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US leaves Honduras to its fate
Washington is unwilling to take the side of democracy in Honduras by opposing the coup leaders it helped to train
Mark Weisbrot
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/....shington-zelaya The military coup that overthrew President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras took a new turn when he attempted to return home on Sunday. The military closed the airport and blocked runways to prevent his plane from landing. They also shot several protesters, killing at least one and injuring others. The violence and the enormous crowd - estimated in the tens of thousands and reported as the largest since the coup on 28 June - put additional pressure on the Obama administration to seek a resolution to the crisis. On Tuesday, secretary of state Hillary Clinton met Zelaya for the first time.
In many ways this is similar to the 2002 coup in Venezuela, which was supported by the US. After it became clear that no government other than the US would recognise the coup government there, and hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans poured into the streets to demand the return of their elected president, the military switched sides and brought Hugo Chávez back to the presidential palace.
In Honduras, we have the entire world refusing to recognise the coup government, and equally large demonstrations (in a country of only seven million people, with the military preventing movement for many of them) demanding Zelaya's return. The problem in Honduras is that the military - unlike Venezuela's - is experienced in organised repression, including selective assassinations carried out during the 1980s, when the country was known as a military base for US operations in El Salvador and Nicaragua. The Honduran military is also much closer to the US military and state department, more closely allied with the country's oligarchy and more ideologically committed to the cause of keeping the elected president out of power. Colonel Herberth Bayardo Inestroza, a Honduran army lawyer who admitted that the military broke the law when it kidnapped Zelaya, told the Miami Herald: "It would be difficult for us, with our training, to have a relationship with a leftist government. That's impossible." Inestroza, like the coup leader and army chief General Romeo Vasquez, was trained at Washington's infamous School of the Americas (now renamed Whinsec).
This puts a heavy burden on the people of Honduras, who have been risking their lives, confronting the army's bullets, beatings and arbitrary arrests and detentions. The US media has reported on this repressiononly minimally, with the major print media sometimes failing even to mention the censorship there. But the Honduran pro-democracy movement has in the last few days managed to change the course of events. It is likely that Clinton's decision to finally meet with Zelaya was the result of the large and growing protests, and Washington's fear that such resistance could reach the point at which it would topple the coup government.
The Obama administration's behaviour over the last eight days suggests that if not for this threat from below, the administration would have been content to let the coup government remain for the rest of Zelaya's term. This was made clear again on Monday, at a press briefing held by the state department spokesman Ian Kelly. Under prodding from a reporter, Kelly became the first on-the-record state department official to say that the US government supported the return of Zelaya. This was eight days after the coup, and after the United Nations general assembly, the Organisation of American States, the Rio Group and many individual governments had all called for the "immediate and unconditional" return of Zelaya - something that Washington still does not talk about.
Meanwhile, on the far right, there has been a pushback against worldwide support for Zelaya and an attempt to paint him as the aggressor in Honduras, or at least equally as bad as the people who carried out the coup. Unfortunately much of the major media's reporting has aided this effort by reporting such statements as "Critics feared he intended to extend his rule past January, when he would have been required to step down."
In fact, there was no way for Zelaya to "extend his rule" even if the referendum had been held and passed, and even if he had then gone on to win a binding referendum on the November ballot. The 28 June referendum was nothing more than a non-binding poll of the electorate, asking whether the voters wanted to place a binding referendum on the November ballot to approve a redrafting of the country's constitution. If it had passed, and if the November referendum had been held (which was not very likely) and also passed, the same ballot would have elected a new president and Zelaya would have stepped down in January. So, the belief that Zelaya was fighting to extend his term in office has no factual basis. The most that could be said is that if a new constitution were eventually approved, Zelaya might have been able to run for a second term at some future date.
Another major rightwing theme in the media and public perception of the Honduran situation is that this is a battle against Chávez (and some collection of "anti-US" leftist allies: Nicaragua, Cuba, take your pick). This is a common subterfuge that has surfaced in most of the Latin American elections of the last few years. In Mexico, Peru, Nicaragua and El Salvador, for example, the conservative candidates all acted as if they were running against Chávez - the first two with success, and the second pair losing. It is true that under Zelaya Honduras joined Alba, a grouping of countries that was started by Venezuela as an alternative to "free trade" agreements with the US. But Zelaya is nowhere near as close to Chávez as any number of other Latin American presidents, including those of Brazil and Argentina. So it is not clear why this is relevant, unless the argument is that only bigger countries or those located further south have the right to have a co-operative relationship with Venezuela.
Clinton has just announced that she has arranged for the Costa Rican president Oscar Arias to serve as a mediator between the coup government and Zelaya. According to Clinton, both parties have accepted this arrangement. This is a good move for the state department, as it will make it easier for it to maintain a more "neutral" position - as opposed to the rest of the hemisphere, which has taken the side of the deposed president and the Honduran pro-democracy movement. "I don't want to prejudge what the parties themselves will agree to," said Clinton in response to a question as to whether Zelaya should be restored to his position.
It is difficult to see how this mediation will succeed, so long as the coup government knows that it can sit out the rest of Zelaya's term. The only thing that can remove it from office, in conjunction with massive protests, is real economic sanctions of the kind that Honduras's neighbours (Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala) imposed for 48 hours after the coup. These countries account for about a third of Honduras's trade, but they would need economic aid from other countries to carry the burden of a trade cut-off for a longer time. It would be a great thing if other countries would step forward to support such sanctions and to cut off their own trade and capital flows with Honduras as well.
So it is up to the rest of the world to help Honduras; it is clear that Hondurans won't be getting any help from the US. The rest of the world will have to scream bloody murder about the violence and repression there, too, because Washington will not make much of an issue about it.
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Obama has used 39 social security numbers
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I read the entire lawsuit that was filed in federal court. The real surprise was on page 9 & 10 where I found the following:
“The evidence contained in exhibit B shows that Barrak Hussein Obama might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 Social Security Numbers prior to assuming office as president. The Social Security number most commonly used by Barrak Hussein Obama is one issued by the state of Connecticut, the state where Barrak Hussein Obama never resided and shows him to be 119 years old.
This coupled with the fact that Mr Obama’s grandmother, Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court Probate department and had access to the Social Security Numbers of the deceased, constitutes circumstantial evidence casting serious doubt on the legitimacy of Mr Obama and his claims of being born on U.S. territory.”
The suit was filed in the Federal District court in Columbus Ga. by attorney Orly Taitz. I personally cannot imagine that any attorney would file such a lawsuit with the allegations about the misuse of Social Security numbers and include a list of the numbers as an appendix to the lawsuit if the information had not been thoroughly investigated.
Maybe.. Just Maybe this story will get legs and help stop this national nightmare we are in.
The additional link is to the full text of the lawsuit. [link to www.freerepublic.com] (visit the link for the full news article) Anonymous Coward User ID: 571008 7/11/2009 5:41 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
f**k, it took me 2 years to find out how to get rid of mine ! Anonymous Coward User ID: 723712 7/11/2009 5:43 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
f**k, it took me 2 years to find out how to get rid of mine ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 571008
Anonymous Coward User ID: 717854 7/11/2009 5:44 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
As I keep trying to tell people, he was in the C.I.A RememberThis Stay Tuned User ID: 723649 7/11/2009 5:46 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
So he invented ID Theft then..... "Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"He aint bad for a slice of Wonder Bread" ~The Rat Man~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~ Anonymous Coward User ID: 721883 7/11/2009 5:46 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
This country is completely lawless now..
