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Post by The Mask on Jun 14, 2011 17:41:28 GMT -5
[ On why she hasn't been working very much recently - I've been famous since I was a teenager. There are a lot of empty spaces in that. I just feel like I've been filling in the cracks a little bit. I feel very fortunate, very free. (2008)Very telling. I tend to think that this strange process of advanced cloning that is/has been going with celebrities since the late 50's makes it so the clone does not realize who they truly are. They believe they are who they were cloned from and that is scary. The whole thing is just plain weird.
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Post by The Mask on Jun 14, 2011 20:33:22 GMT -5
Seems like all the replacements/clones aren't particularly nice. And ironically you can say that the clones/replacements are better at looking cheery and jovial on tv interviews, etc., like a person taking massive amounts of prozac. This is one clue, imo, that someone has been replaced.
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Post by goro on Jun 14, 2011 22:19:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I would imagine a clone, given that he or she doesn't have a complex history, and perhaps doesn't have a "normal" life, is entirely formed by the experiences thrown at them after they "hatch." Think about how we all spend about 18 years or so being slowly imprinted with life experiences, being shown what to expect about life here - and I'll bet a clone doesn't have that at all. If they can not only make clones but get them to age rapidly then they essentially have no childhood. They remain someone who LOOKS like an adult but who is completely blank inside. Some people raise the idea of maybe clones having no soul or a different type of soul than a fully souled human. I have to admit I still have my own questions about that. Mostly my psychic experiences have been in sensing either people who are heavily possessed by negative entities (mild to full possession, sometimes by demons, sometimes by demonic or questionable ET presences, sometimes by "gods' who are usually one of those two types). I have seen some people whom I saw behave in "robotic" ways - to me they were definitely synths or synthetics and THEY had no consciousness or life force - their energy fields were completely blank and dead unlike real humans. I can't say I have enough field research behind me to say whether a clone is just an extremely BLANK person because they've had so few life experiences, so their emotions are primitive, they disassociate a lot like a child does, absorbing information from the surroundings -- or are they soul less. I DO sense an "absence" in many of the photos of people we believe are clones, but I can't for sure tell if the person is just extremely disassociated and caught in a permanent childlike zombie state (also if they are heavily programmed that will happen anyway)--- or is it real lack of vital force and spirit? It's also possible that souls of very low vibration or simplistic vibration "choose" to come into cloned bodies. They may be more on an animal level of evolution (although that's probably an insult to animals, since many are so highly evolved and they're so wonderful.) But that could also explain why they read like rather childlike or simple beings - not as lively and intelligent and complex as normal human souls. On Pat Benetar's first album she had a song called "My Clone Sleeps Alone" - and the lyrics always struck a chord in me. I think even as a kid I knew clones were real. And they probably DO sleep alone because I doubt that they can handle normal human relationships since they are basically children walking around in adult bodies, heavily programmed, drugged and disassociated on top of that. Free the clones!
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Post by beatlies on Jun 15, 2011 11:00:42 GMT -5
"Some information on "Meg Ryan" (anagram of geRMany), the original identity of which was named Margaret Hyra (sounds like "hydra," the multi-headed mythical beast!)." U're going way too far with such things and its meaningless. Besides, consider for instance how many Meg Ryan's have been born since the world is turning... May mean something or not, but worth mentioning. And some things are worth stating just for the poetic value if nothing else, what say you? Also, my point was that her birth name was Margaret Hyra. Meg Ryan was an early, adopted stage name.
