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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Nov 27, 2008 3:59:51 GMT -5
I believe the man who was hanged was not Saddam Hussein, but was a double. This man may have been mind-programmed into believing he really was Saddam Hussein so that under torture, he would not reveal anything to the contrary. Saddam Hussein's body double hanged (starting at 2:08) But the last word has to go to The Daily Heretic. True to his blogname, he’s fairly certain this isn’t the real Saddam were looking at, but just one of his many doubles. “I am disappointed,” he writes. “We could use some amusement now, and the prospect of an impersonator being put on trial (imagine Will Ferrell being put on trial for George Bush’s crimes) is so rich in post-modern irony that CNN would have to hire Jean Baudrillard as their legal analyst to do it justice. “You didn’t think that guy is really Saddam, do you? He had dozens of doubles when he was governing to protect him from assassination. The teeth on this guy they have in custody are all wrong and the eyes are different distances apart. His own wife says it’s not him.” www.cjr.org/blog_report/saddam_hussein_or_body_double.php?page=all&print=trueU.S. CAPTURED SADDAM'S DOUBLE by Der Voron. [December 15, 2003] [WeeklyUniverse.com] Let us analyze what has been reported by CNN and other sources, and some other known facts. It is known that Saddam has several doubles. Saddam was reportedly captured in a "hole", with minimum commodities. I believe his subordinates could have created a little bunker for their commander, deep in the earth and with sufficient reserves of food and beverage, where he could hide and direct their guerrilla war. That the military found a hole instead of a bunker may mean the person found was not Saddam, but his double. If the U.S. military wants to think that their enemy is so silly and helpless, it's their right. It may be, however, that they know they captured Saddam's double, but intentionally claim it is Saddam, because such a news: A) Inspires our troops and all of us Americans; B) Shows our enemy in a very pitiful situation; C) Allows to organize a military tribunal, since "Saddam" is captured. Maybe the U.S. military has itself created a full double for Saddam? It is not as hard as may seem. Today's technologies allow many possibilites. Finally, compare the behavior of captured dictators Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic. When Milosevic was arrested, he behaved quite adequately and no TV channel showed him like half an idiot. But Saddam, or "Saddam", said different unclever things, for example: Q: "How are you?" A: "I am sad because my people are in bondage" (Offered a glass of water) A: "If I drink water I will have to go to the bathroom, and how can I use the bathroom when my people are in bondage?" Repetitive "bondage" makes think that the conversation is unnatural. Indeed, I am sad as my people are in bondage, and how can I drink if I will need to go thereafter to the bathroom (maybe restroom?), and how can I use the bathroom or restroom if my people are still in bondage? Q: "If you had no weapons of mass destruction then why not let the U.N. inspectors into your facilities?" A: "We didn't want them to go into the presidential areas and intrude on our privacy." Yes. Saddam was disturbed about his presidential apartments, but certainly not about military units where he allowed the inspectors into. Don't TV watchers and newspaper readers see that he is an idiot? Did Milosevic say anything similar to this when he was arrested? Saddam was a dictator of Milosevic's level, or better to say, Milosevic was a dictator of Saddam's level. It is either a Saddam double who was created by the US military and said all these answers to show the audience what an unclever person Saddam was and is -- or it is his own double whom Saddam himself arranged to be caught (please see about this version below). It resembles the "public relations" practice in some backward countries when a double of, say, a candidate to mayor or parliament's deputy (arranged by the candidate's rival) comes to you in person and says some very "clever" things; often such a "double" is drunk. Some people don't understand that a candidate to mayor or deputy just cannot come to inhabitants in person, moreover drunk, and get a very poor impression of this candidate. I don't defend Saddam, but let us be unbiased. Our enemies cannot be as silly as we want them to be. For example, when shah Reza Pehlevi ruled Iran, you could think that it was 45,000 American military and other specialists that were the principal support to his regime. But the reality showed that things were absolutely contrary. When in 1979 Iranians insurged against Reza Pehlevi, 45,000 Americans couldn't do anything to help his regime. Evidently, it was the regime and its security service "SAVAC" who made American presence in Iran possible, and not American specialists who made the regime's presence possible in Iran. It may also be that it is Saddam's own double (not made up by US military), who was captured, and he maybe intentionally responds so silly, for Saddam his boss. An old rule of war says: 1) If you are weak then show that you are strong; 2) If you are strong then show that you are weak; 3) If you a-far then show that you are close; 4) If you close then show that you are a-far; etc. Continuing this row of strategems, we can compose the 5th one: 5) If you have something on mind then show that you don't; 6) If you have nothing on mind then show that you do. Because of this, I dare to believe it is somewhat more probable that it was Saddam's own double whom we got in a not very deep hole with a minimum of commodities. ... "But the photographs seem to show a real Saddam". Why not to have an expert determine this? www.weeklyuniverse.com/consp/saddam.htm      |