Headed by an illegal criminal sh*tbag. tootsie User ID: 639719 7/11/2009 5:47 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
This country is completely lawless now..
Headed by an illegal criminal sh*tbag. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 721883
Totally sickening is it not? Anonymous Coward User ID: 571008 7/11/2009 5:48 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
This country is completely lawless now..
Headed by an illegal criminal sh*tbag. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 721883
Its becoming extremely hard to even act like that can be debated ..
I say Michael Corleone for presidnet, lets do this right ! Anonymous Coward User ID: 723722 7/11/2009 5:48 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
As I keep trying to tell people, he was in the C.I.A Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717854
Quit trying tio glamorize this illegal ursuper Anonymous Coward User ID: 571008 7/11/2009 5:49 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
No Bush ! No Obmama ! We can't lose!
Lets make em a offer they can't refuse! Anonymous Coward User ID: 723440 7/11/2009 5:51 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
Obama is MI6. HE IS A VERY DANGEROUS INFLUENCE IN AMERICA. jnchisox1 User ID: 696704 7/11/2009 5:51 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
No Bush ! No Obmama ! We can't lose!
Lets make em a offer they can't refuse! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 571008
clint eastwood for president. no one would f**k with him "Im intolerant to your intolerance" chalcedony User ID: 576799 7/11/2009 5:56 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
There are many mysteries and connections yet to be understood.
Obama's mother, Stanley A. Dunham, worked for Tim Giether's Father Peter Geither at the Ford Foundation. Ford Foundation is partnered with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Peter F. Geithner, Treasury Secretary Geithner's father, worked for the Ford Foundation.
No surprise here though, really. Obama and family are highly connected to the East Coast banking crime syndicate (Rockefellers, Soros, Ford Foundation etc.). In other words, Obama and family are highly connected to (Council on Foreign Relations) CFR banking family members, or better known as the Federal Reserve conglomerate.
The fairy-tale story that Obama delivered during the Democratic National Convention (the one with the Greek columns and the fireworks) about his mother living on food stamps was most probably just another little white lie that he told to the American people. Why? Stanley Ann Dunham was professionally connected to Tim Geithner's father, Peter. Please read this excerpt from the Economic Policy Journal:
"Who is Timothy Geithner?
Morgan Reynolds, who served as chief economist for the US Department of Labor during 2001–2, George W. Bush's first term, has done a little fact checking on the new Treasury Secretary:
Who is Geithner? He is a creature of the eastern banking establishment and ruling class through and through. His résumé nicely matches his actions in handing out government money and guarantees to the "right people." Geithner’s father Peter is director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation, a New World Order operation. Peter Geithner oversaw the "microfinance" programs developed in Indonesia by Ann Dunham-Soetoro, Barack Obama’s mother. Geithner’s maternal grandfather, Charles F. Moore, was an adviser to President Eisenhower and vice president of Ford Motor Company, according to Wikipedia. Geithner’s wife Carole Marie, like Geithner a 1983 graduate of Dartmouth College (Ivy League), is daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Albert Sonnenfeld of Princeton, N.J., a professor of French and comparative literature at Princeton University (Ivy League) for 27 years."
Thus, Obama and Tim Geithner most probably were childhood friends. Remember Tony Rezko? Obama used Rezko to launder about $100 million of taxpayer dollars while Obama was still a State Senator. Geithner is Obama's right hand in accessing the Tony Rezkos (people like Warren Buffett and Bill Gates) of the national level for Obama and the Democrats while he's President. That's why that with all this trouble about AIG, Obama is still not going to get rid of Geithner. Geithner is a valuable tool for them to rob this country through its national policies.
Peter Geithner (Tim's Father) was director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation, a New World Order (NWO) operation. Peter Geithner oversaw the "microfinance" programs developed in Indonesia by Ann Dunham-Soetoro, Barack Obama’s mother.
Note: As many of you may already know, the Clintons also have strong ties to the Indonesia Microfinance program. They have been to Indonesia several times to "take care of their business". It is the hub of the New World Order micro-finance scheme. The same scheme that was adopted by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to trigger the collapse of the housing market. It was first instantiated by Carter (a NWO puppet), and then made increasingly effective by Clinton (another NWO puppet) by removing almost all restrictions. The Ford Foundation are partners with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Did you know that when Son of Stanley (aka Obama) was going to school in Los Angeles, he went with a Pakistani friend to visit his mother in Indonesia, who was working for Peter Geithner at that time. After this, he spent a couple weeks in Pakistan, before he abruptly transferred to Columbia in New York where Peter Geithner was headquartered
A little more about Peter Geithner and his ties to known NWO operations: Peter F. Geithner is an advisor to the Asia Center at Harvard University and a consultant to the Asia Pacific Philanthropy Consortium, Rockefeller Foundation, Sasakawa Peace Foundation, and other organizations. He serves on the boards of the National Committee on United States-China Relations, the China Center for Economic Research (Peking University), the Center for the Advanced Study of India (University of Pennsylvania), Clemente (Holdings) Asia, Inc., and the Institute of Current World Affairs.
Peter Geithner's obviously rather unconventional style, gives him a lot in common with Stanley Ann, considered to be a pioneer in the field of anthropological microfinance for underprivileged Asian women. Though from far different backgrounds, both parents afforded their sons with globe-trotting, exotic childhoods, culminating in Peter’s Son playing Robin to Stanley Ann’s OBatMan.
Small world, huh?
According to The Atlantic, young Timmy Giethner's experiences at Dear Old Dad’s knee in Asia, even in China during the Tiananmen Square uprising, greatly influenced his life choices:
"First, his Asia background. Geithner’s father, Peter Geithner, was a development specialist who opened the Ford Foundation’s China office - the first foreign NGO here, under a special agreement that continues to this day. That was just before Tiananmen Square, and the father was part of the Foundation’s difficult but, ultimately, undoubtedly correct decision to remain engaged. Tim apparently also studied Chinese, was posted in Tokyo for Treasury, and focused on Asia studies as undergraduate and graduate student. This is all great background for Treasury’s international dealings in the coming years."
Now you can see why China is lending us all this money for Socialist/Marxist agendas? China knows that if the US is to become Socialist/Marxist, our country will no longer lead the world in innovation and technology. China has their own plans for world "hemogany". In fact, Chinese leaders know that Communism doesn't work, and this is why they have adopted a simulation model of Western government through their "Strategic Moderization Objective".
There is also a solid link between the Islamic Banking Cooperative, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, The Ford Foundation, Devron Bank of Chicago and the Bank of Indonesia (Stanley A. Dunham was a research coordinator at this bank and a program officer for the Ford Foundation).
Devron began selling Islamic home refinancing products for Muslims to Freddie Mac (see below). CHICAGOLAND, ILLINOIS – Devon Bank today announced it would begin selling its Islamic home financing products to Freddie Mac, effectively expanding opportunities for Muslims living in Illinois and nine other states to become homeowners while observing traditional Islamic restrictions on paying interest on mortgages and other types of debt. Based in McLean, Va., Freddie Mac is one of the nation's largest investors in mortgages and Islamic home financing products.
Share Chalcedony is not really known by its name Anonymous Coward User ID: 357422 7/11/2009 6:00 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
f**k, it took me 2 years to find out how to get rid of mine ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 571008
The difference is that Obama was taught by his elders how to milk the system so as to get out much more than you put in.
It seems to have worked well, don't you think? Anonymous Coward User ID: 697612 7/11/2009 6:13 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
OP, you're a f**king moran!!!
., tootsie User ID: 639719 7/11/2009 6:19 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
OP, you're a f**king moran!!!
., Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697612
Wow is that the best you can do? Is that you bama? tootsie User ID: 639719 7/11/2009 6:23 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
So this may explain why the State lost/suspended his license to practice law in the State of Illinois Family Guy User ID: 721186 7/11/2009 6:24 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
Maybe he had bad credits. Eleven-15 User ID: 682968 7/11/2009 6:26 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
jnchisox1 your avatar is hillarious.. Anonymous Coward User ID: 705825 7/11/2009 6:28 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
[link to www.f**k_off.com]
I read the entire lawsuit that was filed in federal court. The real surprise was on page 9 & 10 where I found the following:
“The evidence contained in exhibit B shows that Barrak Hussein Obama might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 Social Security Numbers prior to assuming office as president. The Social Security number most commonly used by Barrak Hussein Obama is one issued by the state of Connecticut, the state where Barrak Hussein Obama never resided and shows him to be 119 years old.
This coupled with the fact that Mr Obama’s grandmother, Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court Probate department and had access to the Social Security Numbers of the deceased, constitutes circumstantial evidence casting serious doubt on the legitimacy of Mr Obama and his claims of being born on U.S. territory.”
The suit was filed in the Federal District court in Columbus Ga. by attorney Orly Taitz. I personally cannot imagine that any attorney would file such a lawsuit with the allegations about the misuse of Social Security numbers and include a list of the numbers as an appendix to the lawsuit if the information had not been thoroughly investigated.
Maybe.. Just Maybe this story will get legs and help stop this national nightmare we are in.
The additional link is to the full text of the lawsuit. [link to www.freerepublic.com] (visit the link for the full news article) Quoting: tootsie
DAMN ON The RED List ! User ID: 721717 7/11/2009 6:28 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
OBUMER is NOT " ... an illegal, criminal sh*tbag."
He IS an ILLEGAL, ALIEN FRAUD posing as an criminal sh*tbag ! Please be ACCURATE when identifing the greatest fraud perpertated on the American people, with the HELP of Acorn NUTS and STUPID sheeple, with LESS than an eight grade education !
But then, this can ALL be discussed in the detention camps, just before they gas you, A-Holes ! Anonymous Coward User ID: 720348 7/11/2009 6:29 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
u republiklanners will make any kind of godf**king idiot charge but does any of it stand in court? Eleven-15 User ID: 682968 7/11/2009 6:30 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
There is no doubt in my mind that Obama was a gift from the power elite.
Last Edited by Eleven-15 on 7/11/2009 at 6:31 PM RememberThis Stay Tuned User ID: 723649 7/11/2009 7:05 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
Thread has good brakes LOL "Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"He aint bad for a slice of Wonder Bread" ~The Rat Man~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~ Anonymous Coward User ID: 713402 7/11/2009 7:11 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
Thread has good brakes LOL Quoting: RememberThis
What? Anonymous Coward User ID: 564424 7/11/2009 7:17 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
As I keep trying to tell people, he was in the C.I.A Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717854
I don't think so.
I think he's just really good at getting blackmail material on people and threatening their lives. That's the way you really become president.
Votes? ....LMAO. Gore's loss should teach you about the effectiveness of voting and the fraud called the "electoral college".
FYI, I also believe that the world would be roasting the sh*t out of us right now if we put up another old white man. Anonymous Coward User ID: 720135 7/11/2009 7:20 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
allow me , get real and stop believing every thing you read from a unreliable source Anonymous Coward User ID: 688273 7/11/2009 7:24 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
Doesn't anyone find it strange that Zero has zero childhood, highschool or college friends who remember him? Not one. It's like he never f**king existed. The most popular man of all time and no one remembers him????????????!!
I wasn't that popular in school but hundreds of people knew me and remember me. Anonymous Coward User ID: 689137 7/11/2009 7:25 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
u republiklanners will make any kind of godf**king idiot charge but does any of it stand in court? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720348
And you Demonazi's try and get over every chance you get! Wouldn't surprise me if Dear Leader had to change identities many times due to an extensive criminal record . Bugeater User ID: 648022 7/11/2009 7:29 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
allow me , get real and stop believing every thing you read from a unreliable source Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720135
U talking about the "lawsuit" or Obama? Anonymous Coward User ID: 723742 7/11/2009 7:32 PM Re: Obama has used 39 social security numbers Quote
omg, this sh*t again? obama did this, obama did that so tired now and most of the time it's bs, like this
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BORN IN THE USA? Bombshell: Orders revoked for soldier challenging prez
'Military has directly responded, saying that Obama is illegitimate'
Posted: July 14, 2009 9:53 pm Eastern By Chelsea Schilling © 2009 WorldNetDail
[link to www.wnd.com]
A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after he argued that he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his legitimacy for office.
His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders.
"We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with excitement. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate – and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!"
She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No explanation. No reasons – just revoked."
A hearing on the questions raised by Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, an engineer who told WND he wants to serve his country in Afghanistan, was scheduled for July 16 at 9:30 a.m -snip-
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Barry might find he has a lot in common with Zelaya real soon now...
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Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous
RSS zaxxion User ID: 705708 7/27/2009 1:01 PM Report abusive post Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
I am going to refer to these series of lies "out of sync" with each other as "Lie Collisions". A Lie Collision happens when more than one party defending the Birth Certificate lack of evidence are not advocating the same "facts" about the situation.
In an effort to get "in sync" with the other party, the remaining partie(s) make the necessary changes to "match-up". Here are a couple of major lie collisions that happened in just the last month:
New Lie
Kapiolani hospital claims to have received "birth letter" from White House and posted on their web site. The letter was supposedly written by Obama saying he was born at their hospital.
The "birth letter" appeared to be a blatent forgery as the letter was done with standard HTML. Once confronted about the implications of a forgery, Kapiolani quick removed the letter from their site. (See complete details here)
Read more ... [link to www.repubx.com] Phoenix 2012 Forum Moderator User ID: 666617 7/27/2009 1:04 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
One lie after the next for sure.
E-mail:bans@godlikeproductions.com. Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmyip.com] Anonymous Coward User ID: 380499 7/27/2009 1:07 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
I'm not from your ccountry.... but watching both sides of this debate, one sure way to stop this is for the Big O to just open the records.
When they change information, or try to hide things, it just makes it look more suspicious.
Just let them look Barry. What's the big deal? Anonymous Coward User ID: 730464 7/27/2009 1:07 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
we've crossed the "event horizon"
no turning back Anonymous Coward User ID: 729086 7/27/2009 1:08 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
I'm not from your ccountry.... but watching both sides of this debate, one sure way to stop this is for the Big O to just open the records.
When they change information, or try to hide things, it just makes it look more suspicious.
Just let them look Barry. What's the big deal? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380499
what do you think everyone's been asking for all along? Anonymous Coward User ID: 714125 7/27/2009 1:13 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
I am going to refer to these series of lies "out of sync" with each other as "Lie Collisions". A Lie Collision happens when more than one party defending the Birth Certificate lack of evidence are not advocating the same "facts" about the situation.