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Post by beatlies on Jun 15, 2011 11:04:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I would imagine a clone, given that he or she doesn't have a complex history, and perhaps doesn't have a "normal" life, is entirely formed by the experiences thrown at them after they "hatch." Think about how we all spend about 18 years or so being slowly imprinted with life experiences, being shown what to expect about life here - and I'll bet a clone doesn't have that at all. If they can not only make clones but get them to age rapidly then they essentially have no childhood. They remain someone who LOOKS like an adult but who is completely blank inside. Some people raise the idea of maybe clones having no soul or a different type of soul than a fully souled human. I have to admit I still have my own questions about that. Mostly my psychic experiences have been in sensing either people who are heavily possessed by negative entities (mild to full possession, sometimes by demons, sometimes by demonic or questionable ET presences, sometimes by "gods' who are usually one of those two types). I have seen some people whom I saw behave in "robotic" ways - to me they were definitely synths or synthetics and THEY had no consciousness or life force - their energy fields were completely blank and dead unlike real humans. I can't say I have enough field research behind me to say whether a clone is just an extremely BLANK person because they've had so few life experiences, so their emotions are primitive, they disassociate a lot like a child does, absorbing information from the surroundings -- or are they soul less. I DO sense an "absence" in many of the photos of people we believe are clones, but I can't for sure tell if the person is just extremely disassociated and caught in a permanent childlike zombie state (also if they are heavily programmed that will happen anyway)--- or is it real lack of vital force and spirit? It's also possible that souls of very low vibration or simplistic vibration "choose" to come into cloned bodies. They may be more on an animal level of evolution (although that's probably an insult to animals, since many are so highly evolved and they're so wonderful.) But that could also explain why they read like rather childlike or simple beings - not as lively and intelligent and complex as normal human souls. On Pat Benetar's first album she had a song called "My Clone Sleeps Alone" - and the lyrics always struck a chord in me. I think even as a kid I knew clones were real. And they probably DO sleep alone because I doubt that they can handle normal human relationships since they are basically children walking around in adult bodies, heavily programmed, drugged and disassociated on top of that. Free the clones! Assuming this clone system exists, how are the clones "grown" and raised? Something like in the movie "The Island?" A process of gradually "mainstreaming" them into everyday society? A much thornier set of problems than the initial, apparently simple step of cloning an adult or child human into clone-zygote, to fetus, to healthy clone-infant....
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Post by goro on Jun 15, 2011 13:06:30 GMT -5
Assuming this clone system exists, how are the clones "grown" and raised? Something like in the movie "The Island?" A process of gradually "mainstreaming" them into everyday society? A much thornier set of problems than the initial, apparently simple step of cloning an adult or child human into clone-zygote, to fetus, to healthy clone-infant.... Excellent questions. I remember reading one theory that stated that clones can be "fast forwarded' into fully grown adults using a chemical or hormone that is related to the "fast aging" disease that some children have. But this same process, which would make a fetus age rapidly to adulthood, would also probably cause that clone's body to break down faster over time - hence the need for so many new clones, which we seem to be seeing with some of these ultra-famous celebrity "brands" where it looks like more than one clone is used over time. But how is that clone trained, raised, advised, educated after it is advanced to an adult type of body? Good questions. I imagine some memories can essentially be "Downloaded" perhaps via some form of hypnosis or advanced mind control type of technology. But this would also explain why some celebs seem to have very blank stares when asked about their childhoods - they can relate facts a lot of times, but the emotional context, the spiritual energy and growth related to those experiences doesn't register when they tell these stories about their childhoods. I see this all the time on that Bravo TV show Inside the Actors Studio. Of course, in that case, you also have the cultish mind control already present at the Actors' Studio itself. The celeb clone could receive some last minute imprinting right before they do their interview with James Lipton, the creepy host (and sexual deviant by the way who regularly "rents out" his beautiful Asian wife to the highly-connected. Fact, not conjecture.) I would imagine that it wouldn't be necessary to fully "mainstream" a clone or integrate it into normal society - not if sufficient handlers, agents, press people and so forth are put in place to manage that celeb - which seems to happen anyway for celebs. They could probably navigate through their strange short life very cushioned from normal society - until they get destroyed or put on a shelf somewhere when their programming or bodies break down and the next clone is put into place. These are just my thoughts!
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Post by treegenus on Jun 15, 2011 15:45:44 GMT -5
On Pat Benetar's first album she had a song called "My Clone Sleeps Alone" - and the lyrics always struck a chord in me. I think even as a kid I knew clones were real. And they probably DO sleep alone because I doubt that they can handle normal human relationships since they are basically children walking around in adult bodies, heavily programmed, drugged and disassociated on top of that. Free the clones! It just might be that Benetar knew something - she also had the song Hell is for Children which I found disturbing but she was getting a message out. As she is an excellent vocalist, and didn't follow the Cher and Madonna path, I'm assuming she's still the real thing, not replaced. She couldn't help her daughter become a rock and roll star and we all know any 'no talents' with Hollyweird connections can make it.