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Post by artemis on Nov 27, 2008 10:32:49 GMT -5
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Nov 27, 2008 23:35:35 GMT -5
From DEMOCRACY NOW>>Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions at www.bestcyrano.org/THOMASPAINE/?p=737"JOHN PERKINS: ... And, so, we went to Saudi Arabia in the early seventies. We knew Saudi Arabia was the key to dropping our dependency, or to controlling the situation. And we worked out this deal whereby the Royal House of Saud agreed to send most of their petro-dollars back to the United States and invest them in U.S. government securities. The Treasury Department would use the interest from these securities to hire U.S. companies to build Saudi Arabia—new cities, new infrastructure—which we’ve done. And the House of Saud would agree to maintain the price of oil within acceptable limits to us, which they’ve done all of these years, and we would agree to keep the House of Saud in power as long as they did this, which we’ve done, which is one of the reasons we went to war with Iraq in the first place. And in Iraq we tried to implement the same policy that was so successful in Saudi Arabia, but Saddam Hussein didn’t buy. When the economic hit men fail in this scenario, the next step is what we call the jackals. Jackals are C.I.A.-sanctioned people that come in and try to foment a coup or revolution. If that doesn’t work, they perform assassinations. or try to. In the case of Iraq, they weren’t able to get through to Saddam Hussein. He had—His bodyguards were too good. He had doubles. They couldn’t get through to him. So the third line of defense, if the economic hit men and the jackals fail, the next line of defense is our young men and women, who are sent in to die and kill, which is what we’ve obviously done in Iraq." From www.rense.com/general74/double.htm:* Saddam's Wife (of 25 years), angrily said the Prisoner was NOT Saddam, but one of his doubles * Saddam's Mistress said the Prisoner was NOT Saddam, but one of his doubles * Saddam had even, pristine teeth, the Saddam double's teeth were/are uneven and ragged EX-MISTRESS SAYS IT WAS A DOUBLE ABC News, March 21, 2003 - Excerpts only... Parisoula Lampsos, who says she was Saddam's mistress over a period of nearly 30 years, told U.S. officials and ABCNEWS that the man who appeared on TV was not Saddam. For starters, she said, the real Saddam has an unusual tattoo: two dots on his left hand that he received in prison years ago. But his eyes are the real giveaway, she said. Mrs Saddam says Saddam is not Saddam Joe Vialls | June 18 2004 Sajida Heiralla Tuffah, after the Russians demanded she be allowed to visit her imprisoned husband Saddam in Qatar: "Sajida arrived from Syria with her official escort Sheikh Hamad Al-Tani, and then entered the prison, emerging only moments later pink with rage and shouting, "This is not my husband but his double. Where is my husband? Take me to my husband". American officials rushed forward to shield Mrs Saddam from perplexed Russian observers, trying to insist that Saddam had changed a lot while in custody and she probably didn't recognise him. This was certainly not the best way to handle the Iraqi President's wife. "You think I do not know my husband?" Sajida shouted furiously, "I was married to the man for more than twenty-five years!" Then she stormed off, never to return." www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/061804saddamnotsaddam.htmReal Saddam   Faddam  from www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/saddam-pics.htm |
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Feb 24, 2009 3:02:29 GMT -5
From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_decoy:"Saddam Hussein/several unknowns" (1990s-2003) In 2003, German television network ZDF broadcast claimed that Iraq's former president Saddam Hussein was frequently replaced with doubles for TV appearances. This analysis was based on sophisticated measuring techniques, which detected discrepancies in the position of Hussein's facial features and blemishes from appearance to appearance. It was supported by the opinion of Jerrald Post, the man who created the CIA's Psychological Profile Unit.[22] It was also alleged that Austrian politician Jörg Haider had actually met a double when he thought he was meeting Hussein.[23] However, none of these claims has been verified and despite the invasion and the occupation (since 2003) of Iraq, there has been no confirmed sighting or capture of one of these alleged doubles, dead or alive. |
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Post by beatlies on Feb 24, 2009 8:17:56 GMT -5
