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Post by GetSmart on May 14, 2011 14:32:40 GMT -5
After doing quite a bit of research of my own about doubles, impersonators, impostors, clones and synthetic robotoids, I have come to the conclusion that this is a Significant Phenomenon of quite large proportion affecting many individuals in positions of power or influence.
While discovering who may have been replaced, for what possible reasons and at what time and circumstances has been challenging, it invariably leads to the inevitable difficulty in establishing formally who may be behind this strategy and what purpose it is intended to serve.
To help explain and examine in deeper perspective what we usually only notice in the surface, noticeable changes to an individual's face or physique which cannot be readily explained away by plastic surgery or changes in manner or style, we must pursue multiple paths of exploration and analyse any possible theories which might stem from various lines of thought. For starters I shall list a few.
1. A Nazi Continuum seeking to take over the world through mind controlled doppelgangers and genetically engineer a new super race;
2. The Royal Bloodlines led by the Saxe Coburg Gotha royal family ruled by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II using doubles to turn the entire world into their secret colony and all of us into their unwitting subjects;
3. International Communists gone underground during the faked Perestroika to deceive the West while furthering their plans to take over the planet using replacement politicians and influencing the masses with entertainment impostors;
4. An Illuminati Conspiracy having designs on our entire planet for centuries and using Freemasonry and any number of other secret societies and worldly powers to further their agenda to run the world for the Watchers and replace whomever they wish with a double;
5. Extraterrestrial Aliens using a human power elite and black ops secret military scientists to clone and replace any individual furthering their plans for a world takeover preparing for a massive invasion;
6. Demonic entities from another dimension we might call Hell which use people, whether cloned or not, as Host Avatars to invest our society and further their agenda of Helter Skelter, turning Earth into a living hell.
7. Our usual historical prison keepers having a hard time keeping our wardens in line and therefore replacing them to smooth out operations and prevent a jail break.
8. Any combination of the above.
This first series of suggestions is only to get the ball rolling. I will add to the list in this first post any suggestions you may have. Thanks for giving it a toss, for if we don't figure out who or what is behind the doppelganger phenomonon it will be too late to ever do anything about it.
Getsmart
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Post by artemis on May 14, 2011 14:37:10 GMT -5
I think all these have been discussed here big time.
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Post by GetSmart on May 14, 2011 14:50:36 GMT -5
Hi Artemis,
Good to have you on board. Please don't think I'm bashing the main pursuit of the forum as I've spent several years myself working hard at examining many thousands of pictures, portraits and videos of public figures to identify features and ascertain the probability of their replacement.
However, I thought that a thread dedicated to an investigative effort into who or what is behind this phenomenon would not be superfluous, and that it could help to keep the debate focused on the validity or likelihood of various premises, clues and hypothetical speculations.
Since you are a member of long standing, I am sure you would have many useful observations to contribute to a discussion about who or what might be running the show. You will note that I didn't get into the Zionist theory which John Lennon denounced weeks prior to being himself murdered and replaced by his first double in 1967. This can always be corrected later.
Thanks in advance for your contributions to this thread.
Getsmart
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Post by goro on May 15, 2011 12:34:48 GMT -5
It's tricky, we certainly have hammered away at this topic from a lot of directions before - and through many threads. Some of the best discussions I feel have been when we veer "off topic" for a bit so the ideas and comments aren't always organized neatly in one thread, which scatters the clarity of the debate at times.
For what it's worth, I personally feel through my own experiences that it is a combination of Luciferian or demonic energies which in turn manifest through various indviduals - some human, some of "ET' origin, and some a hybrid of both (such as royals who might be partly reptilian ET and prone to demonic infestation.)
I do know that the gatekeeper phenomenon is real. I experienced this in the performing arts and also in publishing. I was presented with very real deal with the devil situations in which is was made very clear to me that I would either agree to being taken over by extremely demonic energies, coupled with some really nasty human (but probably highly ET influenced) "managers" who would manage my career and personal life from that point on.
