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« Thread Started on Oct 13, 2009, 3:14pm » | |
This thread is dedicated to exploring the History of Cloning.
Officially, in 2009 at the time this forum topic is first started, contemporary science is not yet able, or willing, to create human clones. Animals have been cloned, but there has not yet been any official announcement of human beings having been successfully cloned.
Futhermore, there is a considerable taboo regarding cloning people, given that we would not be very comfortable that others elect themselves as "Gods" creating human life as they deem it fit to exist. Most of humanity has ethical issues regarding cloning, and would not look forward to a world inhabited by clones.
Nonetheless, it is conceivable that human cloning is something which is probably ongoing in secret military research and it might have occurred in the past, as we shall explore in this thread.
To start the thread, I will bring forward a possible cloning candidate, dating back over two centuries in time. I know this doesn't sound conceivable or even remotely likely, and its implications if true would mean that there has been quite a bit of knowledge and science which has been kept hidden away for centuries, guarded within secret societies with a vocation for control and manipulation.
My candidate for early cloning is the Imperial Prince Napoleon Francois Joseph Charles, King of Rome, Duke of Reichstadt, also known as Napoleon II later named "L'aiglon" or "The Eaglet" by French novelist Victor Hugo, himself believed to be at the head of the Priory of Sion.
We must remember that his father, Napoleon Bonaparte, was brought to power by the French Revolution of which he was the main war hero. Not insignificantly, Napoleon was sent to Egypt where he waged and won the Battle of the Pyramids. Upon his return to France he brought back many artifacts and treasures from Antiquity, possibly some we know little about.
Napoleon was an Illuminati, as were the key ideologues and politicians of the French Revolution. The philosopher Voltaire, who was Grand Master of Freemasonry, used his Illuminati name "Voltaire" as his pen name, his real name being Francois Marie Arouet. The most notorious Revolutionary leader was Robespierre, nicknamed the Incorruptible; he was also member of the Illuminati as were most of the others.
It should therefore come as no surprise that another Freemason and Illuminati would take over where they left off, to further carry out their plans for a totalitarian New World Order, the order of centuries. Napoleon was quite successful in bringing about a fascist control system, his Minister of Police Joseph Fouche organizing the first pervasive spy system later used as a model for the intelligence agencies such as the Gestapo, the KGB and the Stasi (not surprisingly, that minister stayed on when Kings returned to power).
It is my contention that Napoleon was to militarily take over all of Europe, then the main power base and concentration of wealth of planet Earth, then to extend this to the World. He toppled not only the rulers of nations, he replaced their entire administrative processes with new centralized bureaucratic controls. Everything became codified, under the Napoleon Code which became the basis for modern legislative rules in the western world.
Once all was united under his rule, he was to be succeeded by his son, the new ruler of the world. His wife, Josephine de Beauharnais, was no longer able to bear children after the birth of her son and daughter from her previous marriage to a French General. Yet she remained officially Empress once divorced from Napoleon so that he could remarry with a fertile young spouse, who would carry his son to term. We can speculate that his second spouse, Marie Louise of the Holy Roman Empire, was offered for this very purpose.
This is to explain why it is conceivable, if not scientifically plausible, that Napoleon was used by the Illuminati to re-establish a lost dynasty, the dynasty symbolized by the Illuminati emblem of the Pyramid. To begin, the Revolution had overturned much of Judeo-Christian civilization, banishing the church and promoting a new religion for the SUPREME BEING aka Nature, replacing the calendar with different months, starting it at Year Zero to begin a new Era (any relation to Ground Zero established on the first year of the new Millenium?).
The ancient mystery schools behind Rosicrucians, Freemasonry and the Illuminati are said to have their roots in the Brotherhood of the Serpent dating back to ancient Egypt. Much of the occult symbolism present in their rituals and dates back to the ancient mystery schools and only the highest initiates are revealed the truth about what hidden knowledge they withhold from the rest of humanity, and the secret agenda behind their great work.
We can assume that this agenda has, if not principally at minimum as a corollary nice to have feature, the objective of resurrecting the ancient Pharaohs to reestablish their dynastic ruling over our destinies. To this end, we can consider a number of efforts including the reproduction by cloning of ancient Pharaohs. Before you shout "What Next?" here is what brought me to consider this possibility.