In an effort to get "in sync" with the other party, the remaining partie(s) make the necessary changes to "match-up". Here are a couple of major lie collisions that happened in just the last month:
New Lie Kapiolani hospital claims to have received "birth letter" from White House and posted on their web site. The letter was supposedly written by Obama saying he was born at their hospital. The "birth letter" appeared to be a blatent forgery as the letter was done with standard HTML. Once confronted about the implications of a forgery, Kapiolani quick removed the letter from their site. (See complete details here) Original Lie Snopes.com, one the main White House propaganda sites, had "Queens Medical" as the HI hospital of Obama's birth for several months. After the "birth letter" surfaced, Snopes changed it to "Kapiolani" as the birth hospital the next day after WND broke the story. Another major news publication site also changed the hospital the next day (See complete details here) New Lie makes Original Lie untrue - The result? Snopes tried to make New Lie true by changing hospitals. Original Lie Janet Fukino (Dept. of Hawaii Health) director claimed to have seen and examined Obama's long-form (vault copy) of his birth certificate in late 2008, though she carefully stopped short of saying Obama was born in HI. New Lie 1 CNN Lou Dobbs reports on the Birth Certificate and was told that Hawaii destroyed all paper birth certificates, including Obama's, since the HI Dept. of Health went all electronic in the year 2001. This is a major collision if the report is true, because it makes the original lie untrue. (See complete details here) New Lie 2 Also, the next night after Dobb's report - his "fill-in" on CNN, in an effort to refute Dobb's claims, said Linda Lingle also saw and examined the long-form birth certificate. A completely non-true statement, as Linda Lingle only claimed it was on file and not to have seen it, as CNN reported. In any case, CNN also contradicted the report that all long-form certificates were destroyed in 2001 by saying Linda Lingle examined it. (See complete details here) Either new lie 1 or new lie 2 makes the Original Lie untrue - The result? There have been no actions yet in an attempt to correct it - look for that one coming soon. Also, in the last month - the major search engines have given weight to the White House propaganda sites so they'll appear at the top of searches filling up several pages before any of the non-WH sites are shown covering the same issue but seeking the truth. Anonymous Coward User ID: 558159 7/27/2009 1:13 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
We all know that tuition at Harvard and Princeton are EXORBITANT.
Who PAID for Obama to go to Harvard, and Michelle to go to Princeton ?
These could not have been ordinary student loans , for they would be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Some even speculate that Barry O. received "Islamic help" for his tuituion.
Why won't he exhibit the transparency he promised, and tell us how he POSSIBLY could have afforded Harvard ? Anonymous Coward User ID: 534125 7/27/2009 1:16 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
Anonymous Coward User ID: 515900 7/27/2009 1:18 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
Even if Obama were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be eligible to be President.
By Attorney Leo Donofrio
Don’t be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues.
They are irrelevant to Senator Obama’s ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama’s father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama’s birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen “at birth”, just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be eligible to be President.
The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that’s why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not “natural born Citizens”. Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;
That’s it right there.
The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn’t want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.
The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as “natural born Citizens”, so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.
But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.
The Framers distinguished between “natural born Citizens” and all other “Citizens”. And that’s why it’s important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of “Citizen”, not “natural born Citizen”. The Framers were Citizens, but they weren’t natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document. Since the the Framers didn’t consider themselves to have been “natural born Citizens” due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a “natural born Citizen” of the United States.]
[link to obambi.wordpress.com] Anonymous Coward User ID: 405567 7/27/2009 1:19 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
I am going to refer to these series of lies "out of sync" with each other as "Lie Collisions". A Lie Collision happens when more than one party defending the Birth Certificate lack of evidence are not advocating the same "facts" about the situation.
In an effort to get "in sync" with the other party, the remaining partie(s) make the necessary changes to "match-up". Here are a couple of major lie collisions that happened in just the last month:
New Lie
Kapiolani hospital claims to have received "birth letter" from White House and posted on their web site. The letter was supposedly written by Obama saying he was born at their hospital. The "birth letter" appeared to be a blatent forgery as the letter was done with standard HTML. Once confronted about the implications of a forgery, Kapiolani quick removed the letter from their site. (See complete details here)
Read more ... [link to www.repubx.com] Quoting: zaxxion 705708 Avian October 2009 Doom Arrives User ID: 684156 7/27/2009 1:24 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
TPTB are gonna run with the original was discarded and the COLB is the only official record now...f**king liars...this is from my thread over the weekend
Look at the contradictions
State of Hawaii official Statement October 2008
[link to www.kitv.com]
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.
Huffingtonn Post and CNN Reponse July 24, 2009
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
per CNN President John Klein in his response to the Letter:
In part, Klein writes, "It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef." Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn't produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama's original birth certificate. and now this from the Telegraph
the next day (July 25, 2009) the story changes a bit but is quoted from the same John Klein...notice the mind blowing change of words
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
In an email, he said that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded paper documents in 2001. Because of that, Obama's long-form birth certificate no longer exists and the shorter certificate of live birth that has been made public is the sole official record. "It seems to definitively answer the question," he said. -Benito Mussolini "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."
–Joseph Goebbels "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie.
It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." Anonymous Coward User ID: 735940 7/27/2009 1:31 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
I'm not from your ccountry.... but watching both sides of this debate, one sure way to stop this is for the Big O to just open the records.
When they change information, or try to hide things, it just makes it look more suspicious.
Just let them look Barry. What's the big deal? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380499
What's the big deal? Anonymous Coward User ID: 729301 7/27/2009 1:40 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
we've crossed the "event horizon"
no turning back
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730464
Agreed. Anonymous Coward User ID: 735940 7/27/2009 1:45 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
Even if Obama were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be eligible to be President.
By Attorney Leo Donofrio
Don’t be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues.
They are irrelevant to Senator Obama’s ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama’s father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama’s birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen “at birth”, just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be eligible to be President.
The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that’s why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not “natural born Citizens”. Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;
That’s it right there.
The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn’t want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.
The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as “natural born Citizens”, so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.
But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.
The Framers distinguished between “natural born Citizens” and all other “Citizens”. And that’s why it’s important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of “Citizen”, not “natural born Citizen”. The Framers were Citizens, but they weren’t natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document. Since the the Framers didn’t consider themselves to have been “natural born Citizens” due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a “natural born Citizen” of the United States.]
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Obama said the Constitution is flawed. Americans-><-Obama Anonymous Coward User ID: 684422 7/27/2009 1:47 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
Birthers. Stop immediately. This is a psyop. I knew it when Berg agreed to appear on Alex Jones. The purpose is to shift the public's anger toward right wingers and survivalists. GsBloodStains User ID: 91894 7/27/2009 1:47 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
Can someone explain how the letter "being in HTML" makes it a forgery? repubx.com doesn't seem to have any info and it's gone from the hospital site now so I can't take a look for myself.
thanks Anonymous Coward User ID: 676163 7/27/2009 1:54 PM Re: Lie collisions defending Obama's Birth Certificate become more erroneous Quote
When they change information, or try to hide things, it just makes it look more suspicious.
Just let them look Barry. What's the big deal? Quoting: Anonymous Coward
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No big surprise here: IdentityBlurred-Obama-Puppet crumbles in to the right wing-corporatist-CIA-Drug Comanies-GOP dictates that there must be no universal, free health care in die USA as there is in every other developed nation on the planet. So much for the appearance of u.s. "democracy," as millions of americans die every year, including children and infants, due to the denial of affordable and acessible medical care:
White House appears ready to drop 'public option' By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama's administration signaled on Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run health insurance as part of his ambitious health care proposal.
Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives. Such a concession is likely to enrage ["enrage" ---AP writes of "liberals" as if they are crazy animals] his liberal supporters but could deliver Obama a much-needed win on a top domestic priority opposed by GOP lawmakers [who are so mysteriously powerful despite being in the minority in both the Senate and the House, and also in the minority of state governor positions in the 50 states].
Officials from both political parties reached across the aisle in an effort to find compromises on proposals they left behind when they returned to their districts for an August recess.