This also happened in the world of website development. A few years ago I was developing a "brand" with a website and content I was creating and it caught the attention of a high powered Silicon Valley "angel investor" (demon investor!) who sold one of his companies to Barry Diller for something like 100$ million. A nice-seeming "handler" arrived in my life to try to get me to go and meet with this guy in California, supportive of my website and ideas, catering to my ego, telling me that this guy would have the money and software people to turn my site into the next big content site. I sniffed the guy out in dreamspace and was finally able to lucidly perceive what he was all about - combination of very negative occult sorcery/use of dark spells and demonic infestation. The guy was Indian (from India, not American Indian.)
I said no, thank you, and it took several weeks to shake off this guy's slimy energy.
Very similar experiences in the performing arts and in book publishing.
I always say no and just do my own thing as a self-employed person.
PS I will add that there is something very important about CONTRACTS. In each case, I was presented with a low level handler/agent/manager who showered me with sunshine and compliments and big promises and grew more and more desperate to RUSH me into signing a contract. Sometimes it would start with a simple non-disclosure agreement so that we could get going after that with serious discussions about what they REALLY wanted to do with me. I would always slow things down to a crawl while I was sniffing out the energy, which would make them more desperate. One book editor finally came at me with claws almost literally exposed because I was so slow about agreeing to go into business with them - I could sense the energies were all wrong and I was concerned. She apparently then came under major pressure by the critters that were HER bosses/controllers to get me signed. And then the offers got bizarre. Went from a six figure deal in the $100,000-$200,000 range for a book series to almost half a million.
When they get upset and desperate, you can psychically "smell" the critters a lot better because they will reveal themselves. This particular editor was a partially possessed woman who had messed with darker occult stuff, and her boss was possessed fully by the Nordic looking/albino type ET's so popular with the Nazis. Same critters.
When you say NO and walk away, they will chase after you for a while, sometimes using a combination of personal intimidation, career threats ("You'll never work in the industry again!") and then they will suddenly shift into compliments and praise and building you up as a big "star."
It's all crap. Just say no. Don't sign the contract. If you do, you give them permission to access your personal, emotional, financial, and psychic energies, and you're freakin' toast.
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Post by GetSmart on May 16, 2011 2:23:54 GMT -5
Hi Goro, Thanks for sharing your candid observations with us, your testimonial vindicates the purpose of this thread and your contributions go beyond what we might have hoped. This is also partly thanks to the support group in the Doppelgangers forum, where there is shared insight into the manipulation of our society which elsewhere people block from their view as they are unable to accept such a likelihood, much less confront in analytically. For what it's worth, I personally feel through my own experiences that it is a combination of Luciferian or demonic energies which in turn manifest through various indviduals - some human, some of "ET' origin, and some a hybrid of both (such as royals who might be partly reptilian ET and prone to demonic infestation.) This is very interesting. For it seems that like many you would choose option 8 which is a combination of influences. To resume, there would be a Luciferian war of Evil against Good in which various beings take sides, whether they are human or of extraterrestrial origin. Unless I mistakenly construe your intent, this would mean that we have several levels of implication. A higher level where on the spiritual plane, that of souls and disincarnate entities, there are positive and negative powers embattled and there is our physical world to which such battles extend their conflict by either "inspiring" or possessing the souls of earthly humans or maybe even extraterrestrial beings. I do know that the gatekeeper phenomenon is real. I experienced this in the performing arts and also in publishing. I was presented with very real deal with the devil situations in which is was made very clear to me that I would either agree to being taken over by extremely demonic energies, coupled with some really nasty human (but probably highly ET influenced) "managers" who would manage my career and personal life from that point on. Your experience is characteristic of people who resist the tracing of their path to success with the networks in place of what you term "gatekeepers" which can be found in much of today's society. From my own experience this gatekeeping is in part enforced through secret societies using top down through Freemasonry the power of hidden influence to end someone's career prospects or pave their way to success. Here is an example of the profound unhappiness of those who sell out to them, in this case an Impostor who took the place of a murdered Bob Dylan and made his own deal with the Devil. Bargain with "Chief Commander" on this Earth... and the world we can't seeThis also happened in the world of website development. A few years ago I was developing a "brand" with a website and content I was creating and it caught the attention of a high powered