:51 AM #36
It's pretty obvious after five crashed planes that someone was pulling strings TornadoTN Oct-28-08 11:05 AM #50
IT'S A TRAP! mtnester Oct-28-08 10:58 AM #40
Obama campaign needs to not take the bait, certainly. There is no reason journalists shouldn't glitch Oct-28-08 11:07 AM #54
This story stinks of sensationalism... and doesn't help Essene Oct-28-08 02:11 PM #73
Not saying there isn't something to this, but why would the story have been covered onenote Oct-28-08 10:58 AM #41
My guess is it would make his family look very bad, possibly hurt daddy's career TornadoTN Oct-28-08 11:02 AM #
Son of an admiral who was the son of an admiral IWantAnyDem Oct-28-08 11:02 AM #44
His dad did have his career to think about Mabus Oct-28-08 11:49 AM #66
They started too late. Orsino Oct-28-08 11:02 AM #45
Let it come out, then... av8rdave Oct-28-08 11:03 AM #48
No one cares. graywarrior Oct-28-08 11:05 AM #51
I think we can win without this. WI_DEM Oct-28-08 11:06 AM #52
Let's not go there... ddeclue Oct-28-08 11:09 AM #56
I agree... 1964? No one will care Blasphemer Oct-28-08 11:12 AM #58
"They don't want to be hit with this kind of "politics as usual" story." redqueen Oct-28-08 11:20 AM #61
What is important is that if this rumor is true, this is an early abuse of power. I also want to OmmmSweetOmmm Oct-28-08 11:14 AM #59
If this happened to be true and McCain happened to be responsible Vinca Oct-28-08 11:29 AM #63
McCain wasn't just ANY officer, he is the son of a VERY high-ranking official in the Navy. progressivebydesign Oct-28-08 12:19 PM #70
and grandson of one of the biggest names in 20th century naval history Essene Oct-28-08 02:12 PM #75
Oh goodie, then the RW can orgasm about Chappaquiddick all over. progressoid Oct-28-08 02:12 PM #74
that's why he has 13 cars! (so he may have some left). Hes not much good with planes either! bambino Oct-28-08 02:15 PM #76
Wow... yet not surprising at all due to his.... crossroads Oct-28-08 08:32 PM #77
This smells of Rove JJ Oct-29-08 05:27 AM #80
How do they always get away with this crap? Usrename Oct-29-08 06:01 AM #81
Newsflash: Obama knows what he's doing, he has the information sohndrsmith Oct-29-08 06:26 AM #82
Obama shouldn't touch this hot potato. The magazines should keep digging. political_Dem Oct-29-08 06:33 AM #83
McCain's been dead since 1964? Wow does that explain a lot! Kber Oct-29-08 07:40 AM #84
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npincus (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-28-08 10:22 AM
Original message
October Surprise? News Organizations Investigate Possible Fatal McCain Car Crash ('64)
Advertisements [?]Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 10:23 AM by npincus
www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/news-orgs-inve...
For the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news service have been engaged in a legal battle with the United States Navy over records that they believe show that John McCain once was involved in an automobile accident that injured or, perhaps, killed another individual.
Vanity Fair magazine and the National Security News Service claim to have knowledge "developed from first-hand sources" of a car crash that involved then-Lt. McCain at the main gate of a Virginia naval base in 1964, according to legal filings. The incident has been largely, if not entirely, kept from the public. in documents suing the Navy to release pertinent information, lawyers for the NS News Service allege that a cover-up may be at play.
"Plaintiffs have also obtained documents showing that law enforcement officers were ordered back to the accident scene to retrieve personal physical effects. The Navy has never publicly acknowledged this information," one document reads. "This request involves federal government activity, as it addresses what may be an attempt by the Navy to protect by concealment the involvement of a former Navy officer, sitting Senator and Presidential candidate in a serious incident involving the injury or death of another human being."
The first request for information concerning duty assignment logs to Portsmouth Naval Hospital -- where McCain was allegedly brought after the accident -- came in the form of a Freedom of Information Act request on August 28, 2008. The Navy acknowledged receipt of the request and advised that it had located the relevant information a few weeks later, only to deny the FOIA on grounds that it didn't prove an "imminent threat to the life or physical safety of an individual" or satisfy the criteria of "a breaking news story of general public interest."