Obama has been pressing for the government to run a health insurance organization to help cover the nation's almost 50 million uninsured, but Republicans remain steadfast in arguing against it.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that government alternative to private health insurance is "not the essential element" of the administration's health care overhaul. The White House would be open to co-ops, she said, a sign that Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory on the showdown.
"I think there will be a competitor to private insurers," Sebelius said. "That's really the essential part, is you don't turn over the whole new marketplace to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing."
Obama's top spokesman refused to say a public option was a make-or-break choice for the administration.
"What I am saying is the bottom line for this for the president is, what we have to have is choice and competition in the insurance market," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.
Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., chairman of the Senate's budget committee, pushed the co-op model as an alternative.
"It's not government-run and government-controlled," he said. "It's membership-run and membership-controlled. But it does provide a nonprofit competitor for the for-profit insurance companies, and that's why it has appeal on both sides."
As proposed by Conrad, the co-ops would receive federal startup money, but then would operate independently of the government. They would have to maintain the same financial reserves that private companies are required to keep to handle unexpectedly high claims.
Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., said Obama's team is making a political calculation and embracing the co-op alternative as "a step away from the government takeover of the health care system" that the GOP has pummeled.
"I don't know if it will do everything people want, but we ought to look at it. I think it's a far cry from the original proposals," he said.
Republicans say a public option would have unfair advantages that would drive private insurers out of business. Critics say co-ops would not be genuine public options for health insurance.
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, said it would be difficult to pass any legislation through the Democratic-controlled Congress without the promised public plan.
"We'll have the same number of people uninsured," she said. "If the insurance companies wanted to insure these people now, they'd be insured."
Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., said the Democrats' option would force individuals from their private plans to a government-run plan, a claim that the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office supports.
"There is a way to get folks insured without having the government option," he said. Obama, writing an opinion piece in Sunday's New York Times, said political maneuvers should be excluded from the debate.
"In the coming weeks, the cynics and the naysayers will continue to exploit fear and concerns for political gain," he wrote. "But for all the scare tactics out there, what's truly scary - truly risky - is the prospect of doing nothing."
Congress' proposals, however, seemed likely to strike end-of-life counseling sessions. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has called the session "death panels," a label that has drawn rebuke from her fellow Republicans as well as Democrats.
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, declined to criticize Palin's comments and said Obama wants to create a government-run panel to advise what types of care would be available to citizens.
"In all honesty, I don't want a bunch of nameless, faceless bureaucrats setting health care for my aged citizens in Utah," Hatch said.
Sebelius said the end-of-life proposal was likely to be dropped from the final bill.
"We wanted to make sure doctors were reimbursed for that very important consultation if family members chose to make it, and instead it's been turned into this scare tactic and probably will be off the table," she said.
Sebelius spoke on CNN's "State of the Union" and ABC's "This Week." Gibbs appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation." Conrad and Shelby appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Johnson and Price spoke with "State of the Union." Hatch was interviewed on "This Week."
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Judge throws out 'birther' complaint in Georgia, puts lawyer on notice
By Alan Riquelmy | The Columbus (Ga.) Ledger-Enquirer
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/75523.html?storylink=omni_popular
U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land today tossed out a complaint by an Army captain fighting deployment to Iraq by questioning the legitimacy of President Barack Obama.
Land also put attorney Orly Taitz, who represents Capt. Connie Rhodes and is a leader in the national "birther" movement, on notice by stating that she could face sanctions if she ever files a similar "frivolous" lawsuit in his court.
"(Rhodes) has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is ineligible to serve as president of the United States," Land states in his order. "Instead, she uses her complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the president is 'an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, [and] an unqualified imposter.'"
Rhodes, who filed her complaint Sept. 4 in the Columbus Division of U.S. District Court, argued that some facts point to Obama not being naturalized or possibly an illegal immigrant.
To read the complete article, visit www.ledger-enquirer.com.
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Gore Vidal: US Under Obama Could Slide Into Military Dictatorship...
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Gore Vidal: ‘We’ll have a dictatorship soon in the US’ The grand old man of letters Gore Vidal claims America is ‘rotting away’ — and don’t expect Barack Obama to save it.
A conversation with Gore Vidal unfolds at his pace. He answers questions imperiously, occasionally playfully, with a piercing, lethal dryness. He is 83 and in a wheelchair (a result of hypothermia suffered in the war, his left knee is made of titanium). But he can walk (“Of course I can”) and after a recent performance of Mother Courage at London’s National Theatre he stood to deliver an anti-war speech to the audience.
How was his friend Fiona Shaw in the title role? “Very good.” Where did they meet? Silence. The US? “Well, it wasn’t Russia.” What’s he writing at the moment? “It’s a little boring to talk about. Most writers seem to do little else but talk about themselves and their work, in majestic terms.” He means self-glorifying? “You’ve stumbled on the phrase,” he says, regally enough. “Continue to use it.”
Vidal is sitting in the Connaught Hotel in Mayfair, where he has been coming to stay for 60 years. He is wearing a brown suit jacket, brown jumper, tracksuit bottoms; his white hair twirled into a Tintin-esque quiff and with his hooded eyes, delicate yet craggy features and arch expression, he looks like Quentin Crisp, but accessorised with a low, lugubrious growl rather than camp lisp.
He points to an apartment opposite the hotel where Churchill stayed during the Second World War, as Downing Street was “getting hammered by the Nazis. The crowds would cheer him from the street, he knew great PR.” In a flash, this memory reminds you of the swathe of history Vidal has experienced with great intimacy: he was friends with JFK, fought in the war, his father Gene, an Olympic decathlete and aeronautics teacher, founded TWA among other airlines and had a relationship with Amelia Earhart. (Vidal first flew and landed a plane when he was 10.) He was a screenwriter for MGM in the dying days of the studio system, toyed with being a politician, he has written 24 novels and is hailed as one of the world’s greatest essayists.
Related Links I knew JFK, and believe me Obama’s the better leader Then and Now He has crossed every boundary, I say. “Crashed many barriers,” he corrects me.
Last year he famously switched allegiance from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama during the Democratic nomination process for president. Now, he reveals, he regrets his change of heart. How’s Obama doing? “Dreadfully. I was hopeful. He was the most intelligent person we’ve had in that position for a long time. But he’s inexperienced. He has a total inability to understand military matters. He’s acting as if Afghanistan is the magic talisman: solve that and you solve terrorism.” America should leave Afghanistan, he says. “We’ve failed in every other aspect of our effort of conquering the Middle East or whatever you want to call it.” The “War on Terror” was “made up”, Vidal says. “The whole thing was PR, just like ‘weapons of mass destruction’. It has wrecked the airline business, which my father founded in the 1930s. He’d be cutting his wrists. Now when you fly you’re both scared to death and bored to death, a most disagreeable combination.”
His voice strengthens. “One thing I have hated all my life are LIARS [he says that with bristling anger] and I live in a nation of them. It was not always the case. I don’t demand honour, that can be lies too. I don’t say there was a golden age, but there was an age of general intelligence. We had a watchdog, the media.” The media is too supine? “Would that it was. They’re busy preparing us for an Iranian war.” He retains some optimism about Obama “because he doesn’t lie. We know the fool from Arizona [as he calls John McCain] is a liar. We never got the real story of how McCain crashed his plane [in 1967 near Hanoi, North Vietnam] and was held captive.”