Silicon Valley "angel investor" (demon investor!) who sold one of his companies to Barry Diller for something like 100$ million. A nice-seeming "handler" arrived in my life to try to get me to go and meet with this guy in California, supportive of my website and ideas, catering to my ego, telling me that this guy would have the money and software people to turn my site into the next big content site. I sniffed the guy out in dreamspace and was finally able to lucidly perceive what he was all about - combination of very negative occult sorcery/use of dark spells and demonic infestation. The guy was Indian (from India, not American Indian.) This situation points out the difficulty of "sniffing out" such a situation given that the false assurances of scientific observation manage to prevent most people from granting credence to intuitions about people or events. It is fortunate that you had a sensitivity to "them" and realized that something was up. Also your openness to dream messages was salutary, there is something to be said about spells and ghouls being involved - hopefully one day we will be able to find technological means of detecting such phenomena which will bring the skeptics to realize what is up, much like with the use of special sunglasses in the movie "They Live". How technology can open anyone's eyesI said no, thank you, and it took several weeks to shake off this guy's slimy energy. Very similar experiences in the performing arts and in book publishing. I always say no and just do my own thing as a self-employed person. Sensing energy using our own biometric means is probably the only thing we've got going for us in this battle to take over earth. Unfortunately is is quite difficult to maintain in alert because not only are such nefarious protagonists in many places, they are invariably part of the "establishment" in most fields of endeavor. They are usually the ones the media says are tops, those who are admired for whatever false reasons in the profession, the mainstays who are pillars of society. This makes it all the harder to distance oneself from the barrage of falsehoods regarding who they really are and what they are really up to. PS I will add that there is something very important about CONTRACTS. In each case, I was presented with a low level handler/agent/manager who showered me with sunshine and compliments and big promises and grew more and more desperate to RUSH me into signing a contract. Sometimes it would start with a simple non-disclosure agreement so that we could get going after that with serious discussions about what they REALLY wanted to do with me. I would always slow things down to a crawl while I was sniffing out the energy, which would make them more desperate. One book editor finally came at me with claws almost literally exposed because I was so slow about agreeing to go into business with them - I could sense the energies were all wrong and I was concerned. She apparently then came under major pressure by the critters that were HER bosses/controllers to get me signed. And then the offers got bizarre. Went from a six figure deal in the $100,000-$200,000 range for a book series to almost half a million. They have access to the slush funds, digitally created currency, as well as their own privatized currency printing presses such as two unofficial ones the Fed reportedly runs day and night in Indonesia. So wealth easy for them to generate, and is one of the lures they have used since the earliest of times. They use this to artificially leverage life changes for whoever submits their will to their purposes. This also happens to give their minions power granted by an official position, social status and enough wealth to get things done. They also use our quest for love tempting us with beauty and luxury, not to mention appealing to our vanity with flattery and honors. These are the not so discrete ropes with which they have hogtied most of those they then catapult into positions of authority and power, maintaining them there by compromising them, blackmailing them and corrupting them. When they get upset and desperate, you can psychically "smell" the critters a lot better because they will reveal themselves. This particular editor was a partially possessed woman who had messed with darker occult stuff, and her boss was possessed fully by the Nordic looking/albino type ET's so popular with the Nazis. Same critters. Those who mess with the occult, whether in witchcraft covens, esoteric circles, spiritism or even simple ouija boards become vulnerable candidates for possession or psychic attack. Once they are possessed, however, it is no longer them you are dealing with but one unsavory beast if there ever was one. Regarding her boss, I find it interesting that you note that he was not possessed by a non physical entity but by an actual physical extraterrestrial being taking them over possibly using some device or process? I am quite familiar with the cold-blooded aryan ones, but did not know for certain that the Nordic looking/albino type ET's also took possession of people psychically. By the way, in my opinion, they are quite present among the Illuminati. These are the only "people" I have from time to time sensed were not from here but an invading presence similar to David Vincent's "The Invaders". They don't only speak GermanWhen you say NO and walk away, they will chase after you for a while, sometimes using a combination of personal intimidation, career threats ("You'll never work in the industry again!") and then they will suddenly shift into compliments and praise and building you up as a big "star." It's all crap. Just say no. Don't sign the contract. If you do, you give them