We all know that portrait painters, if not systematically, at least regularly either by request or because the ugliness of a subject was too repulsive to portray them honestly, had learned the art of virtual cosmetic surgery by reducing disharmonious traits or masking certain facial characteristics. Some may also consider the use of portraiture to better disguise for propaganda purposes the likeness of doubles who may have been occasionally substituted for important officials or members of nobility. It can be assumed, from the evidence which can be discovered, that this art of disguise and embellishment was pressed into service and even pressed to its limits in the representations of Napoleon Bonaparte's only son and heir to his Empire.
This was not, as can be assumed, because he bore the somewhat unflattering traits of his father which was not a handsome man by any measure, and certainly not because he took after his mother who was a pleasant looking Austrian Princess. It is more likelly because he in fact looked nothing like either of them, having cranial and facial features which were not like father or mother. And this was probably not due to marital infidelity as is often the case in such an event. For his appearance was not even European, seeming to look more like a souvenir from his father's middle eastern travels than an extension of his genetic heritage.
What exactly did Napoleon bring back from his conquest of Egypt? And was his mission as successful as claimed? Why did he order the execution of an entire brigade of his army, on pretenses that they had been contaminated by the plague? What did they know and why did they need to be silenced? Were they witnesses to what they shouldn't ever have seen?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jaffa
The following is a propaganda painting by Baron Antoine Gros, official "imbeded" painter who accompanied the French Army during the Egyptian invasion, showing a fictional visit by Napoleon to plague infected soldiers whom in reality he 'compassionately' ordered executed for alleged sanitary reasons.
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While such a genocidal supposition seems odd if not unbelievable, as no motives seem to support such alleged acts, we must however reconsider our position in the light of what might, to an educated eye, appear to be evidence of secretive operations under the cover of a banal military incursion, with purposes which extend far beyond the official purposes of purported efforts at colonization.
A brief glance at the death mask of the son of Napoleon Bonaparte and Empress Marie Louise will provide some answers to those versed in the study of Egyptian antiquity and knowing the physiognomy and general demeanor of the Pharaohs. We can compare it to the many known portraits and sculpted busts of his father Napoleon Bonaparte at various ages, as well as the numerous paintings of Empress Marie Louise, to dispel any misrepresentations of his appearance bearing the least bit of resemblance to his alleged biological parents.
The following picture shows a sculpture dating back to Egyptian antiquity of the first Pharaoh to establish Monotheism, Akhenaton or "Echnaton". He was married to Nefertiti and considered himself the representative on Earth of the Sun. To his right you can see the Death Mask of Napoleon II, who allegedly died of Tuberculosis in Vienna. It is a morphologically accurate plaster casting of his face molded immediately upon his death, as traditionally done for important personalities in the times preceding the invention of photography.
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Death masks were used in order to keep an eternal trace of a person's actual physical appearance for posterity. It was common knowledge that portraits, either due to the limited talent of artists or by request for aesthetic or propaganda purposes, were often far from accurately representative of one's physical traits. For this reason, we can reasonably rely upon the features of the molding to imagine the person alive, in living color.
You may verify what Napoleon's son was supposed to look like with a simple Google image search for "Duke of Reichstadt". While some of his features are present in drawings and paintings, they are re-disposed in entirely different proportions. Was this done to flatter his family or out of fear of reprisals? Regardless, his uncanny facial traits are difficult to trace through his official lineage.
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« Reply #1 on Oct 13, 2009, 7:36pm » | |
Getsmart, please see my posts in the Clones thread in the celebrities sub-forum that deal with the history and timeline of cloning experiments and discoveriesfrom the early 1950s (when frogs were first sucessfully cloned) to the present.
At first, I was skeptical that the cloning of humans would be possible even today; however further research on my part, noting the contradictions and new disclosures available in the "open" scientific literature, has caused me to revise my opinion. I now think it possible, even quite likely that humans were sucessfully cloned in "black ops" and unethical human experiments as long ago as the 1960s. It is also biologically feasible, and I now think likely, that cloned humans have been assimilated and "managed" into the general public under the direction of the military and intelligence agencies.