Vidal originally became pro-Obama because he grew up in “a black city” (meaning Washington), as well as being impressed by Obama’s intelligence. “But he believes the generals. Even Bush knew the way to win a general was to give him another star. Obama believes the Republican Party is a party when in fact it’s a mindset, like Hitler Youth, based on hatred — religious hatred, racial hatred. When you foreigners hear the word ‘conservative’ you think of kindly old men hunting foxes. They’re not, they’re fascists.”
Another notable Obama mis-step has been on healthcare reform. “He f***ed it up. I don’t know how because the country wanted it. We’ll never see it happen.” As for his wider vision: “Maybe he doesn’t have one, not to imply he is a fraud. He loves quoting Lincoln and there’s a great Lincoln quote from a letter he wrote to one of his generals in the South after the Civil War. ‘I am President of the United States. I have full overall power and never forget it, because I will exercise it’. That’s what Obama needs — a bit of Lincoln’s chill.” Has he met Obama? “No,” he says quietly, “I’ve had my time with presidents.” Vidal raises his fingers to signify a gun and mutters: “Bang bang.” He is referring to the possibility of Obama being assassinated. “Just a mysterious lone gunman lurking in the shadows of the capital,” he says in a wry, dreamy way.
Vidal now believes, as he did originally, Clinton would be the better president. “Hillary knows more about the world and what to do with the generals. History has proven when the girls get involved, they’re good at it. Elizabeth I knew Raleigh would be a good man to give a ship to.”The Republicans will win the next election, Vidal believes; though for him there is little difference between the parties. “Remember the coup d’etat of 2000 when the Supreme Court fixed the selection, not election, of the stupidest man in the country, Mr Bush.”
Vidal says forcefully that he wished he’d never moved back to the US to live in Hollywood, from his clifftop home in Ravello, Italy, in 2000. His partner of 53 years, Howard Austen, who died in 2003, collated a lifetime’s-span of pictures of Vidal, for a new book out this autumn, Gore Vidal: Snapshots in History’s Glare (an oddly clunky title). The cover shows what a beautiful young man Vidal was, although his stare is as hawkish as it is today.
He observes presidential office-holders balefully. “The only one I knew well was Kennedy, but he didn’t impress me as a good president. It’s like asking, ‘What do I think of my brother?’ It’s complicated. I’d known him all my life and I liked him to the end, but he wrecked his chances with the Bay of Pigs and Suez crises, and because everyone was so keen to elect Bobby once Jack had gone, lies started to be told about him — that he was the greatest and the King of Camelot.”
Today religious mania has infected the political bloodstream and America has become corrosively isolationist, he says. “Ask an American what they know about Sweden and they’d say ‘They live well but they’re all alcoholics’. In fact a Scandinavian system could have benefited us many times over.” Instead, America has “no intellectual class” and is “rotting away at a funereal pace. We’ll have a military dictatorship fairly soon, on the basis that nobody else can hold everything together. Obama would have been better off focusing on educating the American people. His problem is being over-educated. He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is. Benjamin Franklin said that the system would fail because of the corruption of the people and that happened under Bush.”
Vidal adds menacingly: “Don’t ever make the mistake with people like me thinking we are looking for heroes. There aren’t any and if there were, they would be killed immediately. I’m never surprised by bad behaviour. I expect it.”
While materially comfortable, Vidal’s was not a happy childhood. Of his actress and socialite mother Nina, he says: “Give her a glass of vodka and she was as tame as could be. Growing up is going to be difficult if the one person you hate is your mother. I felt trapped. I was close to my grandparents and my father was a saint.” His parents’ many remarriages means that even today he hasn’t met all his step-siblings.
He wrote his first novel, Williwaw, at 19. In 1948, he was blacklisted by the media after writing The City and the Pillar, one of the earliest novels to deal graphically with homosexual desire. “You’ll be amazed to know it is still going strong,” he says. The “JT” it is dedicated to is James “Jimmy” Trimble, Vidal’s first love and, he once said, the love of his life. “That was a slight exaggeration. I said it because there wasn’t any other. In the new book there are wonderful pictures of him from our schooldays. He was a great athlete.” Here his voice softens, and he looks emotional, briefly. “We were both abandoned in our dormitory at St Alban’s [boarding school]. He was killed at the Battle of Iwo Jima [in 1945] because of bad G2 [intelligence].”
Vidal says Trimble’s death didn’t affect him. “No, I was in danger of dying too. A dead man can’t grieve a dead man.” Has love been important to him? “Don’t make the error that schoolteacher idiots make by thinking that gay men’s relationships are like heterosexual ones. They’re not.” He “wouldn’t begin to comment” on how they are different.
In 1956 he was hired by MGM, collaborated on the screenplay for Ben Hur and continued to write novels, most notoriously Myra Breckenridge about a transsexual. It is his satires, essays and memoirs — Live From Golgotha, Palimpsest and most recently, Point to Point Navigation — which have fully rounded our vision of this thorny contrarian, whose originality springs simply, and naturally, from having deliberately unfixed allegiances and an enduring belief in an American republic and railing sadness at how that ideal has been corrupted.
Vidal became a supportive correspondent of Timothy McVeigh, who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City in 1995 killing 168 people. The huge loss of life, indeed McVeigh’s act of mass murder, goes unmentioned by Vidal. “He was a true patriot, a Constitution man,” Vidal claims. “And I was torn, my grandfather [the Democrat Senator Thomas Gore] had bought Oklahoma into the Union.” McVeigh claimed he had done it as a protest against tyrannical government. The writer Edmund White took the correspondence as the basis for a play, Terre Haute (the jail McVeigh was incarcerated in before he was executed in 2001), imagining an encounter between the bomber and Vidal charged with desire.
“He’s a filthy, low writer,” Vidal says of White. “He likes to attack his betters, which means he has a big field to go after.” Had he wanted to meet McVeigh? “I am not in the business of meeting people,” Vidal says. “That play implies I am madly in love with McVeigh. I looked at his [White’s] writing and all he writes about is being a f*g and how it’s the greatest thing on Earth. He thinks I’m another queen and I’m not. I’m more interested in the Constitution and McVeigh than the loving tryst he saw. It was vulgar f*g-ism.”
Vidal says that he hates labels and has said he believes in homosexual acts rather than homosexual people. He claims his relationship with Austen was platonic (though they reputedly met at a legendary New York bath-house). He was once quoted as saying that he’d had sex with a 1,000 men by the time he was 25. It must have been a little strange for Austen, Vidal’s life companion, to source those pictures of Trimble, his first, perhaps only, love.
Vidal puts on a scornful, campy voice. “People ask [of he and Austen], ‘How did you live together so long?’ The only rule was no sex. They can’t believe that. That was when I realised I was dealing with a public too stupid by half. They can’t tell the difference between ‘The Sun rose in the East’ and ‘The Sun is made of yeast’.” Was sex important to Vidal? “It must have been yes.”
He is single now. “I’m not into partnerships,” he says dismissively. I don’t even know what it means.” He “couldn’t care less” about gay marriage. “Does anyone care what Americans think? They’re the worst-educated people in the First World. They don’t have any thoughts, they have emotional responses, which good advertisers know how to provoke.” You could have been the first gay president, I say. “No, I would have married and had nine children,” he replies quickly and seriously. “I don’t believe in these exclusive terms.”
Impaired mobility doesn’t bother him — he “rose like a miracle” on stage at the National — and he doesn’t dwell on mortality either. “Either you accept there is such a thing or you’re so dumb that you can’t grasp it.” Is he in good health? “No, of course not. I’m diabetic. It’s odd, I’ve never been fat and I don’t like candy, which most Americans are hooked on.”