permission to access your personal, emotional, financial, and psychic energies, and you're freakin' toast. Their power brokers do the dirty by bullying and threatening, good cop bad cop style with the choice between reward and punishment. Those without backbone or so self-interested to become single purposed usually cede their independence and in the long term their soul. This is current mainstream society's equivalent to the Faustian Bargain. Wikipedia: Deal with the DevilThanks for sharing your perspective on the deep penetration of our society with demonic groups under an "other worldly" influence. Who is behind this is hard to establish at this stage, although we can readily find much testimony that the Royal Bloodlines as well as the Illuminati brotherhood dominating Freemasonry and infiltrating most Western governments are involved as executives as well as executioners. Getsmart |
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Post by goro on May 16, 2011 16:03:49 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I personally feel through my own experiences that it is a combination of Luciferian or demonic energies which in turn manifest through various indviduals - some human, some of "ET' origin, and some a hybrid of both (such as royals who might be partly reptilian ET and prone to demonic infestation.) This is very interesting. For it seems that like many you would choose option 8 which is a combination of influences. To resume, there would be a Luciferian war of Evil against Good in which various beings take sides, whether they are human or of extraterrestrial origin. Unless I mistakenly construe your intent, this would mean that we have several levels of implication. A higher level where on the spiritual plane, that of souls and disincarnate entities, there are positive and negative powers embattled and there is our physical world to which such battles extend their conflict by either "inspiring" or possessing the souls of earthly humans or maybe even extraterrestrial beings. Yes, you're describing what I've been suspecting very well. You see, there are both POSITIVE grays and extremely demonic ones; same with the reptilians and of course, with humans. I do find that humans with positively oriented psychic abilities are heavily hit by the negs of various types, both in the physical realm and in the dreamspace/astral realm, to try to get them to agree to full possession. Many of my psychic friends became completely possessed at some point - mostly due to signing on to doing yoga, becoming channelers, or joining a cult of some type and giving their personal power over to both the "human" leader of that group as well as the Luciferian entities who controlled that group. Your experience is characteristic of people who resist the tracing of their path to success with the networks in place of what you term "gatekeepers" which can be found in much of today's society. From my own experience this gatekeeping is in part enforced through secret societies using top down through Freemasonry the power of hidden influence to end someone's career prospects or pave their way to success. Also the military, the police, and college fraternities - all those secret brotherhood types of places. But the lower players don't realize that they are plugging into these entities in the etheric and they basically become part of their energy field. It's a low level possession. The higher ups (Humans in the organization) agree to full on possession. And of course, some of them aren't entirely human anyway, and some already have strong negative ET connections, which in turn work with nonphysical Luciferian demonic energies/entities. This situation points out the difficulty of "sniffing out" such a situation given that the false assurances of scientific observation manage to prevent most people from granting credence to intuitions about people or events. Scientists as a whole are frequently deeply possessed, too. And others who cling to traditional "research" modalities as we usually conceive of them. Example: many physicians trained at Yale are almost fully possessed in my experience. I'd rather go to a doctor who has much more modest academic credentials and is much more awakened in their right brain/intuitive brain. It is fortunate that you had a sensitivity to "them" and realized that something was up. Also your openness to dream messages was salutary, there is something to be said about spells and ghouls being involved - hopefully one day we will be able to find technological means of detecting such phenomena which will bring the skeptics to realize what is up, much like with the use of special sunglasses in the movie "They Live". I'm not talking about the typical abstract types of dreams, with their loaded metaphor and complex content - I'm a remote viewer and lucid dreamer when I want to be - especially when I feel someone has negative energy and I need to "spy" on them! So these are fully conscious moments of "sniffing out the enemy" while at the same time, my body is asleep. This realm is where so much manipulation is going on. A lot of the dark military stuff happens at this level - lots of characters trying to kill psychic people who dare to take a peek at what they are up to. Blackwater/XE has loaded the astral planes with their personnel, too - very dark organization. Sensing energy using our own biometric means is probably the only thing we've got going for us in this battle to take over earth. Unfortunately is is quite difficult to maintain in alert because not only are such nefarious protagonists in many places, they are invariably part of the "establishment" in most fields of endeavor. They are usually the ones the media says are