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Post by flyingeye on Nov 22, 2009 14:51:35 GMT -5
I looked up lots of photos of Agnetha, and I think she was different-looking before their 1974 Breakthrough...
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Post by beatlies on Nov 25, 2009 19:44:18 GMT -5
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Post by The Mask on Dec 1, 2009 22:00:05 GMT -5
Sorry to say(since he's my favorite Bond) that Roger Moore was also replaced(in addition to Sean Connery.) This replacement took place between the films The Man With The Golden Gun(1974) and The Spy Who Loved Me(1977).Roger Foger ] The difference is subtle, but you can tell that Roger's eyes slant slightly upward and are spaced further apart than Foger's. Simply amazing.
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Post by GetSmart on Dec 2, 2009 18:57:32 GMT -5
The Mask,
You really are the observant one! How did you manage this? Was it a change in his style, a different intonation or speech pattern? Or was it just a creepy vibe?
In any case Foger is a very close match. Way to close to be an actor, he is evidently a Clone. This is demonstrated by something quite common among clones, that is a sightly different positioning of the eyes in their sockets, making them straight rather than Roger's slanted eyes.
I think that the impression of them being closer together might be an optical effect due to their alignment, the tangent angle in Roger's eyes makes them look further apart.
Thanks for clueing us in on this one, I never would have noticed without your astute skills of observation. Another clue to his being a clones is that Roger's eyes are communicative, while Foger's eyes are closed for business.
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Dec 2, 2009 19:20:32 GMT -5
The Mask has been doing this for years. Nothing gets past him :-)
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Post by sherlok on Dec 2, 2009 20:55:25 GMT -5
I think Roger is also from the Errol Flynn bloodline:
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Post by beatlies on Dec 2, 2009 23:21:14 GMT -5
I think Roger is also from the Errol Flynn bloodline: Posthumous allegations In 1961, mother Florence Aadland wrote The Big Love, a book detailing Flynn's sexual relationship with her 15-year-old daughter, Beverly.[24][25] It was later made into a play starring Tracey Ullman.[26][27] In 1980, author Charles Higham published a controversial biography, Errol Flynn: The Untold Story, in which he alleged that Flynn was a fascist sympathizer who spied for the Nazis before and during World War II.[28] The book also alleged he was bisexual, and had affairs with several men including Tyrone Power, Howard Hughes and Truman Capote.[28] That Flynn was bisexual was also claimed by David Bret in Errol Flynn: Satan's Angel, although Bret denounced the Nazi claims.He was previously accused of sympathising with Adolf Hitler based on his association with Dr Hermann Erben, an Austrian who served in the German military intelligence. Declassified files held by the CIA show that, in an intercepted letter in September 1933, Flynn wrote to Erben: "A slimy Jew is trying to cheat me . . . I do wish we could bring Hitler over here to teach these Isaacs a thing or two. The bastards have absolutely no business probity or honour whatsoever."[29]Subsequent biographies — notably Tony Thomas' Errol Flynn: The Spy Who Never Was (Citadel, 1990) and Buster Wiles' My Days With Errol Flynn: The Autobiography of a Stuntman (Roundtable, 1988) — have rejected Higham's claims as pure fabrication. Flynn's political leanings, say these biographies, appear to have been leftist: he was a supporter of the Spanish Republic in the Spanish Civil War and of the Cuban Revolution, even narrating a documentary titled Cuban Story[30] shortly before his death.[Need quotation on talk to verify] Flynn defended his visit to Cuba in an appearance on a Canadian Broadcasting Company television game show[clarification needed] early in 1959. According to his autobiography, he considered Fidel Castro a close personal friend and drinking partner[citation needed]. Film portrayals Duncan Regehr portrayed Flynn in a 1985 American TV movie My Wicked, Wicked Ways, loosely based on Flynn's autobiography of the same name. Guy Pearce played Errol Flynn in the 1996 Australian film Flynn. Flynn was portrayed by Jude Law [!!!!!!] in Martin Scorsese's 2004 film The Aviator [about Howard Hughes/Foward Fughes]. The character of film star Neville Sinclair, played by Timothy Dalton in the 1991 film The Rocketeer, was thought by many film critics to be loosely based on Flynn, although in one scene Flynn is specifically shown as a different person. The character of Alan Swann, portrayed by Peter O'Toole in the 1982 film My Favorite Year, was based on Flynn.[31] Filmography Main article: Errol Flynn filmography