I base this opinion purely on what we now understand to be biologically feasible, and how far back in time that the most advanced sci/tech reached this level of bio-technology (and complete lack of morals, continuining the work of the Nazi and WW II Japanese doctors), and I think it to be in the 1960s time frame.
See for example, my post on the 2001 science news piece that describes how it is actually much easier to clone humans and monkeys (primates) than the lesser evolved "medium stage mammals" such as sheep, goats, cows, dogs; perhaps as easy as it is to clone frogs, which was done openly back in 1952.
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« Reply #2 on Oct 14, 2009, 3:10am » | |
Hi Beatlies,
I see from your open-minded but nonetheless rationalist reply that the idea of earlier than expected cloning isn't to be rejected by you outright as a matter of principle. I can of course well understand that you would not wish to respond the the example provided for a number of reasons. I shall outline and argue these if you will bear with me to either legitimize or invalidate that proposition.
First, it shows an entirely implausible timeline, going back to the days before modern medical science was established. However, to the benefit of my theory, secret societies had decided to bring some of their hidden and protected knowledge mainstream, by drafting and publishing the very first Encyclopedia under the direction of Denis Diderot. We now take this for granted, having had access to encyclopedic knowledge for two centuries. Yet before only rare initiates had the privilege of knowing what we can find out by opening a book or clicking on an internet link.
Diderot was not known to be himself a Freemason, but he was surrounded by an entourage consisting of Masons such as Louis de Jaucourt, Andre Le Breton, Montesquieu, Jean-Baptiste Greuze, Claude-Adrien Helvetius, Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi, Voltaire, Otto Hermann von Vietinghoff, Carlo Goldoni, and his work was incensed by Masons such as Goethe, Guizot and Frederic Bartholdi. This was an effort of "Disclosure" making the ignorant general public consisting of ignorant masses aware of widespread knowledge.
He was also assisted in this enterprise by Jean-Jacques Rousseau entrusted with the music section, as his first vocation was to be a composer. The philosopher Rousseau largely inspired the egalitarian utopia and social ideals behind the French Revolution and possibly even the American Constitution. Rousseau could, in the Tavistock sense, be considered the greatest composer of social reality.
Also, in today's discussions about current technology we can hear many claims about the ruling Elites, through a barrage of black ops and secret services having access to wondrous know-how which goes far beyond our everyday paradigm. This mythology currently shared by much of the public considers those running the show to be wiser or at least better informed that we are, ourselves being purposely kept in the dark and only informed on a need to know basis or in ways which usefully manipulate us.
Some say that superior technology was recently recovered from Alien UFOs which crashed or by contractual exchange with beings from elsewhere through secret government treaties. If we can consider this as being possible in this day and age, why would we not accept the possibility of a similar event in more ancient times? For example, what would have kept the ancient Pharaohs from making a deal with visiting Aliens several thousand years ago? For that matter, who is to say that such contact was interrupted? Could later rulers and dynastic lineages have had some form of contact? There are many early UFO sightings dating back centuries, and if they came to Earth who did they visit?
Others believe that secret technology was discovered through archeological digs in regions of significance for former civilizations, such as the Andes, Tibet, Egypt, Sumer and Babylon. It would have been in the form of vestiges found in ruins, including sculpted and painted representations, ancient texts with technological formulas and possibly even working prototypes?
The fascination of the Knights Templar with early Christian mysteries, the 18th century European fervor for ancient ruins and archeological exploration, rejoining the famous quest for the Holy Grail. Hitler's obsessive fascination for occult relics and the mystical powers of object from antiquity, all these make one wonder if there isn't something more hidden behind this.
Another theory is that Earth in very ancient times used to host such advanced civilizations that even our imagination of Alien technology can't encompass all they knew and could do. Such civilizations would be known only to a tiny Elite, this policy of secrecy dating back as our earliest antiquity. Occult knowledge and related technologies would have been kept hidden through secret societies using blood oaths. In this scenario the Brotherhood of the Serpent started in ancient Egypt could have mutated over many centuries to morph into our modern day Illuminati.