tops, those who are admired for whatever false reasons in the profession, the mainstays who are pillars of society. This makes it all the harder to distance oneself from the barrage of falsehoods regarding who they really are and what they are really up to. Agree 100%! They have access to the slush funds, digitally created currency, as well as their own privatized currency printing presses such as two unofficial ones the Fed reportedly runs day and night in Indonesia. So wealth easy for them to generate, and is one of the lures they have used since the earliest of times. They use this to artificially leverage life changes for whoever submits their will to their purposes. This also happens to give their minions power granted by an official position, social status and enough wealth to get things done. Yup. They also use our quest for love tempting us with beauty and luxury, not to mention appealing to our vanity with flattery and honors. Don't forget the "alien love bite" syndrome where two people are maniupulated into falling madly in love/lust with each other - often to take someone who is a very sovereign person and completely derail their life. Eve Lorgen has an excellent site about this and goes into both the alien/ET aspects and the psychic aspects. Those who mess with the occult, whether in witchcraft covens, esoteric circles, spiritism or even simple ouija boards become vulnerable candidates for possession or psychic attack. Once they are possessed, however, it is no longer them you are dealing with but one unsavory beast if there ever was one. "Occult" as a broad term can apply to so many things. In my view, just trying to open your heart and mind to alternative ways of viewing reality means you're venturing into the 'occult" which literally means "hidden." That in itself is not the problem. The energies which then become alerted to the fact that a "seeker" is trying to awaken, and then proceed to throw obstacles across his path physically, emotionally, psychically, and financially - that's the problem!  The journey to find out more about the universe IS a good thing, despite the obstacles, and there are many, many paths to expand awareness. Regarding her boss, I find it interesting that you note that he was not possessed by a non physical entity but by an actual physical extraterrestrial being taking them over possibly using some device or process? I am quite familiar with the cold-blooded aryan ones, but did not know for certain that the Nordic looking/albino type ET's also took possession of people psychically. By the way, in my opinion, they are quite present among the Illuminati. These are the only "people" I have from time to time sensed were not from here but an invading presence similar to David Vincent's "The Invaders". What's tricky with so much of this stuff is that so many of the negative ET groups have access to dark technologies which allow them to hover slightly out of this physical dimension - I think of it like 3.5-D. So if we're in 3d, let's say higher beings of benign consciousness might be at 4d, these critters hang out in the shadowlands/borderlands of 3.5 d and can influence or overshadow a person from that level of reality. But there is always a conscious hook or tie that the person is making which connects them to these beings. In this case, the founder of Workman Publishing who made his original fortune publishing a book about yoga was already hooked in (through his own choice) to the entities that control traditional yoga practice (albino/Nordic/negatively oriented ET"s) and they completely took over his life - and helped him expand into an extremely successful publishing company. So if you were psychic and you stood next to him, you would see him, plus you'd see these beings standing in his energy field manipulating him. That's the type of possession that was going on there. I know these concepts are very complicated to hone in on in a way in which we can all agree on terminology, dimensions, "baddies," etc. so I appreciate having the opportunity to share how I have come to view things. I know that many people see things differently, which is perfectly fine. It's not easy stuff! I have loads of physical and nonphysical experiences with all the three groups - Nordic/albino, reptilian, and gray - not to mention more than my share of MILAB crap, too - and continue to learn more all the time. So my writing here isn't from theory, unfortunately - I kind of wish it were! It's personal experience and shared experiences with other people I've compared notes with. We all need to keep examining and comparing and describing these ideas - and the doppelganger phenomenon is certainly a piece of the puzzle. |
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Post by fauxster on May 21, 2011 17:28:37 GMT -5
I think there are inter-dimensional ET's on planet that are coming in from different dimensions & difft planets. Some are the "Demonic entities from another dimension we might call Hell." They use people as Host Avatars to further their agenda of turning Earth into a living hell. These entities will possess a body if it's expeditious, but they can also incarnate their own bodies in the usual way, if they want. They are trying to spread to this world (looking for Lebensraum?), & want to make it just like home, & thus, they bring their evil customs, culture, & ways w/ them. These entities, having no morals or sense of decency, will use deception if it is expeditious. Using doubles is a great way to exploit influential people to further their Agenda. What furthers their Agenda? IMO, anything that brings the frequency of the planet down (hatred, conflict, lies, some drugs, fluoride, annoying music, etc).