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Post by beatlies on Dec 2, 2009 23:25:30 GMT -5
More on Errol "In Like" Flynn:
Biography for Errol Flynn
Nickname: The Baron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Height: 6' 2" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mini biography Errol Flynn was born to parents 'Theodore Thomas Flynn', a respected biologist, and Marrelle Young, an adventurous young woman and decendent of a midshipman of HMS Bounty fame. Young Errol Flynn was a rambunctious child who could be counted on to find trouble. When the family took up residence in England, Errol managed to have himself thrown out of every school he was enrolled in. In his late teens he set out to find gold, but instead found a series of short lived odd jobs. Information is sketchy, but the positions of police constable, sanitation engineer, treasure hunter, sheep castrator, shipmaster for hire, fisherman, and soldier seem to be among his more reputable career choices. Staying one jump ahead of the law and jealous husbands forced Flynn back to England. He took up acting, a passtime he had previously stumbled into when asked to play (ironically) Fletcher Christian in a film called In the Wake of the Bounty (1933). Errol Flynn's natural athletic talent and good looks attracted the attention of Warner Brothers and soon he was off to America. Flynn's luck held when he replaced Robert Donat in the title role of Captain Blood (1935). He quickly rocketed to stardom as the undisputed king of swashbuckler films, a title inherited from Douglas Fairbanks, but which remains Flynn's to this day. Onscreen, he was the freedom loving rebel, a man of action who fought against injustice and won the hearts of damsels in the process. His offscreen passions; drinking, fighting, boating and sex, made his film escapades seem pale. His love life brought him considerable fame, three statutory rape trials, and a lasting memorial in the expression "In like Flynn". Serious roles eluded Flynn, and as his lifestyle eroded his youthful good looks, his career declined. Troubles with lawsuits and the IRS plagued him at this time, eroding what little money he had saved. A few good roles did come his way late in life, however, usually aging alchoholics, almost mirror images of Flynn. He was making a name as a serious actor before his death. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spouse Patrice Wymore (October 1950 - 14 October 1959) (his death); 1 daughter Arnella Nora Eddington (August 1943 - 7 July 1948) (divorced); 2 daughters Deirdre, Rory Lili Damita (June 1935 - April 1942) (divorced); 1 son Sean
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He is considered one of the greatest movie swashbucklers of the sound period. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trivia
Father, with Patrice Wymore of Arnella (25 December 1953- 21 September 1998)
Father with Nora Eddington of Deirdre (born January 10, 1945) and Rory (born March 12, 1947).
With a bad heart and TB he was unfit for service in world war 2[?!].
(October 1997) Ranked #70 in Empire (UK) magazine's "The Top 100 Movie Stars of All Time" list.
Father, with Lili Damita of photojournalist Sean Flynn (I) (1941 - 1970).
It has been said that his 1959 autobiography, "My Wicked Wicked Ways," was originally to be called "In Like Me."
Was tried for statutory rape in 1942 but was acquitted.
When banned from drinking on a film set, Errol would inject oranges with vodka and eat them during his breaks
Interred at Forest Lawn, Glendale, CA., in the Garden of Everlasting Peace.
Flynn was a Nazi sympathizer according to a biography entitled ERROL FLYNN: THE UNTOLD STORY by Charles Higham.
