Post by lucy on Jul 9, 2008 14:05:10 GMT -5
This is one that people overlook, but I'm sharing it here. Please excuse the reference forum, but this one needs to be examined as well.
60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=2716
From wikipedia:
"Early life:
Faithful was born Marian Evelyn Faithfull in Hampstead, London. Her father, MAJOR ROBER GLYNN FAITHFULL, WAS A BRITISH MILITARY OFFICER AND COLLEGE PROFESSOR. HER MOTHER, BARONESS EVA ERISSO WAS ORIGINALLY FROM VIENNA, WITH NOBLE ROOTS FROM THE HABSBURG DYNASTY AN DJEWISH ANCESTRY ON HER MATERNAL SIDE, SHE WAS A BALLERINA DUING HER EARLY YEARS AND WORKED WITH THE GERMAN THEATRICAL DUO BERTOL BRECHT AND KURT WEILL. Faithfull's maternal great-great uncle was Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, the infamous 19th century Austrian nobleman whose erotic novel, Venus in Furs, spawned the word "masochism".
She spent some of her early life at the commune formed by her father at Braziers Park, Oxfordshire. After her parents divorced, she moved with her mother to Reading, Berkshire. As a teenager, she attend St. Joseph's Convent School there and was a member of the Progress Theatre student group."
1960's
"Faithfull began her singing career in 1964, landing her first gigs as a fold music performer in coffeehouses. Faithfull was discovered at a Rolling Stones' launch party by pop music producer Andrew Loog Oldham. Her first major release, "As Tears Go By", was penned by Oldham, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, and became a chart success. She then released a series of successful singles, including, "This Little Bird","Summer Nights","Come and Stay With me". Faithfull married artist John Dunbar in 1965. That same year, she gave birth to their son NICHOLAS. The marriage was short-lived, principally owing to Dunbar's heroin addiction.
Faithfull fled from the home she had shared with Dunbar and took their son to stay with Brian Jones and Anita Pallenberg in London. During that time period, Faithfull started using marijuana and became best friends with Pallenberg. She also began a much publicized relationship with Mick Jagger. The relationship with Jagger lasted throughout the late 60's, and the couple became notorious. She was found by British police while on a drug search at Keith Richards' house in Redlands, while earing only a fur rug. In 1968 Faithfull, by now addicted to cocaine, miscarried a daughter whom she had named Corrina while retreating to Jagger's country house in Ireland."
"..Faithful dissolved her relationship with Jagger in 1970, and lost custody of her son in that same year, which led to her mother attempting suicide. marianne's personal life went into decline, and her career went into a tailspin. She only made a few appearances, including a 1973 performance at NBC with David Bowie, singing Sonny and Cher's song "I Got You Babe".
Faithfull lived on London's Shoho streets for two years, suffering from heroin addiction and anorexia nervosa. Friends intervened and enrolled her in the NHS drug programme, from which she could get her daily fix on prescription from a chemist."
"..Severe laryngitis coupled with persistent cocaine abuse during this period permanently altered the sound of Faithfull's voice, leaving it cracked and lower in pitch"..
"Faithfull's career returned full force in 1979..."
I have to put my two cents on some of the items I pulled from the article that I felt sufficient to parallel my thoughts that this one was replaced as well.
The typical story for someone whose career takes a dive and you don't see them for a period of time is either "an accident" or "a drug problem" that causes them to be out of the spotlight for some time, and then they return, looking and sounding quite different.
The excuses for accidents or drug abuse usually is swallowed as to why these people either look so different or sound so different, or both. I've read these "stories" so often, and it's usually those whose names have come up as to being replaced.
One of the other signs of how some of these people come into fame is their fathers were either in the military, or they were part of the spy ops during WWII.
If you examine those photos that are the first posted on the reference link, you can see that there is a visible difference in the women. Not only because one is older than the other, but the eyes of the older woman are smaller and her lips are not as full. Old age may cause skin to sag, but the shape of your eye does not change. The skin may wrinkle and with abuse can look quite older than most of the same age who live a healthy lifestyle.
But there are no features that match.
I tried to find pics myself to post but I cannot find any of Marianne in her later years.