Squaring off to face the dark ones are the Light Beings. These entities do not possess bodies (b/c it would be wrong), but rather, incarnate bodies in the usual way. At any rate, these beings are countering the demonic entities by raising the frequency & exposing their evil methods. The goal is to stop the hostile takeover of this planet & to keep it from turning into the Philippines in space - a launching area from which the demonic entities can expand their realm. Since the universe is a hologram, whatever happens here affects everyone everywhere...
JMO, of course.
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Post by goro on May 22, 2011 11:20:54 GMT -5
I think there are inter-dimensional ET's on planet that are coming in from different dimensions & difft planets. Some are the "Demonic entities from another dimension we might call Hell." They use people as Host Avatars to further their agenda of turning Earth into a living hell. These entities will possess a body if it's expeditious, but they can also incarnate their own bodies in the usual way, if they want. They are trying to spread to this world (looking for Lebensraum?), & want to make it just like home, & thus, they bring their evil customs, culture, & ways w/ them. These entities, having no morals or sense of decency, will use deception if it is expeditious. Using doubles is a great way to exploit influential people to further their Agenda. What furthers their Agenda? IMO, anything that brings the frequency of the planet down (hatred, conflict, lies, some drugs, fluoride, annoying music, etc). Squaring off to face the dark ones are the Light Beings. These entities do not possess bodies (b/c it would be wrong), but rather, incarnate bodies in the usual way. At any rate, these beings are countering the demonic entities by raising the frequency & exposing their evil methods. The goal is to stop the hostile takeover of this planet & to keep it from turning into the Philippines in space - a launching area from which the demonic entities can expand their realm. Since the universe is a hologram, whatever happens here affects everyone everywhere... JMO, of course. I think you have it! I would maybe differ in looking at the idea of "light beings" a bit differently - I've experienced contact with nonphysical, altruistic, immenstly loving beings who have never been in a physical or dense body -- plus positive ET's and interdimensionals who often DO have bodies - plus humans who have a really sweet and loving vibration. For me, I think of them all as "good guys." |
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Post by fauxster on May 22, 2011 14:53:10 GMT -5
^ The light beings, as I see it, are entities coming in from difft dimensions & difft planets, so they're not all the same race. I group the light beings together as forces of light, but I know they have difft cultures, physical/non-physical characteristics, philosophies, etc.
JMO
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Post by goro on May 23, 2011 8:42:29 GMT -5
^ The light beings, as I see it, are entities coming in from difft dimensions & difft planets, so they're not all the same race. I group the light beings together as forces of light, but I know they have difft cultures, physical/non-physical characteristics, philosophies, etc. JMO Got it! It's nice to know that there IS a lot of love and assistance for us out there. The problem I've found is that for whatever reason, certain demonic/ET/or interdimensionals literally have a stamp of ownership over us, kind of like how cattle get branded. We didn't always have this. They're not our creators but beings who ALTERED us and rebranded us as "theirs." We have to work consciously to revoke all contracts, vows and agreements that we have made with these entities - including stuff that we simply inherit through DNA, stuff that we didn't agree to consciously. So after I started working to revoke ALL contracts through space and time, conscious and unconscious ones, physical ones ( in my DNA) and energetic ones (done through the mind or through words) the light beings or helpful beings were FINALLY able to stop my abductions and the brutal stuff I had been going through for 20 years. And now, if a critter comes around, I have them scared sh*tless! Because they don't know how to treat humans who have liberated themselves. And I ALWAYS kick their asses! Greys are incredibly weak physically - their only strength is in psychic manipulation, which they mostly use technology for, anyway. Their horrid little rubbery skinned skulls go SQUOOOSH if you give them a good push. Seriously! For some reason, the light beings/angels/and positive ETs or interdimensionals have a hard time directly helping us until we revoke these contracts of ownership/slavery. Do that, and they literally start manifesting in your car if you're about to get into major trouble. You can always recognize them by their immensely loving energy - truly wonderful. Nothing forceful, hypnotic, or mesmerizing about them - that's the negs when they like to masqerade as angels and stuff. The negs pervert, subvert, and complicate everything. For instance, there's a REAL archangel Michael who is amazing - and a tall gray Michael whom most psychics are working with/talking to. Big difference. The real Michael has saved my life and helped me with my healing work on behalf of others more times than I can count, while also simultaneously and gently guiding me to become more sovereign so I don't even need his help. The gray Michael loves channelers, loves to send psychic people into a trance, loves to keep psychics ungrounded, earth/physical life hating (get them to reject money, food, sex) so he and his friends can come in and possess people. It's all pretty messed up, actually. |
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Post by lucy on May 25, 2011 8:38:37 GMT -5
I would love to share my own insights as to what I believe is the source of this, but when I get into some of those aspects I am attacked because it also involves personal spiritual beliefs and certain people attack those beliefs. It's a shame that any insights, even if someone does not particularly follow those things as a form of spiritual or "religious" beliefs are shot down or attacked.