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October Surprise? News Organizations Investigate Possible Fatal McCain Car Crash ('64) npincus Oct-28-08 10:22 AM #0
McKiller? RUMMYisFROSTED Oct-28-08 10:23 AM #1
If McShame was a bomber pilot rather than a fighter pilot, he probably had many opportunities indepat Oct-28-08 11:51 AM #67
So, McCain pulled a Laura B*sh? Fascinating. K&R dicksteele Oct-28-08 10:23 AM #2
Just like Laura! Sannum Oct-28-08 10:24 AM #3
Ugh. Dragging this stuff out of the muck SmokingJacket Oct-28-08 10:24 AM #4
I agree. What relevance does it have to today? Richardo Oct-28-08 10:27 AM #9
About as much relevance connecticut yankee Oct-28-08 10:30 AM #14
Exactly. Richardo Oct-28-08 10:32 AM #18
I agree. nt JerseygirlCT Oct-28-08 08:33 PM #78
More than that! If it was, as it seems, covered up, then we have another tblue37 Oct-28-08 10:43 AM #32
What you said and more Mabus Oct-28-08 10:49 AM #35
Very well put. iceman66 Oct-28-08 10:54 AM #38
So then you would say that Chappaquidick was also irrelevant to... speedoo Oct-28-08 10:34 AM #21
Sorry, but that is very different. That incident is very well known bushisanidiot Oct-28-08 10:55 AM #39
I agree with you. But I object to the dismissal of the possible McCain incident as irrelevant. speedoo Oct-28-08 11:30 AM #64
133 sailors may have died because of McCain's "prank" catgirl Oct-28-08 11:43 AM #65
Tell that to President Edward Kennedy. Oh, wait. nt glitch Oct-28-08 11:04 AM #49
not the same Connonym Oct-29-08 05:16 AM #79
True McCain's would be much worse, but they did use the accident to keep Ted from the presidency. nt glitch Oct-29-08 07:40 AM #85
Character issue maybe - considering what it turns out to be Mira Oct-28-08 11:06 AM #53
Offense is better than playing prevent defense until the 4th wolverinez Oct-28-08 11:56 AM #68
Yeah, but these old news stories never have traction. SmokingJacket Oct-28-08 12:13 PM #69
Either it happened or it didn't. rocknation Oct-28-08 01:54 PM #71
So here's another possible explanation why McBush doesn't want babylonsister Oct-28-08 10:25 AM #5
completely off topic Maine-ah Oct-28-08 10:54 AM #37
Hahaha! babylonsister Oct-28-08 11:00 AM #42
Interesting.... texasleo Oct-28-08 10:25 AM #6
Killian Memos, part 2? high density Oct-28-08 10:26 AM #7
Bingo! Phoebe Loosinhouse Oct-28-08 11:25 AM #62
Sounds like what Laura Bush did. bushisanidiot Oct-28-08 10:26 AM #8
Who says Rove didn't use it? After all, McCain did drop from the pacoyogi Oct-28-08 10:35 AM #23
Awwww Mannnnn! I Thought You Meant HE Was Killed! I Was Gonna Say YES! I Knew He Was The Undead!! OPERATIONMINDCRIME Oct-28-08 10:27 AM #10
Focus on issues lilymidnite Oct-28-08 10:27 AM #
McDUI Gato Moteado Oct-28-08 10:27 AM #11
Use this story AFTER we kick his ass on Election Day zulchzulu Oct-28-08 10:28 AM #12
No surprise there. Get it out:P shotten99 Oct-28-08 10:30 AM #13
Pulling this crap the week before the election is not a good idea. yardwork Oct-28-08 10:31 AM #15
fits with the kind of reckless pilot he was. xchrom Oct-28-08 10:31 AM #16
and with his family connections Mabus Oct-28-08 10:42 AM #30
it's incredibly important these things get out -- xchrom Oct-28-08 11:00 AM #43
Joe the Plumber, Tito the Builder, Jane the Florist, John the Hit-and-Runner? npincus Oct-28-08 10:32 AM #17
Who is John McCain??? ErinBerin84 Oct-28-08 10:32 AM #19
LEAVE IT ALONE! Plaid Adder Oct-28-08 10:32 AM #20
It can be investigated. It's not going to media yet. Festivito Oct-28-08 11:14 AM #60
at the main gate? GreatCaesarsGhost Oct-28-08 10:34 AM #22
Trying to use this is a SUPREMELY BAD IDEA scheming daemons Oct-28-08 10:36 AM #24