From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_decoy:"Saddam Hussein/several unknowns" (1990s-2003) In 2003, German television network ZDF broadcast claimed that Iraq's former president Saddam Hussein was frequently replaced with doubles for TV appearances. This analysis was based on sophisticated measuring techniques, which detected discrepancies in the position of Hussein's facial features and blemishes from appearance to appearance. It was supported by the opinion of Jerrald Post, the man who created the CIA's Psychological Profile Unit.[22] It was also alleged that Austrian politician Jörg Haider had actually met a double when he thought he was meeting Hussein.[23] However, none of these claims has been verified and despite the invasion and the occupation (since 2003) of Iraq, there has been no confirmed sighting or capture of one of these alleged doubles, dead or alive. There was a 2003 report and interview with an Iraqi man who says he saw Saddam Hussein walking up into a US transport plane soon after the US invaded and occupied Baghdad in March 2003, in a friendly escort type of situation. |
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Feb 25, 2009 21:53:02 GMT -5
The World; Will the Real Saddam Hussein Please Step Down By TOM ZELLER Published: October 6, 2002 Correction Appended IN a rhetorical turn that conjured Clint Eastwood, Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary, suggested last week that the estimated cost of a war in Iraq -- tens of billions of dollars by most counts -- might be needlessly high. ''The cost of one bullet,'' Mr. Fleischer said, ''if the Iraqi people take it on themselves, is substantially less than that.'' The none-too-subtle implication, of course, was that any ambitious fortune hunter with a firearm and a clear shot of Iraqi president Saddam Hussein should recognize the opportunity and take aim. Mr. Fleischer subsequently backpedaled, but sympathetic marksmen in Iraq could have told him that even a point-blank opportunity might prove fruitless. Shoot Saddam Hussein? Fine. But which one? It's a question that even American troops might face. Intelligence officials have long suspected that the Iraqi president makes ample use of body-doubles -- an idea reinforced two weeks ago when a German television news program asked a forensic pathologist to examine hundreds of archived photographs and video stills of the Iraqi leader. The pathologist, Dr. Dieter Buhmann of Homberg University in Saarland, determined that there are at least three Saddam Hussein lookalikes in rotation, making public appearances, firing rifles, smoking cigars, waving and strutting. (The doubles rarely speak, it was suggested, because Mr. Hussein has an inimitable lisp.) Iraqi dissidents have told stories of impostor Husseins in the past -- of recruitment schemes and plastic surgery, of training in mannerisms, strides and tics. The differences can seem remarkably subtle. In some instances, Dr. Buhmann suggested, the face of the doppelgänger was just a hair too wide. In others, the area under the mouth was just a bit too small and too low. Which makes it all the more unlikely that the Bush administration would accept Iraqi Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan's suggestion -- apparently made in response to Mr. Fleischer's tough talk -- that the two presidents simply take it all outside and settle things mano-a-mano in a duel (with United Nations oversight, of course). How could anyone be sure that the man behind the mustache was really Mr. Hussein? ''One of the main reasons for using a double is to avoid being shot,'' said Dino A. Brugioni, a former officer with the Central Intelligence Agency's National Photographic Interpretation Center and the author of the book ''Photo Fakery'' (Brassey's, 1999). Indeed, the pop-culture fascination with cloak-and-dagger devices like doubles, disguises and decoys tends to give Mr. Hussein's use of lookalikes a sort of buffoonish quality. But this is serious business, with a long history. And it would be naÛve, some intelligence officials have suggested, to think that everyone isn't playing the game. ''The truth must have a bodyguard of lies,'' said Antonio Mendez, a former chief of disguise for the C.I.A. and a co-author of the book ''Spy Dust'' (Atria Books, 2002). He was paraphrasing the famous words of Winston Churchill, who was known to have made use of a double himself. So too did George Washington and Franklin D. Roosevelt. Most world leaders, in fact -- and the intelligence apparata surrounding them -- consider doubles and decoys a part of their bag of tricks. ''It's definitely a play that one wants to have in their arsenal,'' Mr. Mendez said. ''It's the sort of thing that comes to mind immediately when you think about the good guys and the bad guys. The idea of bilocation -- of being able to be in two places at once -- is key to some situations of security,'' he said. ''Everyone uses it.'' J UST what lengths a government like Iraq might go to is only a matter of resources. Finding lookalikes willing to serve a higher calling isn't difficult, Mr. Mendez said, particularly when patriotic passions are inflamed. Makeup artists are deft at making temporary changes. And turning to plastic surgery for more permanent alterations is common in every corner of international intrigue. Iraq is not likely to be an exception. query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F07E3DE123BF935A35753C1A9649C8B63Which would make expediting so-called regime change in Iraq with an assassin's bullet -- whatever the savings, both in lives and cash -- a bit more daunting. ''It's a matter of playing a little bit of roulette,'' Mr. Mendez said. ''It goes with the turf.'' query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F07E3DE123BF935A35753C1A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2 |
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Jun 18, 2009 20:15:00 GMT -5
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Jul 11, 2009 22:13:38 GMT -5