(1995) Chosen by Empire magazine as one of the 100 Sexiest Stars in film history (#86). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal quotes
"He was a bit of a sadistic devil, was Errol, but it was done with such charm and sense of mischief that he was always forgiven." - Stewart Granger
"He was a charming and magnetic man, but so tormented. I don't know about what, but tormented." - Olivia de Havilland
"The only time he wasn't living was when he was asleep, and even then I think he dreamt well." - second wife Nora Haymes
"He was one of the wild characters of the world, but he also had a strange, quiet side. He camouflaged himself completely. In all the years I knew him, I never knew what really lay underneath, and I doubt if many people did." - Ann Sheridan
"He was all the heroes in one magnificent, sexy, animal package. I just wish we had someone around today half as good as Flynn." - Jack L. Warner
"They've great respect for the dead in Hollywood, but none for the living."
"You can count on Errol Flynn, he'll always let you down." David Niven.
"I do what I like."
"I like my whisky old and my women young." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Salary Edge of Darkness (1942) $7000/week Prince and the Pauper, The (1937) $2500/week Captain Blood (1935) $500/week Murder at Monte Carlo (1934) $150/week
Biography from Leonard Maltin's Movie Encyclopedia: Actor. (b. June 20, 1909, Hobart, Tasmania; d. Oct. 14, 1959.) The handsome, devil-may-care hero of Hollywood's most exciting swashbucklers, Flynn shot to overnight stardom when brought on as a last-minute replacement for Robert Donat to play the title role in Warner Bros.' pirate epic Captain Blood (1935). His flamboyant charm and dashing magnetism quickly established Flynn as the sound era's claimant to the Douglas Fairbanks swashbuckling crown as he effortlessly portrayed a legion of heroic characters.
A rebellious, adventurous, peripatetic youth who was expelled from several schools and held various jobs before turning to acting, Flynn made his film debut as Fletcher Christian in a small Australian film, In the Wake of the Bounty (1933). After appearing in an English-made quota quickie for Warner Bros., Murder at Monte Carlo (1935), Flynn was brought to the company's Hollywood studio, where he played the small roles of a corpse in The Case of the Curious Bride and a playboy in Don't Bet on Blondes (both 1935).
After the great success of Captain Blood Warner Bros. put Flynn in everything from light comedies to Westerns, but it was his romantic adventure films that were most popular with the public. Olivia de Havilland, his Captain Blood leading lady, was again cast opposite him in The Charge of the Light Brigade (1936). Loosely based on Tennyson's immortal poem, this thundering spectacle was directed by hard-driving Michael Curtiz who, despite the personal animosity between himself and his star, made Flynn unforgettable leading the charge into the Valley of Death. Curtiz eventually directed 12 of Flynn's better films.
Again teamed with de Havilland (with whom he made eight films in all), Flynn had his best-remembered role, as the definitive "merrie rogue" of Sherwood Forest, in The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938). This was the part he was born to play; indeed, few of his peers could don ornate period costumes, speak flowery heroic dialogue, or swing a saber with such valiance or grace.
Flynn expanded his buccaneering in The Sea Hawk (1940, another of his biggest hits), and later played two larger-than-life historical figures: Cavalry General George Armstrong Custer in the sweeping Western They Died With Their Boots On (1941) and boxing champ James J. Corbett in the evocative period piece Gentleman Jim (1942). In the former, moviegoers readily accepted the Irish-accented Tasmanian in the lead role of this largely fictional retelling of the events leading to the Little Big Horn battle. In fact, he played Western heroes throughout his career, in such films as Dodge City (1939), Santa Fe Trail, Virginia City (both 1940), San Antonio (1945), Rocky Mountain and Montana (both 1950).
Flynn was less successful in brief forays into light comedy; the public clearly favored him swinging sabers rather than serving as comedic foil in the likes of Perfect Specimen (1937) or Four's a Crowd (1938). He was more popular in war films, notably a 1938 remake of the WW1-set The Dawn Patrol and the WW2 adventures Dive Bomber (1941), Desperate Journey (1942), and Objective, Burma! (1945).