Whichever of these theories we accept, if any of them, they each open to the possibility of cloning at a much earlier date than today. What would prevent those with this know-how from doing so centuries ago? It would be interesting to examine in detail the processes involved and study whether one could instrument such a procedure with limited technological means. However, since it was known that occult scientists undertook strange experiments long ago, then called "alchemy", we don't really know what means they actually may have had at their disposal.
To dispel such claims, all at once with a quick flick of the wrist, all one needs to do is extend the falsification of portraits to the Duke of Reichstadt's mother and ancestry. Yet we know of Spanish royal families of werewolf appearance, painted by portraitists with uncanny realism to the horror of museum goers who discover this with amazement. Were the Austrian royals trying to hid a genetic secret more important to protect than the dreadful illnesses in Spanish royal heredity? Descriptions and accounts of their appearance by their contemporaries may, or may not, reveal more about this possibility...
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« Reply #3 on Oct 14, 2009, 11:58am » | |
EVERYONE should be required to read "The 12th Planet" By Zacharia Sitchen. He has a very logical,easy to understand explanation for why and how we are here. 450,000 years ago aliens landed on earth. A MUCH shortened account of what they did is explained in the old testament.We were created in "Gods" (the aliens) image.The aliens left but the secret societies are still following their plan. That is why we have all the conspiracies.
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« Reply #4 on Oct 14, 2009, 6:51pm » | |
If cloning is really as simple and smooth a process for humans/primates as the scientific literature suggests, then they (the military/spook agency-employed doctors and biologists) may have also done various chilling, weird hybrid-type human clones.
Example: a FEMALE clone (or near-clone) human baby that is the result of a cloned body cell from a MALE adult. How?
Take the skin cell, hair (heir) cell, blood cell, etc. from an adult male; in the petri dish remove the Y (male type) chromosome and clone the X chromosome of the XY pair and place it beside the original X chromosome. Now you have an XX that is completely unique to the adult male donor human, but which will produce a new human that is female. Now implant this cell into the ennucleated egg cell to be cloned, implant that fused egg cell into the womb of the surrogate mother, the embryo will grow and voila, she will give birth to a baby girl that is a cross-gender hybrid-clone of her legal father, or legal grandfather, or whatever male adult she was cloned from.
That's just for starters folks, das Brave New World Order....
https://webspace.utexas.edu/lpy55/human-cloning-diagram.gif
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Article published in the journal “Human Molecular Genetics” says humans easier to clone than other mammals: Humans could be easier to clone than sheep, cattle or mice, according to scientists who have found that a crucial technical hurdle to the procedure does not exist for people. The researchers found that, unlike sheep, cattle, pigs and mice, where cloning results in a high number of foetal deformities and birth defects, humans possess an unusual genetic trait that mostly protects them from this risk. The work centred on a gene for a protein called insulin-like growth factor 2 receptor (IGF2R), which is known to be critical for the growth and normal development of an embryo in a womb. Cloned sheep and cows are known to suffer from "large offspring syndrome", where foetuses grow far bigger than normal, resulting in a high proportion of stillbirths and other developmental abnormalities. Scientists believe that this happens because the IGF2R gene is not functioning. Although sheep, cattle and most other mammals have two copies of this gene, only one of them is switched on. However, in some cloned animals, even this single functioning gene is switched off due to a complicated genetic phenomenon known as imprinting. Duke University researchers have found humans and other primates do not share this imprinting trait with other mammals. In man, both copies of the IGF2R gene are switched on, suggesting that all clones would have at least one functioning gene, therefore making it likely that human cloning would be technically easier and safer. Dr Killian said: "... Since humans are not imprinted at IGF2R, then foetal overgrowth would not be predicted to occur if humans were cloned." Randy Jirtle, another member of the Duke University team, said, "It means that the cloning of humans will be easier – not easy – but easier. The technical issue against it might not even be there. ..." The Duke University study used data from the Human Genome Project to show that imprinting does not affect the IGF2R receptor gene. The American scientists also analysed genetic data from man's nearest relatives, and discovered that this trait is shared by other primates – but not by other mammals.
article at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scienc....ice-665697.html
Severino Antinori: Italian gynaecologist claiming to have cloned three babies who are now living in eastern Europe. said cells from the three fathers, all of whom were sterile, allowed the cloning to be carried out. The women's eggs were impregnated in a laboratory through a method called "nuclear transfer."
article at http://www.canada.com/technology/Italian....9108/story.html
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« Reply #6 on Oct 15, 2009, 3:55pm » | |
It appears that I am not alone to think that cloning can at least be dated back to the 19th century if not earlier.