From CIA: Man On Tape Is Saddam: "... A German forensic pathologist studied hundreds of Hussein photos and videotapes, concentrating on his mustache and eyebrow measurements. Then he used computer software to locate specific points such as the tip of his nose and the cheekbone creating a face print which was compared to the Hussein photographs. His conclusion: that there are three Hussein impersonators, all with small, distinct differences." www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/20/eveningnews/main544812.shtml |
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Jul 13, 2009 23:31:25 GMT -5
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Aug 4, 2009 0:44:45 GMT -5
Saddam's 'Double' Trouble Opposition Leader Claims Hussein Died Of Cancer In 1999 World Net Daily 3-26-03 The Bush administration has concluded the U.S.-led "decapitation" attack failed to take out Saddam Hussein, but an Iraqi opposition leader claims a higher authority already got the job done. Moslem al-Asadi, a doctor living in exile in Iran, said he believes the real Saddam died in 1999 from cancer. "The real Saddam died because he had cancer of the lymph nodes, and since his death in 1999 they're just showing his doubles" he told the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera. In a plot reminiscent of the Hollywood tale of a body double subbing for an incapacitated American president titled "Dave," al-Asadi claims Saddam's sons, his first wife and Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz run a scheme to keep the truth under wraps using three doubles. Al-Asadi alleges Saddam's younger son, Qusay, actually holds presidential authority. The absence of live messages by the Iraqi leader since coalition airstrikes crushed the residential compound, in which he was believed to be with his sons, has fueled speculation of his demise. Hours after the initial attack, Saddam appeared on state-run television, wearing a beret and his reading glasses, and read from a prepared text urging Iraqis to resist the invaders and draw their swords. "The criminal little Bush has committed a crime against humanity," Hussein said. "Let the arrogance be debased. Long live Iraq, long live jihad, long live Palestine." Days later, Iraqi state television showed footage of him chairing meetings with top officials. But U.S. and British intelligence suspected the footage was prerecorded prior to the attacks. As WorldNetDaily reported, British intelligence in Cheltenham intercepted an urgent call Saturday suggesting that Saddam is still alive in a secret hideaway in Baghdad but required medical intervention the Iraqis could not provide. "They said he was not critically injured but demanded urgent treatment because he had lost blood and could get worse. This regime wouldn't go to that trouble for anybody else - including members of his family," an official told the British daily The Sun. Yesterday, Saddam again appeared on Iraqi television giving a speech and meeting with Qusay. He referred to his "brave and heroic people" and referenced commanders and their locations, including the port of Umm Qasr, taken by coalition forces amid stiff Iraqi resistance. Despite the reference to Umm Qasr, British intelligence thought the broadcast may have been prerecorded. "We are well aware that he spent many hours recently tape-recording various messages. We have to do a little more analysis of what he was actually saying to see whether or not that in fact was Saddam Hussein," British Defense Minister Geoff Hoon told reporters. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer echoed the suspicion. "I think there are some doubts about whether that tape is canned or whether it's fresh and based on recent events. It would not be a surprise if Saddam Hussein had some time ago put in the can numerous statements designed to be released later," he said. But the Washington Post reported that because Hussein seemed assured and so much his old self, dressed in a military uniform, the CIA decided it didn't have to analyze the voice to confirm his identity, and senior Bush administration officials believe the message was taped after Thursday's attack. "The voice is easy to simulate and doubles constantly study video and audio records," argued al-Asadi. The exile maintains the footage purported to be Saddam Hussein provides the evidence to support his claim that look-alikes are all that remains of the dictator. Specifically, he asserts Saddam had big, oval ears but one of the doubles' ears do not match Saddam's, which had a special bend. Al-Asadi also said Saddam has an overbite, but one of the doubles doesn't have such a defect. While Saddam has wide and strong shoulders, those of two doubles are narrow and almost sloping. Saddam had big hands, said al-Asadi, while one of doubles has small hands. Lastly, a second long finger of one of the doubles doesn't match that of the real thing. Corriere della Sera reports the testimony of former doubles corroborates al-Asadi's thesis. Longtime bodyguard Saddam Michael Ramadan in 1979 wrote in the book "In Saddam's shadow" that the Iraqi leader was so ill he was dependent on pain killers, according to the newspaper. Ramadan is reportedly now under the protection of the CIA. The paper quotes another former bodyguard, who fled Iraq for Israel two months ago as declaring, "Saddam whom you now see, was photographed some years ago." www.rense.com/general46/doub.htm |
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Sept 12, 2009 1:29:10 GMT -5