Flynn's offscreen life was, incredibly, even more colorful than his movies. An unabashed hedonist and insatiable womanizer, he was notorious for his nonstop drinking, wenching, and general highspirited bacchanalia. In 1942, at the height of his popularity, he was charged with (but later acquitted of) statutory rape. The ordeal of the trial and resultant publicity crushed Flynn's spirit. Never a person to take acting seriously, his on-screen energy ebbed and he slid into a gradual but steady decline in the postwar years. The best of his earlier Warner Bros. films saw Flynn in roles that exuded a lust for adventure and derring-do, but few of his later films had the same effect. Only when cleverly cast in the title role of the tonguein-cheek Adventures of Don Juan (1949) did he show a final glimpse of the magic that had made him popular.
Flynn's health deteriorated as well; the years of hard drinking showedharshly-in his later screen appearances. Several of his final films saw Flynn cast as an alcoholic; in the film adaptation of Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises (1957) he limned a drunken American expatriate of the "lost generation" with an accuracy born of experience and in Too Much, Too Soon (1958) he portrayed his old boozing crony and fellow actor John Barrymore.
The star's final years found him aboard his beloved yacht "Zaca," anchored in Port Antonio, Jamaica. Here in an island paradise he said reminded him of his boyhood wanderings in New Guinea, Flynn worked on his posthumously published autobiography, the slyly titled "My Wicked, Wicked Ways" (1959). Flynn starred in the title role of William Tell a European production begun in 1954 but never finished.
OTHER FILMS INCLUDE: 1937: The Prince and the Pauper, Another Dawn 1938: The Sisters 1939: The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex (with Bette Davis); 1941: Footsteps in the Dark (his one attempt at a comedymystery, none too good); 1943: Edge of Darkness 1944: Uncertain Glory 1946: Never Say Goodbye 1947: Cry Wolf, Escape Me Never 1949: That Forsyte Woman 1951: Kim, Adventures of Captain Fabian 1952: Mara Maru, Against All Flags 1953: Master of Ballantrae 1954: Crossed Swords 1955: The Warriors, King's Rhapsody 1956: Istanbul 1957: The Big Boodle 1958: The Roots of Heaven 1959: Cuban Rebel Girls.
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Post by sherlok on Dec 3, 2009 2:10:34 GMT -5
^ Great info on Flynn, thank for posting!
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Post by The Mask on Dec 3, 2009 18:45:40 GMT -5
The Mask, You really are the observant one! How did you manage this? Was it a change in his style, a different intonation or speech pattern? Or was it just a creepy vibe? Well I always thought it was strange how much younger he looked in the earlier films. Then I watched Live and Let Die(1973) again recently and thought he REALLy looked different. Then that little lightbulb went off in my head and I started looking at pics and more pics. You may be right. But I thought cloning wasn't done until the 1940's. I will have to email Stewart Swerdlow about that. Because Moore was born in 1927. Anyway, Foger looks older than Roger so he must be close to 90 now. That's quite possible regarding the alignment but I think Roger's eyes may still be further apart. In addition, Roger's ears are smaller if you hadn't noticed. Well I've been a this awhile and one thing as you mentioned the look in Roger's eyes, often there is something not quite right about the person. It's like you are viewing a different soul and that is one thing that causes you to look.
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Post by fauxster on Dec 3, 2009 19:25:46 GMT -5
The Foger clone could have been put in place at any point... They grow rather quickly, or so I've heard.