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Post by treegenus on Jun 15, 2011 15:50:01 GMT -5
I won't get off topic, but there's a very informative essay about Demon Possession from a shaman guy I know in Guatemala named Bob M. in his book Magical Living. I'll track it down and forward it to you via email, if you'd like or post it here somewhere in an appropriate topic? . Mostly my psychic experiences have been in sensing either people who are heavily possessed by negative entities (mild to full possession, sometimes by demons, sometimes by demonic or questionable ET presences, sometimes by "gods' who are usually one of those two types). I have seen some people whom I saw behave in "robotic" ways - to me they were definitely synths or synthetics and THEY had no consciousness or life force - their energy fields were completely blank and dead unlike real humans. It's also possible that souls of very low vibration or simplistic vibration "choose" to come into cloned bodies. They may be more on an animal level of evolution
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Post by sherlok on Jun 15, 2011 19:17:38 GMT -5
Well, my Jimi Hendrix post kind of fizzled ... ... but have you guys seen Tom Hanks lately?
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Post by goro on Jun 15, 2011 19:45:41 GMT -5
I won't get off topic, but there's a very informative essay about Demon Possession from a shaman guy I know in Guatemala named Bob M. in his book Magical Living. I'll track it down and forward it to you via email, if you'd like or post it here somewhere in an appropriate topic? . Mostly my psychic experiences have been in sensing either people who are heavily possessed by negative entities (mild to full possession, sometimes by demons, sometimes by demonic or questionable ET presences, sometimes by "gods' who are usually one of those two types). I have seen some people whom I saw behave in "robotic" ways - to me they were definitely synths or synthetics and THEY had no consciousness or life force - their energy fields were completely blank and dead unlike real humans. It's also possible that souls of very low vibration or simplistic vibration "choose" to come into cloned bodies. They may be more on an animal level of evolution Would be very interested - could you pm me this info? Or follow up via pm. Remarkable Healings by Dr. Shakuntala Modi is the best book I've seen on the subject. She cures people of various addictions, mental illnesses and more through her own simple spirit release therapy. My methods synergize inspiration I've taken from her and real life teachings from two shamans - plus my own intuitive stuff there in the mix. It's real stuff. If it didn't work, it would only SOMETIMES work- like if the person were highly suggestive. When it works all the time, you know you're onto something!
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Post by goro on Jun 15, 2011 19:50:05 GMT -5
Well, my Jimi Hendrix post kind of fizzled ... ... but have you guys seen Tom Hanks lately? Tom Hanks sure does look rubbery there - makeup, plastic surgery, fresh clone -- all of the above? And Sherlok I myself have to do more pic research on Jimi Hendrix because I still think he's a possible candidate for replacement just because he is one of "THE ONES" as far as definitive, hero worshipped 60's countercultural icons - and either they were heavily manipulated originals or manipulated replacements. In fact, given what researchers have found about the Beatles and others, I think the entire cluster of those icons should continue to be investigated. Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, The Stones, Jefferson Airplane crowd, anybody who performed at Woodstock, etc. I realize many have already been covered here - maybe not Janis Joplin? Joan Baez was proven replaced here in earlier threads. I consider them ALL "suspected replacements" until proven otherwise at this point! " And as I said, there are eye and chin things going on with the Hendrix photos that raise a flag for me but I can't be 100% sure due to the quality of the photos.
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Post by sherlok on Jun 15, 2011 21:19:13 GMT -5
^ Thanks, goro.
And, I love your use of the word "rubbery" as regards Hanks. It's a perfect description of what I was seeing too. He looks like a squeeze toy. ;D
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Post by goro on Jun 16, 2011 11:01:42 GMT -5
^ Thanks, goro. And, I love your use of the word "rubbery" as regards Hanks. It's a perfect description of what I was seeing too. He looks like a squeeze toy. ;D Some celebs get that rubbery look from Restalyne or other facial filler injections - meant to reduce wrinkles. Botox can also give your skin that weird, waxlike look, along with a weird "sheen" that makes you look strange. All of that can certainly be at play here - along with a replacement or clone. After all, surely clones get wrinkles, too?
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Post by The Mask on Jun 16, 2011 11:07:59 GMT -5
Well, imo, clones are humans. It's not what they are but HOW they are created that makes them different.
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Post by goro on Jun 16, 2011 13:37:15 GMT -5
Well, imo, clones are humans. It's not what they are but HOW they are created that makes them different. Absolutely, I agree. I guess I was just sort of wondering out loud if clones for instance might tend to age more rapidly, and if they, too, occasionally need Botox and other plastic surgery remedies to keep up appearances.
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