I agree 100 percent...don't touch this... TwoSparkles Oct-28-08 02:08 PM #72
Vanity Fair & NSNS can do what they damn well please. Obama won't go near it. Jackpine Radical Oct-28-08 10:38 AM #25
Exactly! He is way too smart. glitch Oct-28-08 11:11 AM #57
Deleted message Name removed Oct-28-08 10:38 AM #26
How would this not be "a breaking news story of general public inteetrest"? tblue37 Oct-28-08 10:39 AM #27
He has the scars to prove it grantcart Oct-28-08 10:39 AM #28
NO! Don' Leave it alone: McCain is a liar, and if this was covered up, old mark Oct-28-08 10:41 AM #29
It's not the crime, it's the coverup. Anyone can have an accident. But it sounds like McCain may katandmoon Oct-28-08 10:42 AM #31
If we make this incident an issue in the final week, it will HURT us scheming daemons Oct-28-08 10:44 AM #33
So any and all potential ammunition against McCain should be kept under wraps so as not to hurt US? katandmoon Oct-28-08 11:03 AM #46
No...not any.... *THIS* particular issue won't work.... scheming daemons Oct-28-08 11:07 AM #55
As long as Obama and the campaign don't make an issue about it TornadoTN Oct-28-08 11:03 AM #47
But if it is true, the point is the cover-up. nt tblue37 Oct-28-08 10:44 AM #34
What strings did Admiral daddy pull for you, John? No Surrender Oct-28-08 10:51 AM #36
It's pretty obvious after five crashed planes that someone was pulling strings TornadoTN Oct-28-08 11:05 AM #50
IT'S A TRAP! mtnester Oct-28-08 10:58 AM #40
Obama campaign needs to not take the bait, certainly. There is no reason journalists shouldn't glitch Oct-28-08 11:07 AM #54
This story stinks of sensationalism... and doesn't help Essene Oct-28-08 02:11 PM #73
Not saying there isn't something to this, but why would the story have been covered onenote Oct-28-08 10:58 AM #41
My guess is it would make his family look very bad, possibly hurt daddy's career TornadoTN Oct-28-08 11:02 AM #
Son of an admiral who was the son of an admiral IWantAnyDem Oct-28-08 11:02 AM #44
His dad did have his career to think about Mabus Oct-28-08 11:49 AM #66
They started too late. Orsino Oct-28-08 11:02 AM #45
Let it come out, then... av8rdave Oct-28-08 11:03 AM #48
No one cares. graywarrior Oct-28-08 11:05 AM #51
I think we can win without this. WI_DEM Oct-28-08 11:06 AM #52
Let's not go there... ddeclue Oct-28-08 11:09 AM #56
I agree... 1964? No one will care Blasphemer Oct-28-08 11:12 AM #58
"They don't want to be hit with this kind of "politics as usual" story." redqueen Oct-28-08 11:20 AM #61
What is important is that if this rumor is true, this is an early abuse of power. I also want to OmmmSweetOmmm Oct-28-08 11:14 AM #59
If this happened to be true and McCain happened to be responsible Vinca Oct-28-08 11:29 AM #63
McCain wasn't just ANY officer, he is the son of a VERY high-ranking official in the Navy. progressivebydesign Oct-28-08 12:19 PM #70
and grandson of one of the biggest names in 20th century naval history Essene Oct-28-08 02:12 PM #75
Oh goodie, then the RW can orgasm about Chappaquiddick all over. progressoid Oct-28-08 02:12 PM #74
that's why he has 13 cars! (so he may have some left). Hes not much good with planes either! bambino Oct-28-08 02:15 PM #76
Wow... yet not surprising at all due to his.... crossroads Oct-28-08 08:32 PM #77
This smells of Rove JJ Oct-29-08 05:27 AM #80
How do they always get away with this crap? Usrename Oct-29-08 06:01 AM #81
Newsflash: Obama knows what he's doing, he has the information sohndrsmith Oct-29-08 06:26 AM #82
Obama shouldn't touch this hot potato. The magazines should keep digging. political_Dem Oct-29-08 06:33 AM #83
McCain's been dead since 1964? Wow does that explain a lot! Kber Oct-29-08 07:40 AM #84