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Post by beatlies on Dec 4, 2009 17:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by beatlies on Dec 4, 2009 18:51:58 GMT -5
Some weird, eerie clues (?)perhaps in 1941 The Big Store, which they said would be their last movie (then there was a five year no movie gap then A Night in Casablanca with older, slightly different looking MBs). "Come on wacky Nagasaki" four years before the US atomic bombing of Nagasaki in August 1945! The Big Store (1941) More at IMDbPro » advertisement Spirit Award Nominations Overview User Rating: 6.4/10 1,852 votes MOVIEmeter: ? Up 8% in popularity this week. See why on IMDbPro. Director: Charles Reisner Writers: Nat Perrin (story) Sid Kuller (writer) ... more Contact: View company contact information for The Big Store on IMDbPro. Release Date: 20 June 1941 (USA) more Genre: Comedy | Musical more Tagline: Howl . . . And Farewell ! Their Last Picture . . . And Their Best ! more Plot: A detective is hired to protect the life of a singer, who has recently inherited a department store, from the store's crooked manager. full summary | add synopsis Plot Keywords: Department Store | Conservatory | Elevator | Wild Chase | Murder Plot more NewsDesk: Cinema Retro Exclusive Interview With Bill Marx, Son Of Harpo Marx (From CinemaRetro. 19 November 2009, 4:34 PM, PST) User Comments: Not the best more (34 total) Cast (Cast overview, first billed only) Groucho Marx ... Wolf J. Flywheel Chico Marx ... Ravelli Harpo Marx ... Wacky Tony Martin ... Tommy Rogers Virginia Grey ... Joan Sutton Margaret Dumont ... Martha Phelps Douglass Dumbrille ... Mr. Grover William Tannen ... Fred 'Chris' Sutton Marion Martin ... Peggy Arden Virginia O'Brien ... Kitty Henry Armetta ... Guiseppi Anna Demetrio ... Maria Paul Stanton ... Arthur Hastings Russell Hicks ... George Hastings Bradley Page ... Duke more Create a character page for: ? Sponsored Links (What's This?) Buy Dvd Film www.Blockbuster.com * Get Movies Delivered. 95,000 Movies No Extra Charge for Blu-Ray! Chico's Women's Apparel www.Chicos.com * Timeless, Unique And Sophisticated Fashions. Shop Chico's Today! Additional Details Parents Guide: Add content advisory for parents Runtime: 83 min Country: USA Language: English Color: Black and White Aspect Ratio: 1.37 : 1 more Sound Mix: Mono (Western Electric Sound System) Certification: Australia:G | Finland:S | Germany:6 | Sweden:Btl | USA:Approved (certificate #7345) Company: Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM) more Fun Stuff Trivia: Tony Martin's "Tenement Symphony" was later razzed by Groucho Marx as "the most godawful thing I'd ever heard." more Goofs: Continuity: When Wolf, Ravelli and Wacky meet Tommy, Wacky has his right arm by his side. In the subsequent shot, when he shakes hands with Tommy, he has his right hand in his pocket. more Quotes: Wolf J. Flywheel: [In "Sing While You Sell" number] Come on, Wacky: Nagasaki! moreMovie Connections: References Strike Up the Band (1940) more Soundtrack: Minuet in G more FAQ This FAQ is empty. Add the first question. User Comments (Comment on this title) 4 out of 4 people found the following comment useful. Not the best, 13 January 2006 6/10 Author: drexelgal from United States By 1941, Groucho didn't want to make any more movies. The Brothers continued to do so just to keep oldest Brother Chico afloat, due to his gambling habits. Someone commented earlier about Virginia O'Brien, the deadpan singer in the "rockabye" sequence. The deadpan delivery was her "shtick", and predated a similar approach taken by Keely Smith some years later. Legend has it that the first time a spotlight fell on Ms. O'Brien for an on-stage solo, she froze, an delivered her song with a pre-Botox facial paralysis. The audience thought it was part of the act and roared approvingly with laughter. From then on, Ms. O'Brien sang no other way. (She also sings a few bars of the Jerome Kern song, "A Fine Romance" in the semi-bio, "'Til The Clouds Roll By".) The big store is best remembered (and viewed) for the rousing "Sing While You Sell" piece about 38 minutes into the movie. Was the above comment useful to you? more (34 total) Message Boards Discuss this movie with other users on IMDb message board for The Big Store (1941) Recent Posts (updated daily) User Funniest Scene? darksorcerer anyone notice the credits? syzygy90 Chico's Smaller Role fiat0903 Vocal Groups in 'Sing While You Sell' Number bowiebks Nagasaki? losun Sing While You Sell gofer2004 more
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Post by sherlok on Dec 4, 2009 21:03:08 GMT -5
The Groucho replacement seems possible to me. The "You Bet Your Life" Groucho always seemed like a different guy from the earlier movies.
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