A caller on the Freeman show with the now famous in PID circles "Tina Foster" speaking about Paul's death made a statement in his phone call during the show at around minute 4:00 ->
I do not know what specific cloning event he may be speaking of during President Grant's presidency, but he must have something in mind one assumes.
Meanwhile, I can offer a possible candidate officially "born" on the 6th of September, 1888. He would be a clone of Tsar Nicholas I reproduced from genetic material to expand the Romanov Dynasty to the new continent of North America in the person of Joseph Patrick Kennedy Senior (father of JFK):
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This may be a reason why American financiers funded through German channels the Russian revolution, to avert their underground takeover of the United States using a hidden relative himself financed by Tsarist interests?
This, of course, is just speculation, as is the motivation for the cloning as well as the relation to the Russian Revolution. It is very hard to make sense of the bloodlines obsessions of aristocrats who are able to legitimize power of life and death upon family trees and genetic descent.
If you scratch the surface, there are other links tying the Kennedy family to the Romanov dynasty that make this likeness worrisome at the very least and shocking if you dig deep enough. I'll post more later as time permits.
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« Reply #7 on Oct 15, 2009, 10:18pm » | |
The above claims may seem unusual and would force one to temporarily suspend disbelief. Here is an additional link between the Kennedy family and the Romanov dynasty which gives pause to think. It is an uncanny similarity in appearance between the oldest son of the Kennedy's destined to become President of the United States, and who's death brought him to be replaced in that function by his younger brother John F. Kennedy, and Russian Tsar Alexander I.
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We must, of course, remember that difference in clothing appearance, body posture of a WWII Navy Lieutenant being far more relaxed than the upheld head of an official pose of a ruler. Full exactitude of Alexander I's features cannot be established on the basis of an oil painting which may have been modified for example by pursing the sitter's lips to make them appear more formal and aloof.
Many will justly doubt any connection, either due to the odd notion of a Romanov plot or due to the scientific impossibility of cloning people. For the latter, we must come to grips with the fact that throughout history, secret societies have withheld secrets from us, not only of a political and economic nature, but also scientific knowledge which might have extended to cloning.
Dating back to King Charles of England, British Royals experimented with animal breeding, creating Cavalier King Charles dogs. We know the Royal obsession with bloodlines and lineage, and we are not far from understanding that if there were scientific research going on in secret during their rule, it might have been related to genetics. It is possible that this was not only a project of the Romanov lineage but one of their larger family group to extend its influence. At the time of the birth of the Kennedy patriarch, three cousins were already ruling half of the world, namely Nicky, Willy and Georgie.
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Whether or not he was a clone of Tsar Alexander I, Lieutenant Joseph Patrick Kennedy Junior died in action during WWII. We may pause to wonder if he wasn't the first Kennedy to be assassinated? If so, might this not explain the Kennedy curse?
If somebody in a high position of power with access to special intelligence information had learned of a conspiracy to bring the Romanov dynasty to rule the U.S.A. through the Kennedy family, might they have taken precautionary measures? The timer which had been set to detonate inside his plane reportedly went off a full 10 minutes before he was to bail out. Interestingly, his plane was followed 300 feet behind by a certain Colonel Elliot Roosevelt, who happened to be the President or the United States' son...
Quote:Operation Aphrodite was a series of bombing runs by explosive-laden aircraft piloted by a skeleton crew who would parachute from the aircraft before detonation. After U.S. Army Air Forces Operation missions were drawn up on July 23, 1944, Kennedy and Lieutenant Wilford John Willy were designated as the first Navy flight crew. Willy had pulled rank over Ensign "FNU" Simpson (who was Kennedy's regular co-pilot) to be on the mission.