There is a trace of thwarted ambition about him. “I would have liked to have been president, but I never had the money. I was a friend of the throne. The only time I envied Jack was when Joe [Kennedy, JFK’s father] was buying him his Senate seat, then the presidency. He didn’t know how lucky he was. Here’s a story I’ve never told. In 1960, after he had spent so much on the presidential campaign, Joe took all nine children to Palm Beach to lecture them. He was really angry. He said, ‘All you read about the Kennedy fortune is untrue. It’s non-existent. We’ve spent so much getting Jack elected and not one of you is living within your income’. They all sat there, shame-faced. Jack was whistling. He used to tap his teeth: they were big teeth, like a xylophone. Joe turned to Jack and he says, ‘Mr President, what’s the solution?’ Jack said, ‘The solution is simple. You all gotta work harder’.” Vidal guffaws heartily.
Hollywood living proved less fun. “If there was a social whirl, you can be sure I would not be part of it.” He does a fabulous impression of Katharine Hepburn complaining about playing the matriarch in Suddenly Last Summer, which he wrote. “I hate this script,” he recalls Hepburn saying . “I’m far too healthy a person to know people like this.” Vidal snorts. “She had Parkinson’s. She shook like a leper in the wind.”
I ask what he wants to do next. “My usual answer to ‘What am I proudest of?’ is my novels, but really I am most proud that, despite enormous temptation, I have never killed anybody and you don’t know how tempted I have been.”
That wasn’t my question, I say. “Well, given that I’m proudest that I haven’t killed anybody, I might be saving something up for someone.” A perfect line: we both laugh.
Is he happy? “What a question,” he sighs and then smiles mischievously. “I’ll respond with a quote from Aeschylus: ‘Call no man happy till he is dead’.” [link to women.timesonline.co.uk] George Orwell was right..Black is White, Up is Down, War is Peace... georgebushworstprezever User ID: 778621 9/30/2009 7:19 PM Re: Gore Vidal: US Under Obama Could Slide Into Military Dictatorship... Quote
"US Under Obama Could Slide Into Military Dictatorship"...
WTF?? I guess reading comprehension is not your forte, eh? No where in the article does Vidal actually say or even infer this. Nice try.
Nevertheless, it's an interesting article about an interesting person. It's too bad he's never actually fully come to terms with his sexual identity.
It's too bad you (the OP) didn't select some of the things he says about Bush, McCain or the GOP to use in your thread title instead. It would have been just as enticing, but actually truthful. New Age Messiah User ID: 782948 9/30/2009 7:21 PM Re: Gore Vidal: US Under Obama Could Slide Into Military Dictatorship... Quote
No where in the article does Vidal actually say or even infer this. Quoting: georgebushworstprezever 778621
Yeah he does. He says it, that there could be a power vacuum, that the military will drive Obama from power, because Obama is so lame. [link to www.lookyourheartinthemirror.com] georgebushworstprezever User ID: 778621 9/30/2009 7:27 PM Re: Gore Vidal: US Under Obama Could Slide Into Military Dictatorship... Quote
No where in the article does Vidal actually say or even infer this.
Yeah he does. He says it, that there could be a power vacuum, that the military will drive Obama from power, because Obama is so lame. Quoting: New Age Messiah
Sorry, but that isn't what he says in the article. Nice try also. Faith User ID: 773494 9/30/2009 7:29 PM
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Military Dictatorship? Never going to happen. New Age Messiah User ID: 782948 9/30/2009 7:33 PM Re: Gore Vidal: US Under Obama Could Slide Into Military Dictatorship... Quote
"We’ll have a military dictatorship fairly soon, on the basis that nobody else can hold everything together."
Obama is implied, "nobody" can hold everything together.
[link to www.lookyourheartinthemirror.com]
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FarCIAcal nobel war prize from iraq-invading, CIA-infested, NATO puppet, neo-Quisling nation of NORWAY. "And this year's reward goes to.... a fake identity!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpheXxu9vM0
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Oct 9, 2009, 4:56pm, beatlies wrote:
October 8, 2009 First Daughters Not Vaccinated Against H1N1
President Obama's school age daughters have not been vaccinated against the H1N1 flu virus. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs says the vaccine is not available to them based on their risk.
The Centers for Disease Control recommend that children ages 6 months through 18 years of age receive a vaccination against the H1N1 flu virus. At this time only children with chronic medical conditions are receiving the vaccination because their immune system is not strong enough to fight off the strain. The CDC also says a regular seasonal flu shot does not protect against the virus.
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7 comments Charlotte Reply Did any of you read the article? ¡°At this time only children with chronic medical conditions are receiving the vaccination because their immune system is not strong enough to fight off the strain.¡± Since neither of the girls have chronic medical conditions, they¡¯re not getting the vaccine. Seems simple to me. This is not news.
October 9, 2009 at 5:25 pm
To-To Reply The ¡°First Daughters¡± should be vaccinated just like all americas children and pregnant women.
October 9, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Jenny van Laar Reply I applaud Mr. Obama and Mrs. Obama. Smart people do not vaccinate their children with a vaccine that is under fire and about which the FDA is being sued for not checking the safety properly as the law requires.
October 9, 2009 at 10:21 am
rip Reply Is this news Fox. so what the first daughters have not been vaccinated. Worry about your own kids well beings and get off theirs. Go get a life and grow up Fox!
October 9, 2009 at 10:14 am
Emery Reply What a bunch of you know what. These are the kids of the President. To say they don¡¯t have priority yet is bull. The vaccine is not safe and ¡°That¡± is the reason why they have not, and will not, get the vaccine. I¡¯m sure of that.
October 8, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Mary Neis Reply Well great show of confidence for the American population!
October 8, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Hambonnet Reply HA HA HA!!! More proof of this admin¡¯s ¡®do as I say not as I do¡¯ policy.
October 8, 2009 at 3:42 pm
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OK folks, can I resume?
Obama wasn't born any place anyone can prove?
Obama's entire past was fabricated by Intelligence Agencies?
If it wasn't in a manger, was he born in a classified high security government lab?
There are already 2 regular versions of Obama, a youthful one who is goofy and acts cute, and an older one who walks the walk and talks the talk?
Obama never met any classmates in the schools he attended and played monopoly with social security numbers and addresses?
A CIA front organization called the Ford Foundation sponsored his questionable birth, sketchy upbringing and fictitious education?
Clones can reproduce unless the First children are also GMOs?
Michelle is a Luciferian mind control handler for the Obama clones?
He got the Nobel Peace Prize so the Clones don't nuke Norway?
The Obama clones have programming glitches?
Quote:President Barack Obama offered a powerful homage Friday to George H.W. Bush at a forum on public service, crediting his GOP predecessor with inspiring legions of Americans to improve their communities.
He called Bush's words, works and entire life an inspiration – an example of the "extraordinary ripple effect" one person can have.
Bush, 85, used a cane and accepted Obama's arm as he stepped down from the stage. He lauded Obama for embracing a vision of public service similar to his own, setting an example by performing volunteer service on the eve of his inauguration, and following through at the policy level.
"Our 44th president is absolutely right that there isn't a more important time than now, for us all to get involved," Bush said.
Outside, protesters spent the afternoon denouncing Obama as a socialist and a liar. Many were puzzled that Bush invited him to campus.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/....1.4c1c6 1f.html
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So either Obama was reminded that Godfather Bush is his CIA boss, or October 16th is Clone Solidarity Day?