At about 6, Greg Hallet talks about how Saddam's doppelgaenger was mock-hanged:
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Oct 7, 2009 2:02:34 GMT -5
Discusses how Saddam was part of the play to bring about NWO
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Post by fauxster on Dec 8, 2009 2:20:59 GMT -5
Does this mean the *real* Saddam is still out there? www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/6687756/Mysterious-Saddam-Hussein-channel-hits-Iraq-TV.htmlMysterious Saddam Hussein channel hits Iraq TV Saddam Hussein is the star of a mysterious channel on satellite TV in Iraq that began broadcasting on the Islamic calendar's anniversary of his 2006 execution. Published: 12:45AM GMT 30 Nov 2009 The channel, which is broadcast across the Arab world, dredges up the sectarian divisions that Saddam inspired among Shias and Sunnis at a time when Iraq is gearing up for crucial national elections Photo: AP The origins and backers of the so-called Saddam Channel remain unclear. The Iraqi government said it suspected that Baathists, whose political party Saddam once led, were behind the broadcasts. But Mohammed Jarboua, who claimed to be chairman of the new venture, told the Associated Press that there was no Baathist link, and that the channel was for Iraqis and other Arabs who supported the late dictator. The channel, which is broadcast across the Arab world, dredges up the sectarian divisions that Saddam inspired among Shias and Sunnis at a time when Iraq is gearing up for crucial national elections. Iraqi politicians have been arguing over parliamentary seat distribution in a dispute that has inflamed the splits. The wrangling will likely delay the vote beyond its constitutionally required Jan 30 deadline. Saddam's hanging three years ago was on the first day of Eid al-Adha, the most important holiday of the Islamic calendar. His execution - and the day it was done - remains a sore point for Saddam sympathisers still smarting over images of the defiant leader in his final moments as Shias in the death chamber shouted curses. The Saddam Channel debuted on Friday, the first day of this year's Eid for Sunnis. The holiday started Saturday for Shias. The station's official name alternates between "Al-Lafeta" ("the banner") and "Al-Arabi" ("the Arab"). It is mostly a montage of flattering, still images of Saddam - some of him dressed in military uniform, others in a suit, even one astride a white horse. One image shows his sons Odai and Qusai smiling with their father, and another their bodies after they and Saddam's grandson, Mustafa, were killed in a July 2003 gunfight with US troops. One prominently displayed image is that of a man burning an American flag. Another shows graves covered with Iraqi flags. All the pictures are set against audio recordings of Saddam making speeches and reciting poetry. Patriotic songs urge listeners to "liberate our country". A media adviser to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shia, dismissed the station and its message, and refused to comment on whether the government will seek to shut down the channel. |
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Post by fauxster on Feb 7, 2010 0:07:01 GMT -5
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Post by fauxster on Mar 12, 2010 17:25:38 GMT -5
english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/366/12494_saddam.htmlSaddam's wife could not recognize her husband Front page / World 13.04.2004 Source: Pages: Last week, American authorities arranged a meeting of the former Iraqi dictator with his wife. She was the first of Hussein’s relatives to meet with the ex-leader of Iraq at a new place, at the American military base in Qatar. Accompanied by Sheikh Hamad Al-Tani, Sajida Heiralla Tuffah has arrived from Syria on his private jet in the end of March. BREAKING NEWS Europe in the middle of political and social crisis Red Carpet of the Oscars 2010 More... The outcome of their meeting turned out to be quite scandalous. Sajina claims that the person she encountered was not her husband, but his double. If someone were to say for sure that it was not insinuation, it would have been easy to believe the wife with a 25-year experience. It is also possible to assume that Saddam has simply changed since the day of his sons' deaths, June 24 2003. This however is highly unlikely. In case we believe Hussein’s wife, all DNA testing of the ex-Iraqi leader should be considered a mere fake. Overall, today there remain more questions then there are answers. On the other hand however, those statements of Hussein's wife can in fact be quite understandable. After all, this is the easiest way to demoralize an enemy. Hussein's younger daughter Hala has also arrived at the base in Qatar along with Saddam Hussein's two grandsons and two sisters, total of eight people. They were all invited by Shekh’s wife Muza to stay in one of the palaces. Eldest daughters Ragad and Rada along with five Hussein’s grandchildren have recently arrived to Doha from Jordan. “Elaf” newspaper writes that, most likely, the entire Hussein's family will stay in Qatar permanently. Saddam Hussein was captured by the American forces in December 2003 and held in one of the palaces in Baghdad in a region controlled by the coalition forces. Afterward, due to security reasons, he was transferred to the American military base in Qatar, where he is expected to remain until the trial. Maxim Pogodin
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