They flew a modified version of the B-24 Liberator (code named "Anvil") for the U.S. Navy's first Aphrodite mission. Two Lockheed Ventura mother planes and a navigation plane took off from RAF Fersfield. Next, the BQ-8 "robot" aircraft loaded with 21,170 pounds (9,600 kg) of Torpex took off. It was to be used as a guided missile against the V-3 cannon site in Mimoyecques, France.
Following 300 feet behind them in a de Havilland Mosquito to film the mission was Colonel Elliott Roosevelt, son of U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Kennedy and Willy were aboard as the BQ-8 completed its first remote-control turn. Two minutes later and ten minutes before the planned crew bailout, the Torpex detonated prematurely and destroyed the Liberator. Wreckage landed near the village of Blythburgh in Suffolk, England.
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I think there are some pretty strong similarities in facial features in those 2 pics above.
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« Reply #9 on Oct 15, 2009, 11:55pm » | |
Can you say Stanley Anne Dunham?
Oct 14, 2009, 6:51pm, beatlies wrote:If cloning is really as simple and smooth a process for humans/primates as the scientific literature suggests, then they (the military/spook agency-employed doctors and biologists) may have also done various chilling, weird hybrid-type human clones.
Example: a FEMALE clone (or near-clone) human baby that is the result of a cloned body cell from a MALE adult. How?
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« Reply #10 on Oct 18, 2009, 7:04pm » | |
Oct 15, 2009, 11:55pm, J Gimmysum Truth wrote:
Can you say Stanley Anne Dunham?
Example: a FEMALE clone (or near-clone) human baby that is the result of a cloned body cell from a MALE adult. How?
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Hi Gimmy,
Does this mean you consider that Obama's mother might have been cloned as a copy of a man in a female body? Please elaborate as I've never heard her story.
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« Reply #11 on Oct 20, 2009, 12:24pm » | |
Oct 15, 2009, 10:18pm, GetSmart wrote:Following 300 feet behind them in a de Havilland Mosquito to film the mission was Colonel Elliott Roosevelt, son of U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Kennedy and Willy were aboard as the BQ-8 completed its first remote-control turn. Two minutes later and ten minutes before the planned crew bailout, the Torpex detonated prematurely and destroyed the Liberator. Wreckage landed near the village of Blythburgh in Suffolk, England.
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My presumption of a possible action by the U.S. Presidency against an invisible "coup d'Etat" by the Romanov dynasty to take over the United States with a cloned Tsar, was not logical given what follows. In fact, there may be more to the Roosevelt family than meets the eye, at least at first glance. Let us examine if there is a possible link between them and the Romanov dynasty.
Looking into the unusual coincidence of the son of President Roosevelt flying directly behind the Kennedy heir just as his plane went down, I uncovered some unusual coincidences. Call them slight resemblances, yet it is interesting to note that one can find aesthetic characteristics in common with the Romanov dynasty in both the Kennedy family and the Roosevelt family.
One of the early Romanov emperors of Russia was Tsar Peter I, better known as Peter the Great. Here is a comparison of his physiognomy with that of U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
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Of course Peter has a mustache while Franklin is wearing a suit, but they do have something about them. We can look to his spouse, who was also born a Roosevelt and was officially his cousin Anna Eleanor Roosevelt, niece of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt. For reference, such a marriage among cousins was common behavior among aristocrats to consolidate wealth and power, but was a practice widely discouraged in "normal" families due to the risks of inbreeding birth defects.
Eleanor was in her day as famous if not notorious in public life as her President husband, actively engaged in prompting social and political standards in the USA. Her influence was great enough for a woman in that time period that she is often cited as an example of an empowered woman. This may not be only due to her temperament, but also to her belonging to a powerful social network. Here we can see Eleanor Roosevelt compared to Tsar Paul I's daughter "Misha" officially known as the Grand Duchess Maria Pavovna.
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We can see that later in life there was also some similarity between their demeanor and general appearance.
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This makes me reconsider the circumstances of Joseph Patrick Kennedy Junior's death in an airplane immediately preceding that of Elliot Roosevelt, the son of the above portrayed personalities. If there was involvement on his part with this accident, then it would not be to prevent the accession to power of the Romanov dynasty, but rather to keep this power within the Roosevelt branch versus the Kennedy one?