However, the wealthy members of the elite have the power, both with money and dark forces to influence many, perhaps the use of witchcraft and spell casting to influence minds of the masses, or the use of hypnosis and post hypnotic suggestion to influence and control people, or full out mind control triggers to affect people..and the use of people like Oprah, to affect the masses with their powers or "gifts" to influence the masses...recently watching Oprah's farewell shows...it was like a strange celebrity filled worship service of their earth goddess Oprah...it was creepy to watch, but the countless number of people who worship this woman is interesting to see, and disturbing to think someone uses their influence on so many....She's just an example of how the system uses celebrities or politicians to influence and manipulate the masses.
The use of doubles, or whatever you want to call these people, is a type of cloning or creating an army of "beings" to serve their purpose.."their" being the powers that be who control and influence what is happening in the world.
There is a dark spiritual influence on those who are in control, because the things they are doing manipulate and control people and to mislead many....they will use doubles and clones or robotoids to manipulate.
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Post by goro on May 25, 2011 9:47:02 GMT -5
I would love to share my own insights as to what I believe is the source of this, but when I get into some of those aspects I am attacked because it also involves personal spiritual beliefs and certain people attack those beliefs. It's a shame that any insights, even if someone does not particularly follow those things as a form of spiritual or "religious" beliefs are shot down or attacked. However, the wealthy members of the elite have the power, both with money and dark forces to influence many, perhaps the use of witchcraft and spell casting to influence minds of the masses, or the use of hypnosis and post hypnotic suggestion to influence and control people, or full out mind control triggers to affect people..and the use of people like Oprah, to affect the masses with their powers or "gifts" to influence the masses...recently watching Oprah's farewell shows...it was like a strange celebrity filled worship service of their earth goddess Oprah...it was creepy to watch, but the countless number of people who worship this woman is interesting to see, and disturbing to think someone uses their influence on so many....She's just an example of how the system uses celebrities or politicians to influence and manipulate the masses. The use of doubles, or whatever you want to call these people, is a type of cloning or creating an army of "beings" to serve their purpose.."their" being the powers that be who control and influence what is happening in the world. There is a dark spiritual influence on those who are in control, because the things they are doing manipulate and control people and to mislead many....they will use doubles and clones or robotoids to manipulate. Hi Lucy, If you're referring to the kerfluffle here a few weeks ago....all I did was type that I think Revelations is a Luciferian/evil manipulation to get the masses focused on manifesting the worst possible timeline - so that questionable entities can "beam survivors up" to the Mothership. And then I think you went on for a few days attacking me for expressing that perception. Just because I don't believe the Bible is the Word of a friendly God. That doesn't in any way mean I don't honor the entity known as Jesus. So please don't make ANY assumptions about my personal beliefs, okay? And it was YOU who interpreted my saying the above as an attack on you personally, which it wasn't. I believe I also posted at the time that if your religion and spiritual beliefs bring you peace, that's wonderful. And then you went on a long tirade attacking me again. So...if you can agree to say "These are MY views, MY perceptions, My beliefs" and not attack me for holding mine -- I sincerely would love to read what you have to share. I think it would be great for you to share your ideas freely, really - you're a valuable member here and my views are simply my own, okay? This stuff is all very complicated and none of us has the complete picture - we just see bits and pieces of it from our own, albeit limited, perspectives. And I am a seeker of truth just as you are, even if you hate me because I don't believe the Bible has any value other than as a negative mind control document. I DO believe much that it talks about holds value and that many wonderful, miraculous beings including Jesus and the angels are REAL - the information has simply been warped on purpose, again IN MY OPINION ONLY. (We get about a gazillion pages detailing the psychopathic actions of a nasty "God" in the Bible and very, very little about love and healing and raising one's consciousness. THAT'S my problem with the warping that has