Because the Stones interacted with the Beatles at the said period of time that JPM had been replaced circa late 66 and 67, Marianne being very involved with Jagger, she could have known too much and could have told about all of this.
60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=2716
From wikipedia:
"Early life:
Faithful was born Marian Evelyn Faithfull in Hampstead, London. Her father, MAJOR ROBER GLYNN FAITHFULL, WAS A BRITISH MILITARY OFFICER AND COLLEGE PROFESSOR. HER MOTHER, BARONESS EVA ERISSO WAS ORIGINALLY FROM VIENNA, WITH NOBLE ROOTS FROM THE HABSBURG DYNASTY AN DJEWISH ANCESTRY ON HER MATERNAL SIDE, SHE WAS A BALLERINA DUING HER EARLY YEARS AND WORKED WITH THE GERMAN THEATRICAL DUO BERTOL BRECHT AND KURT WEILL. Faithfull's maternal great-great uncle was Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, the infamous 19th century Austrian nobleman whose erotic novel, Venus in Furs, spawned the word "masochism".
She spent some of her early life at the commune formed by her father at Braziers Park, Oxfordshire. After her parents divorced, she moved with her mother to Reading, Berkshire. As a teenager, she attend St. Joseph's Convent School there and was a member of the Progress Theatre student group."
1960's
"Faithfull began her singing career in 1964, landing her first gigs as a fold music performer in coffeehouses. Faithfull was discovered at a Rolling Stones' launch party by pop music producer Andrew Loog Oldham. Her first major release, "As Tears Go By", was penned by Oldham, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, and became a chart success. She then released a series of successful singles, including, "This Little Bird","Summer Nights","Come and Stay With me". Faithfull married artist John Dunbar in 1965. That same year, she gave birth to their son NICHOLAS. The marriage was short-lived, principally owing to Dunbar's heroin addiction.
Faithfull fled from the home she had shared with Dunbar and took their son to stay with Brian Jones and Anita Pallenberg in London. During that time period, Faithfull started using marijuana and became best friends with Pallenberg. She also began a much publicized relationship with Mick Jagger. The relationship with Jagger lasted throughout the late 60's, and the couple became notorious. She was found by British police while on a drug search at Keith Richards' house in Redlands, while earing only a fur rug. In 1968 Faithfull, by now addicted to cocaine, miscarried a daughter whom she had named Corrina while retreating to Jagger's country house in Ireland."
"..Faithful dissolved her relationship with Jagger in 1970, and lost custody of her son in that same year, which led to her mother attempting suicide. marianne's personal life went into decline, and her career went into a tailspin. She only made a few appearances, including a 1973 performance at NBC with David Bowie, singing Sonny and Cher's song "I Got You Babe".
Faithfull lived on London's Shoho streets for two years, suffering from heroin addiction and anorexia nervosa. Friends intervened and enrolled her in the NHS drug programme, from which she could get her daily fix on prescription from a chemist."
"..Severe laryngitis coupled with persistent cocaine abuse during this period permanently altered the sound of Faithfull's voice, leaving it cracked and lower in pitch"..
"Faithfull's career returned full force in 1979..."
I have to put my two cents on some of the items I pulled from the article that I felt sufficient to parallel my thoughts that this one was replaced as well.
The typical story for someone whose career takes a dive and you don't see them for a period of time is either "an accident" or "a drug problem" that causes them to be out of the spotlight for some time, and then they return, looking and sounding quite different.
The excuses for accidents or drug abuse usually is swallowed as to why these people either look so different or sound so different, or both. I've read these "stories" so often, and it's usually those whose names have come up as to being replaced.
One of the other signs of how some of these people come into fame is their fathers were either in the military, or they were part of the spy ops during WWII.
If you examine those photos that are the first posted on the reference link, you can see that there is a visible difference in the women. Not only because one is older than the other, but the eyes of the older woman are smaller and her lips are not as full. Old age may cause skin to sag, but the shape of your eye does not change. The skin may wrinkle and with abuse can look quite older than most of the same age who live a healthy lifestyle.
But there are no features that match.
I tried to find pics myself to post but I cannot find any of Marianne in her later years.
Because the Stones interacted with the Beatles at the said period of time that JPM had been replaced circa late 66 and 67, Marianne being very involved with Jagger, she could have known too much and could have told about all of this.