While this is admittedly pure conjecture, we cannot help notice the unusual similarities in features. Furthermore, if we read the Wikipedia biography of Elliot Roosevelt it is maintained that before dying he had but one obsession, to outlive his older brother
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Such single-minded will to outlive someone else is usually the result of two possibilities. The more common is hatred and a desire for revenge by laughing over another's grave. The second which is less mundane comes from wanting to become heir to a dynasty, namely so that the ruling lineage passes through one's own descendants making the eldest son or his issue heir to a throne.
Did Elliot Roosevelt hate his brother, or yearn to become the TSAR ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Roosevelt
Tsar Nicholas II at age 18 and Elliot Roosevelt in 1939 when he bought the Texas State Network, a regional radio broadcaster.
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ROOSEVELT = ROSENFELD. Jewish...
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faulconandsnowjob
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« Reply #13 on Oct 20, 2009, 6:07pm » | |
So, this video I saw about the Illuminati/Rothschilds banking cabal made some really interesting points.
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#
They were saying that pretty much anyone who stands up to the intl bankers will be taken out. The relevance here is that the Czar was opposed to allowing the private bankers to come into Russia & do what they did to England, France & other countries, namely to get a monopoly on money & thus hi-jack the govt. The intl bankers financed the 1917 Russian Revolution to get rid of the Czar. JFK was assassinated after he wanted to institute debt-free US money, just as Lincoln had done. FDR went along w/ the intl bankers, & allowed them to pretty much confiscate every American's gold & take it out of the country. So... I don't know what this means w/ respect to a particular clone, double, etc, but I think the real culprits are the intl banking cabal.
But anyway, of course, these people are not above killing someone & replacing them, if it serves their agenda. According to Stewart Swerdlow, the 1st cloned human was in Germany in 1927. Who knows if that is true? Maybe the technology is older? It is said that the "real" state of technology could be 100 yrs more advanced than the average person thinks.
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Karma: 3 | | Re: History of Cloning
« Reply #14 on Oct 20, 2009, 9:02pm » | |
Oct 20, 2009, 1:55pm, artemis wrote:| ROOSEVELT = ROSENFELD. Jewish... |
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Roosevelt does not equal "Rosenfeld" and the Roosevelts (inc. both Theodore Roosevelt and Franklin D. Roosevelt") were not at all Jewish.
First name origin & meaning:
Dutch: Field of roses
First name variations: Rooseveldt, Rosevelt
Last name origins & meanings:
Dutch: topographic name for someone living by an area of uncultivated land overgrown with roses, from Dutch roose + velt ‘open country’.
The two U.S. presidents Theodore Roosevelt (1858–1919) and Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882–1945) and the latter’s wife Eleanor Roosevelt (1884–1962) were all descended from a common ancestor, Claes Martenzen van Rosenvelt or Roosevelt, who had settled in New Amsterdam (now NY) from the Netherlands in 1649. He was the son of Maertin Cornelissen Geldersman, who had bought the farm of Rosevelt in Tholen, Zeeland, from Pieter Jorissen op het Rosevelt and his son Joris Pietersen. The family became prosperous with the growth of Manhattan. Theodore Roosevelt was born in New York City; his mother was of Irish and Huguenot descent. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was his 5th cousin. His mother’s family, the Delanos, were descended from Philippe de la Noye (1602–81), a young man who arrived at Plymouth Colony in 1621 in the ‘Fortune’, one year after the Pilgrims.
This name appears in the following lists: First Ladies, Presidents' Kids, U.S. Presidents
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GetSmart et al.--- last year I posted a lot of stuff in this forum on the "surviving Romanov" of the Czar's immediate family, Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, living in exile in first Denmark, with her Holstein dynasty relatives, and then in Toronto, Canada from the late 1940s onward, which at that time became a shameful haven for escaped Nazi war criminals from Central/Eastern Europe "the Argentina of the North."
There appear to be hidden album cover/ultraviolet and song lyric clues to Olga Alexandrovna and cloning experiments on the Sgt. Pepper album, the Magical Mystery Tour album and the white album.
When I have time I'll go back and search for those postings.
Edit:
Aha, found some, see here:
http://doppels.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=text&action=display&thread=137
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