been done in that document.) But I will shut up about this now. So-- type away! I can play nice if you can. It would also be helpful if you could present the basis of belief that you use to come to your conclusions. If you believe the Bible is the literal word of God, and you believe this God to be an all mighty entity named Jehovah or Yahweh, then simply state this because if you're an expert Bible scholar than everything you conclude in your research is going to be coming from that place - and that is definitely important for people to know. Everything I believe is informed by personal experience and the experiences of about 10,000 other spiritual seekers I've intimately shared stories with over about 20 years. Nothing from the Bible informs my views. So I just want to make that clear. Your views hold value and I for one would love to read them! PS I just reread this and I realized I am probably coming off bitchy here, Lucy, and I don't mean to. I type too fast sometimes and my passions come out too aggressively. Just wanted to add - I am an expert on spirit release therapy, ie, removing negs from people - including demons and all kinds of negative ET influences, discarnates, and more. To do that I invoke a divine spiritual Creator but this entity/energy is not the Jehovah of the Bible. I also invoke a variety of spiritual helpers with whom I've built relationships of the years, including the real archangel Michael, Jesus, and many helpers from the Earth realm including nature "devas' or beings many would call faeries or guardians of Mother Earth. There is a wide variety of loving and altruistic helpers who are willing to assist us with healing and so forth. My work has created real, tangible, reversing of physical illnesses, in myself and my "patients." In all of this work I have been warned over and over again not to invoke the god of the Bible because it is the ET Marduk from the Sumerian texts who banished the memory/invoking of any other gods - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." So as you can imagine, given this work I've been involved with for so many years and with so many people, and having experienced the successes I have with it, and having been shown time and time again more and more layers of this whole complicated ghouls/negs/Luciferians/negative ET's mess, my worldview on this stuff is complex. So chances are we are not going to be in agreement about much if you believe the Bible to be instructions for living from a loving God - because I perceive no love there. The only love in the Bible is Jesus' energy, but because the gnostic traditions (his original followers and their teachings ) are completely edited out, and the gnostics were persecuted and killed off and went underground, there isn't much left of anything loving, powerful, or true. FOR ME. In my opinion only. And I will stop writing about this and give you a chance to share your conclusions and your own studies which are very, very important. And promise to be nice to you because you are a very sweet fellow spiritual seeker and I don't mean to at all attack you or denigrate your very sincere search for truth and understanding. |
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Post by hotman637 on May 25, 2011 12:01:57 GMT -5
The Old Testament is a history book.Just replace the word God with "hillbilly aliens" and then the Bible makes sense,lol.
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Post by goro on May 27, 2011 8:10:55 GMT -5
The Old Testament is a history book.Just replace the word God with "hillbilly aliens" and then the Bible makes sense,lol. Thanks for the giggle! Too true, I think. I mean, the actions of Jehovah/Marduk/Zeus/etc. are all the same characters if you track them from culture to culture. That's why I'm so passionate about the idea of "firing your gods" because it's like the ultimate dysfunctional family dynamic - I believe there is a divine spiritual "Force"/intelligence/energy etc. and our understanding of it has been hopelesses hijacked by running around building golden temples for critters and making blood sacrifices or energy sacrifices (in terms of things like celebrity worship, royal watching, etc) to this same band of beings for ages. Can we please get off the gerbil wheel and start living out wonderful lives as spiritually sovereign beings? That's my hope, anyway. |
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Post by fauxster on May 27, 2011 11:30:43 GMT -5
IMO, any entity (or entities) that demands blood sacrifices is a dark entity & should not be "worshipped," unless that's what you're into. It's interesting to compare such an entity to other religious figures, such as Krishna, who says to offer him a flower or a leaf, but not flesh or meat (in the Iso Upanishad). JMO
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The journey to find out more about the universe IS a good thing, despite the obstacles, and there are many, many paths to expand awareness.