Here is an eyewitness statement of what happened only a short while before that effusion of gooey a$$ sucking:
Quote:The following has been confirmed first-hand by witnesses on the ground: 'President' Obama arrived on 16th October at Houston, TX, on Air Force One. Local dignitaries went out to greet him, as the plane was parking on the tarmac. A bright, shiny, new 'state-of-the-art' polished stairway was rolled up to Air Force One. In large letters on the side of the stairway the following Bush-slogan screamed at the cameras: 'GEORGE BUSH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, HOUSTON, TEXAS'.
Our sources state that 'President' Obama erupted in a 'petulant conniption hissy fit' and 'demanded a 'politically correct' stairway for him to be photographed on'. Whereupon frantic calls were sent out on all radio channels (to airport fire, police, etc), for a replacement stairway to be brought to the plane. In the course of time, an unused grungy, rusty red stairway, located at the back of a hanger used for maintenance, was dragged out and rushed into service, racing across ACTIVE runways (which had all been closed, however, in deference to Air Force One). The Prez then made his way down the grotty stairway and proceeded on his way to College Station.
http://www.worldreports.org/news/236_in_....ion_news_update
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We may pause to wonder if Bush didn't swap Obama clones between the airport and the Texas A & M University?
Did his White House handlers know that he was planning on doing that?
Was Godfather Bush proving to the other team he still has some cards in his deck?
Was this "in your face" taunting showing who's running the show in Washington?
I like the Clone Glitch theory best.
FORD should recall all defective Barack Obamas!
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Obomba should get the Noballs "War Prize"...killing people in at least 2 places...
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Aug 23, 2008, 8:55pm, beatlies wrote:
Hi Beatlies,
Are you sure you really want an answer to that question?
Did you ever wonder how on Earth, in the totally cornered and controlled U.S. political scene, which huge interests and countless candidates with perfect pedigrees, such an individual could emerge?
Not only do we not know where he was born, we have no evidence of his history.
Obama came out of Nowhere.
What do we usually call this phenomenon of people suddenly appearing? A MIRAGE. But is he just a mirage, or a special kind of mirage made up of flesh and bones?
FACTS:
1. We cannot determine if he was naturally born, no authentic birth certificate being able to be produced.
2. We cannot find any witnesses to his upbringing, be it his childhood friends or college classmates, not even any acquaintances.
3. We cannot explain how he is chosen out of the blue to lead the United States by some of the most powerful people on Earth.
4. We cannot successfully explain how he was able to overcome all odds and become President of the United States of America despite this absence of pedigree or explanations of who he is and where he's from.
5. We cannot understand how he received the first awarding of the highest honor in existance, the Nobel Peace Prize, for not only bringing no peace but waging several simultaneous wars.
6. We cannot discover who he is working for, the citizens of the United States or some other lobby or secret society.
7. We cannot guess his agenda, whether he is part of the New World Order master plan, its opponent, or even the Anti-Christ.
To these seven facts we must come up with at least semi-palatable replies. Otherwise we won't have a clue to what is pending, our doom or salvation which can be resumed in these days of chaotic change as "business as usual".
Until I hear a more logical explanation, I will give one which seems crazy but we must remember just how criminally insane are those who run the world from behind the scenes?
Not having learned of a better hypothesis which could explain each and every one of those 7 facts, the only one that makes sense in an explanatory logic for each of those questions is the following:
REPLIES:
1. Obama was not born in the conventional sense of the term. He is a clone made from specially selected DNA.
2. Obama was not brought up in the traditional manner, he was downloaded information, knowledge, know-how and was coached by Mind Control Programmers who trained him to be a political puppet.
3. He was not chosen to lead the United States among other citizens. He was designed and engineered for the task of pretending to lead the American Republic of the U.S.A.
4. He overcame the odds of the electoral process which would have been stacked against him because there was an Elite plan to impose him to further untold projects and fulfill the huge investment in designing and activating their "Agent".
5. He received the Nobel Peace Prize so that this tool of the Elite gain unconditional acceptance of the population on the basis of such fictitious merit, and especially to silence dissidents who vow to fight an agenda disguised by him as motivated by Peace.
6. He is working for Mystery School Secret Societies who have a cult of the occult and are obsessed with ancient Egyptian lore and symbology while summoning Pharaonic spirits in their rituals.
7. His agenda is that of his masters, who chose him to incarnate their plan. This is why he was presented by the Elite controlled mainstream media as the Messiah during his campaign. We are meant to believe in him in coming times of Prophecy in which we are to witness the coming of the Anti-Christ.
I think that his occultist designers and handlers have access to far greater cloning and mind manipulation technology than we can be aware of, and this opened new opportunities to them.
In such a case, it can be construed that they were able to obtain DNA from a number of different sources. Obama could have been constructed from a MIX of the DNA of many important personalities from the past. Or more simply he could have been produced from the surprisingly well preserved DNA from embalmed mummies dating back several thousand years.
Until a better argument is presented, I vote for his having been genetically manufactured in a laboratory from the physical remnants of DNA found in the tomb of a Nubian Pharaoh of the Egyptian IIIrd Dynasty. Here is my current lead candidate:
Djoser was the first Pharaoh to build a Pyramid.
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In case you didn't know, the Illuminati symbol is the Pyramid with the All Seeing Eye of Horus.
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Other versions of his name are Zoser, Dzoser, Dsr, Djoser, Djeser, Zoser, Zosar, Djéser, Djésèr, Horus-Netjerikhet, Horus-Netjerichet.
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We know that facial representation of Pharaohs was somewhat stylized to symbolize their power, we also know that there would have been little reason to stylize feet or hands. Here are Obama's feet without shoes. Believe it or not, he took them off during a museum tour at the Pyramids.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/09/obamas-trip-behind-the-sc_n_213523.html
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His hands are thin and much of a continuation of the arm as are those of Barack Obama which can be seen here both with fingers straight and making a fist like in the statue.
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Djoser having constructed the very first pyramid in ancient history, he did not however entirely vanish without a trace from the face of the Earth. While he may have died in 2611 BC, his well conserved mummy survived and reached us with genetic material. The Qasr el-Aini collection in Cairo still conserves part of Djoser's mummy. Only a few cells are needed if it was used as a source of DNA for genetically engineered cloning. If so, then the White House may well have become something of a human Jurassic Park?
We can assume that the Oval Office is meant to symbolize the All Seeing Eye of Horus.
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Underneath the Eye shaped patterned rug, we find a new flooring installed in 2005 which represents 4 Pyramidal triangles which meet a the center. At the top of each of these 4 pyramids a rug is placed to symbolize the All Seeing Eye of Horus.
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If the above theory is true, then the Oval Office of the All Seeing Eye of Horus is now occupied by Horus-Netjerikhet.
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Across from Israeli Premier Golda Meir you will notice the demonic Zbigniew Brzeziński who hand picked Jimmy Carter for President and more recently "made" Barack Obama. If you read this thread you will better understand why Brzeziński looks like the devil.
http://doppels.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=research&action=display&thread=91
Zbigniew Brzeziński is at present the main link we have between the two most unusual Presidents of the United States of America. Jimmy Carter who was stalked by swamp rabbits and fell over still walking with his legs in the air, and Barack Obama the mystery man who appears out of nowhere by sleight of hand.
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In case you are wondering what such a Pharaonic heritage implies about the dispositions of such a ruler towards us, I refer you to the oldest known fragment of early Egyptian writing dating back to the beginning of Hieroglyphs.
It eloquently evokes, in a way that even the illiterate will have no trouble understanding, the subtle relationship between King Namer and his subjects. We can only hope that his modern successor Djoser II will not follow the example of tugging slaves by the short hairs to club them into submission.
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